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On Tuesday 26 November 2002 11:51 pm, Robert Dege wrote:
> Back when M$ was trying to sell their own DVR (UltimateTV I believe?),
> one of their biggest selling points was the capability of recording
> 2 different channels at the same time.
>
> Now I know that Isaac has pics of picture in picture functionality, which
> I assume came from 2 tuner cards. But what about being able to record 2
> channels at the same time? I know this would really put a monkey wrench
> in the "conflicting recordings" section, but would this be a viable
> extension of functionality?

It already does this. It automatically bumps programs around as much as it
can to different tuner cards to resolve any conflicts, and then the rest of
the UIs work as normally.

> Also, what about recording one channel while taping another channel?
> Or can that be done with a single tuner card?

Recording one while taping another? Mean, watching another? Needs two tuner
cards, and again, it already does this. =)

> What about DVD capabilities? Any thoughts pro/con about integrating the
> feature in the future?

I don't need any DVD capabilities right now, so someone else will have to do
things.. Although, just adding a simple button to the menu that plays a DVD
with another player if its in the drive is easy, and such mods have been
posted to the list before. I'd want it to do some rudimentary disc type
detection before I'd accept anything into the distribution, though.

Isaac

>
> I don't need any DVD capabilities right now, so someone else will have
> to do things.. Although, just adding a simple button to the menu that
> plays a DVD with another player if its in the drive is easy, and such
> mods have been posted to the list before. I'd want it to do some
> rudimentary disc type detection before I'd accept anything into the
> distribution, though.
>
Damn! I was hoping that DVD functionality was gonna get in there! :( I
was hoping to get rid of my old DVD player...and being able to "live
record" DVDs would be great ;)

> It already does this. It automatically bumps programs around as much as it
> can to different tuner cards to resolve any conflicts, and then the rest of
> the UIs work as normally.

Very nice. This is something that I plan on working on when the new
hardware arrives. In the meantime, lemme ask how you handled this:
MythTV is currently recording 2 shows on both tuner cards. I sit down &
select to watch TV. Would an error message appear saying that 2
recordings are currently running? Would it give me an option to cancel
1 of the recordings, or do a live TV watch of one of the current
recordings?

> Recording one while taping another? Mean, watching another? Needs two tuner
> cards, and again, it already does this. =)

ugh.... I was tired when I wrote that... and I proof-read it twice before
sending it out. I swear it made sense in my head :)

> I don't need any DVD capabilities right now, so someone else will have to do
> things.. Although, just adding a simple button to the menu that plays a DVD
> with another player if its in the drive is easy, and such mods have been
> posted to the list before. I'd want it to do some rudimentary disc type
> detection before I'd accept anything into the distribution, though.

I could see using a program like Mplayer, or Ogle. I'll look into &
search the archives for any info post previously. What type of DVD
detection were you talking about? regional media, UDF, DivX media, etc?


-Rob

So Many Things in Life Would Be Really Funny
.... If They Weren't Happening To Me

On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 09:27:27PM -0800, Jeremy Oddo wrote:

> Damn! I was hoping that DVD functionality was gonna get in there! :( I
> was hoping to get rid of my old DVD player...and being able to "live
> record" DVDs would be great ;)

What would be the benefit in "live recording" a DVD? It's already recorded.

--
- mdz

On Wednesday 27 November 2002 08:57 am, Robert Dege wrote:
> > It already does this. It automatically bumps programs around as much as
> > it can to different tuner cards to resolve any conflicts, and then the
> > rest of the UIs work as normally.
>
> Very nice. This is something that I plan on working on when the new
> hardware arrives. In the meantime, lemme ask how you handled this:
> MythTV is currently recording 2 shows on both tuner cards. I sit down &
> select to watch TV. Would an error message appear saying that 2
> recordings are currently running? Would it give me an option to cancel
> 1 of the recordings, or do a live TV watch of one of the current
> recordings?

Not sure what it does, really. Not something I really worked on, but it
should be getting addressed in the next feature I'm doing..

