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> calling all artists and mod_perl revolutionaries...
>
> my company, LaserLink.Net has agreed to provide t-shirts for the mod_perl
> BOF session at ApacheCon...
>
> however, we are in need of designs... if anyone out there has any snappy
> ideas that can be presented asap, that would be great (no copyright
> infringements, please :)

The logo from http://www.vagabondage.com/~jim/modperl/ looks good! And
it's a different kind of Eagle so you don't need a permission from
O'Reilly. Am I right?

> also, should your company desire to sponsor other mod_perl related
> sessions in similar ways, the sourcegarden.org session is also in need
> of sponsorship - your contributions are welcome.

Yup, folks run to your management and say that we are going to make a big
mod_perl orgy^H^H^H^Hparty so having your company's logo on it is a great
thing! So bring T-Shirts and other geek stuff!

We are short of time, but we could think of running some mod_perl contest
with big prizes...

I was thinking about making live mod_perl installation, as we do here at
ILUG to install linux for 5 years. What do you think?

> basically, everything is welcome, comments, ideas, whatever...

Yeah, folks. Please send your ideas. Thanks!!!

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Perl,CGI,Apache,Linux,Web,Java,PC http://www.stason.org/stas/TULARC
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--- Stas Bekman wrote:
The logo from http://www.vagabondage.com/~jim/modperl/ looks good! And
it's a different kind of Eagle so you don't need a permission from
O'Reilly. Am I right?
--- end of quote ---

That's the same eagle on my copy of the Apache Modules book. Besides, I think O'Reilly stakes claim to any association between their book's chosen animal and the program/technology in question. I don't think that's right, but I've heard it before.

Otherwise, I'd suggest doing a peacock/camel chimera with Apache feathers and a Camel's head, ala the NBC logo.

-Bill

> --- Stas Bekman wrote:
> The logo from http://www.vagabondage.com/~jim/modperl/ looks good! And
> it's a different kind of Eagle so you don't need a permission from
> O'Reilly. Am I right?
> --- end of quote ---
>
> That's the same eagle on my copy of the Apache Modules book. Besides, I
> think O'Reilly stakes claim to any association between their book's
> chosen animal and the program/technology in question. I don't think
> that's right, but I've heard it before.

Ouch, I'm starting to have a bad sighting memory. May be that's because of
a coloured feather in the eagle's tail :)

But I doubt we'll have any problem with ORA if these T-Shirts are for
give-away. Or have we? Is there any copyright lawyear here to waive the
doubts away?

> Otherwise, I'd suggest doing a peacock/camel chimera with Apache
> feathers and a Camel's head, ala the NBC logo.

Sounds cool too!


_______________________________________________________________________
Stas Bekman mailto:sbekman@iname.com http://www.stason.org/stas
Perl,CGI,Apache,Linux,Web,Java,PC http://www.stason.org/stas/TULARC
perl.apache.org modperl.sourcegarden.org perlmonth.com perl.org
single o-> + single o-+ = singlesheaven http://www.singlesheaven.com

On Fri, Feb 25, 2000 at 04:25:59PM +0200, Stas Bekman wrote:
> The logo from http://www.vagabondage.com/~jim/modperl/ looks good! And
> it's a different kind of Eagle so you don't need a permission from
> O'Reilly. Am I right?

U.S. Trademark law is a bit odd. O'Reilly holds trademarks for any use of
the camel in association with perl. And, I'd wager, the eagle in
association with modperl, and the trantula in association with sendmail,
etc.

The bad part about US trademark law is this. A trademark holder is
required to VIGOROUSLY defend their trademark. Essentially, if they know
of a use of their trademark and do nothing, it can be (And in other
instances HAS BEEN) proven that the trademark has been abandoned. A
company like O'Reilly has no choice but to assert it's trademark in all
cases. (I'm no lawyer, but that's how I've always understood the law)

Now, there MAY be a way around this. Since O'Reilly is an apachecon
sponsor and this IS an apachecon event, there may be a way for O'Reilly to
sanction the shirts as part of it's sponsorship. Just an idea.

As for the other suggestion of the camel/peacock/chimera, I'd wager the
camel portion of that would violate ORA's trademark.

This conversation comes up quite often, but there's a real need for a
mascot that is, well, open source. BSD has the devil, Linux has the
penguin. The problem with a product named Apache is that the obvious
mascot, A native american warrior or chief, angers Native american
activist groups. The Apache/Jserv website at java.apache.org had a
fantastic logo of a cartoon Chief sitting at a campfire drinking coffee.
Apparently this angered some people and it was pulled.

The Linux community gets alot of mileage out of the penguin, which only
has ties to the software in the fact that Linus Torvalds was bitten by a
penguin at a zoo.

Apache, and/or modperl, need a mascot that can be leveraged as a rallying
point.

Maybe this belongs in the advocacy list...