> > I don't need any DVD capabilities right now, so someone else will have to
> > do things.. Although, just adding a simple button to the menu that plays
> > a DVD with another player if its in the drive is easy, and such mods have
> > been posted to the list before. I'd want it to do some rudimentary disc
> > type detection before I'd accept anything into the distribution, though.
>
> I could see using a program like Mplayer, or Ogle. I'll look into &
> search the archives for any info post previously. What type of DVD
> detection were you talking about? regional media, UDF, DivX media, etc?

More like, all the players (that I've seen, at least) require a different
command line option to play a VCD than they do to play a DVD. Ability to
play a regular audio CD (call mythmusic and have it start playing the disc,
or something), etc

Isaac

> More like, all the players (that I've seen, at least) require a different
> command line option to play a VCD than they do to play a DVD. Ability to
> play a regular audio CD (call mythmusic and have it start playing the disc,
> or something), etc

Ahhh, so you're assuming a DVD/CD Combo drive then? I was still
visualizing two separate drives. I guess as the DVD/CD(RW) Drives become
more popular, this will become an issue.

Slickdeals is showing a DVD-R drive for sale @ OfficeMax for $20 after
MIR. I plan on picking one up this weekend. It'll give me something to
hack with.

-Rob

So Many Things in Life Would Be Really Funny
.... If They Weren't Happening To Me

> On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 09:27:27PM -0800, Jeremy Oddo wrote:
>
>> Damn! I was hoping that DVD functionality was gonna get in there! :(
>> I was hoping to get rid of my old DVD player...and being able to "live
>> record" DVDs would be great ;)
>
> What would be the benefit in "live recording" a DVD? It's already
> recorded.
>
I'm a big fan of moving digital data around ;) But you could capture the
DVD at a lower quality (akin to how people rip CD audio to MP3) and even
burn SVCD/VCDs. Or you could capture a funny part of a movie and send it
to someone.

But remember, this is a "convergence box". Isn't DVD just a popular as
the other components? I personally think that a convergence box would be
able to (1) watch/record TV, (2) play music, (3) play movies, and (4) play
video games. Those seem to be the most popular "entertainment center"
components anyway.

And it would be GREAT to side-step that crappy Macrovision protection.
It's used to fight piracy, but it hurts EVERYONE. Let's say I have only
one IN on my TV, but I have cable, a playstation2, a VCR, and a DVD
player. I can run everything thru the VCR (yeah, quality is compromised,
but...). Well, everything EXCEPT the DVD player because of the stupid
Macrovision. Grrrr. I'd love to get away from the "consumer DVD player
model" and integrate it all into, well, one "convergence box" :)


Jeremy

On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Isaac Richards wrote:

> On Wednesday 27 November 2002 08:57 am, Robert Dege wrote:
> > > It already does this. It automatically bumps programs around as much as
> > > it can to different tuner cards to resolve any conflicts, and then the
> > > rest of the UIs work as normally.
> >
> > Very nice. This is something that I plan on working on when the new
> > hardware arrives. In the meantime, lemme ask how you handled this:
> > MythTV is currently recording 2 shows on both tuner cards. I sit down &
> > select to watch TV. Would an error message appear saying that 2
> > recordings are currently running? Would it give me an option to cancel
> > 1 of the recordings, or do a live TV watch of one of the current
> > recordings?
>
> Not sure what it does, really. Not something I really worked on, but it
> should be getting addressed in the next feature I'm doing..
>
> > > I don't need any DVD capabilities right now, so someone else will have to
> > > do things.. Although, just adding a simple button to the menu that plays
> > > a DVD with another player if its in the drive is easy, and such mods have
> > > been posted to the list before. I'd want it to do some rudimentary disc
> > > type detection before I'd accept anything into the distribution, though.
> >
> > I could see using a program like Mplayer, or Ogle. I'll look into &
> > search the archives for any info post previously. What type of DVD
> > detection were you talking about? regional media, UDF, DivX media, etc?
>
> More like, all the players (that I've seen, at least) require a different
> command line option to play a VCD than they do to play a DVD. Ability to
> play a regular audio CD (call mythmusic and have it start playing the disc,
> or something), etc

You could check out "Freevo" since they have DVD dection code already.
Since it's GPL you could probably use it if it isn't too hacked together.

http://freevo.sourceforge.net/

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On Wednesday 27 November 2002 01:37 pm, Christoph Neumann wrote:
> You could check out "Freevo" since they have DVD dection code already.
> Since it's GPL you could probably use it if it isn't too hacked together.