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> The bad part about US trademark law is this. A trademark holder is
> required to VIGOROUSLY defend their trademark. Essentially, if they know
> of a use of their trademark and do nothing, it can be (And in other
> instances HAS BEEN) proven that the trademark has been abandoned. A
> company like O'Reilly has no choice but to assert it's trademark in all
> cases. (I'm no lawyer, but that's how I've always understood the law)
>
> Now, there MAY be a way around this. Since O'Reilly is an apachecon
> sponsor and this IS an apachecon event, there may be a way for O'Reilly to
> sanction the shirts as part of it's sponsorship. Just an idea.

>
> The Linux community gets alot of mileage out of the penguin, which only
> has ties to the software in the fact that Linus Torvalds was bitten by a
> penguin at a zoo.
>
> Apache, and/or modperl, need a mascot that can be leveraged as a rallying
> point.
>
> Maybe this belongs in the advocacy list...
>

Probably - but has anyone asked ORA?

- FCCJ * 501 W State St * Jacksonville, Fl 32202 * 904/632-3089 -

> From: Chris Thompson <ct@hemisphere.org>
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:22:21 -0500
> Subject: Re: [ApacheCon]: T-Shirt design
> To: "'modperl@apache.org'" <modperl@apache.org>
>
> This conversation comes up quite often, but there's a real need for a
> mascot that is, well, open source. BSD has the devil, Linux has the
> penguin. The problem with a product named Apache is that the obvious
> mascot, A native american warrior or chief, angers Native american

I would think a better "obvious choice" would be something with a lot of "patches" on
it, like a suit or something. That is where the name came from, not the Native
North-American connotation. :)



David McCabe Unix SysAdmin/Peon
Le Groupe Videotron dmccabe@videotron.net (514) 380 4433

If the Flinstones taught us anything,
It's that pelicans can be used to mix cement!
Homer Simpson

Hi there,

On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Chris Thompson wrote:

> and the trantula in association with sendmail

Er, I think you'll find that's a flying fox (a kind of fruit bat).

> This conversation comes up quite often

s/mod_perl/advocacy/g;

73,
Ged.

On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, G.W. Haywood wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Chris Thompson wrote:
>
> > and the trantula in association with sendmail
>
> Er, I think you'll find that's a flying fox (a kind of fruit bat).
>
> > This conversation comes up quite often
>
> s/mod_perl/advocacy/g;

The advocacy list is not operating :(

_______________________________________________________________________
Stas Bekman mailto:sbekman@iname.com http://www.stason.org/stas
Perl,CGI,Apache,Linux,Web,Java,PC http://www.stason.org/stas/TULARC
perl.apache.org modperl.sourcegarden.org perlmonth.com perl.org
single o-> + single o-+ = singlesheaven http://www.singlesheaven.com

on 2/25/00 2:30 PM, Geoffrey Young at gyoung@laserlink.net wrote:

> what's that red dot in pananma?
>
> :)


Blood! From the revolution :] Viva La Mod_Perl! -Sneex- :]

(I promise no Orlandoians were hurt during this demonstration ;)

- FCCJ * 501 W State St * Jacksonville, Fl 32202 * 904/632-3089 -

just fyi, I think the apache feather is off limits without a considerable
amount of effort... (see below)

not to be difficult :)

--Geoff

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:jim@jaguNET.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 7:23 PM
> To: gyoung@laserlink.net
> Subject: Re: ApacheCon
>
>
> Geoff,
>
> Yes, the Apache logo and feather are copywrite to the ASF. You
> cannot use those without the express written permission of
> the ASF.
>
> We may be able to provide other variants for your use. Please
> send Email to 'planners@apachecon.com' detailing your need and
> use of the logo (or a logo) and we'll vote on it.
>
> Geoffrey Young wrote:
> >
> > hi there...
> >
> > I'm not sure if you remember me, but we have Tim XXXX in
> common and had a
> > server co-lo discussion (many) months ago
> >
> >
> > anyway, I am going to be attending ApacheCon and my company
> wants to provide
> > t-shirts for folks attending the mod_perl BOF.
> >
> > the design submitted by someone on the list is attached.
> My company is
> > asking if the Apache logo, color scheme, feather, etc...
> are copyrighted in
> > such a way that we can't put it on a shirt to give away to
> attendees...
> >
> > anyway, I thought you might know - I checked apache.org and
> didn't see
> > anything...
> >
> > thanks for your help...
> >
> > --Geoff


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Jones [mailto:bill@fccj.org]
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 9:00 AM
> To: 'modperl@apache.org'
> Subject: Re: [ApacheCon]: T-Shirt design
>
>
> on 2/25/00 2:42 PM, Bill Jones at bill@fccj.org wrote:
>
> > on 2/25/00 2:29 PM, Bill Jones at bill@fccj.org wrote:
> >
> > Rough Draft - Final. I have to go, but you guys kick it around and
> > I'll get back with you in the AM.
> >
> > Enjoy! -Sneex- :]
> >
> > PS - A JPEG and a Transparent GIF are included, sorry for size.
> >
> > - FCCJ * 501 W State St * Jacksonville, Fl 32202 * 904/632-3089 -
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Well, are we going with this one? -Sneex- :]
> - FCCJ * 501 W State St * Jacksonville, Fl 32202 * 904/632-3089 -
>
>
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