Heh -- it's extremely easy to do. Mount the disc, check for a few files to
determine what kind of disc it is, unmount it.

Isaac

On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 10:25:56AM -0800, Jeremy Oddo wrote:

(hmm, squirrelmail doesn't add attributions to quoted text...bug filed)

> > On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 09:27:27PM -0800, Jeremy Oddo wrote:
> >
> >> Damn! I was hoping that DVD functionality was gonna get in there! :(
> >> I was hoping to get rid of my old DVD player...and being able to "live
> >> record" DVDs would be great ;)
> >
> > What would be the benefit in "live recording" a DVD? It's already
> > recorded.
> >
> I'm a big fan of moving digital data around ;) But you could capture the
> DVD at a lower quality (akin to how people rip CD audio to MP3) and even
> burn SVCD/VCDs. Or you could capture a funny part of a movie and send it
> to someone.

Sure, but there's no "live" component to this kind of activity. You can do
these things with a DVD at your leisure.

--
- mdz

> On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 10:25:56AM -0800, Jeremy Oddo wrote:
>
> (hmm, squirrelmail doesn't add attributions to quoted text...bug filed)
>
>> > On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 09:27:27PM -0800, Jeremy Oddo wrote:
>> >
>> >> Damn! I was hoping that DVD functionality was gonna get in there!
>> :( I was hoping to get rid of my old DVD player...and being able to
>> "live record" DVDs would be great ;)
>> >
>> > What would be the benefit in "live recording" a DVD? It's already
>> recorded.
>> >
>> I'm a big fan of moving digital data around ;) But you could capture
>> the DVD at a lower quality (akin to how people rip CD audio to MP3)
>> and even burn SVCD/VCDs. Or you could capture a funny part of a movie
>> and send it to someone.
>
> Sure, but there's no "live" component to this kind of activity. You can
> do these things with a DVD at your leisure.
>
Yeah, you're right. I suppose the "live" part is a little silly. But I
think my other points are valid (the part of the e-mail you snipped out!).
I think a convergence box isn't fully realized without DVD integration
(IMO).

It wasn't mentioned, but if you had a DVD-R drive in your machine, it would
be nice to be able to record to DVD. I'm no coder by any stretch of the
mind, but this would be an awesome addition to Mythtv.

Any takers?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Oddo [mailto:joddo@apixels.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 2:44 PM
To: mythtv-dev@snowman.net
Subject: Re: [mythtv] DVD Functionality (was: Clarification)


> On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 10:25:56AM -0800, Jeremy Oddo wrote:
>
> (hmm, squirrelmail doesn't add attributions to quoted text...bug
> filed)
>
>> > On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 09:27:27PM -0800, Jeremy Oddo wrote:
>> >
>> >> Damn! I was hoping that DVD functionality was gonna get in there!
>> :( I was hoping to get rid of my old DVD player...and being able to
>> "live record" DVDs would be great ;)
>> >
>> > What would be the benefit in "live recording" a DVD? It's already
>> recorded.
>> >
>> I'm a big fan of moving digital data around ;) But you could capture
>> the DVD at a lower quality (akin to how people rip CD audio to MP3)
>> and even burn SVCD/VCDs. Or you could capture a funny part of a
>> movie and send it to someone.
>
> Sure, but there's no "live" component to this kind of activity. You
> can do these things with a DVD at your leisure.
>
Yeah, you're right. I suppose the "live" part is a little silly. But I
think my other points are valid (the part of the e-mail you snipped out!).
I think a convergence box isn't fully realized without DVD integration
(IMO).


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