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On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 21:06 -0500, Stas Bekman wrote:
> I'm not sure if it's me who have upgraded to the latest mozilla or did
> something change at http://perl.apache.org, as it now looks really bad:
> http://apache.org/~stas/snap.png

Looks the same as it always has to me. I use Firefox.

- Perrin


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Perrin Harkins wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 21:06 -0500, Stas Bekman wrote:
>
>>I'm not sure if it's me who have upgraded to the latest mozilla or did
>>something change at http://perl.apache.org, as it now looks really bad:
>>http://apache.org/~stas/snap.png
>
>
> Looks the same as it always has to me. I use Firefox.

You mean like in my snapshot? Or just fine?

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Stas Bekman wrote:

> Perrin Harkins wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 21:06 -0500, Stas Bekman wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure if it's me who have upgraded to the latest mozilla or
>>> did something change at http://perl.apache.org, as it now looks
>>> really bad:
>>> http://apache.org/~stas/snap.png
>>
>>
>>
>> Looks the same as it always has to me. I use Firefox.
>
>
> You mean like in my snapshot? Or just fine?
>
I have Firefox 1.01 on Win2k. Just looked at your snapshot, as well as
the web page in your snapshot. Your snapshot is messed up. The web
page looks fine in my browser, though.

Don't have Mozilla installed, or I'd test it for you.

-ofer

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On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 23:59 -0500, Stas Bekman wrote:
> You mean like in my snapshot? Or just fine?

Your snapshot has a slightly larger gap between the top of the curve on
the left and the top blue bars, but otherwise it looks the same. This
is on Linux. I opened Konqueror, and the bars do seem to be aligned
with the curve there, but otherwise all is about the same. Sorry, I'm
not sure what it was supposed to look like. I don't remember it looking
different in the past.

- Perrin


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it looks incorrect in the snapshot stas sent.

this is an old issue/problem mainly caused by me. way back i "rejected" to
use transparent gif-images as spacers, so created a hack with the <br> tag
using classes to get the same vertical effect. have a look at

http://perl.apache.org/STATUS

i think it is only a problem on linux. i use quite a lot of browsers on
win32/mac os x and can't recall to have seen this problem ever on those
platforms.

probably the best solution is the pathetic solution [considering we are now
in year 2005], namely to use a spacer.gif image.

alternatively, someone with both time and linux in their hands could try and
hack the stylesheet

i don't have the time right now, but could probably find some around easter.

/allan






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> Fra: Perrin Harkins [mailto:perrin@elem.com]
> Sendt: 17. marts 2005 06:22
> Til: Stas Bekman
> Cc: mod_perl docs-dev; Allan Juul
> Emne: Re: is something wrong with the perl.apache.org styles?
>
>
> On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 23:59 -0500, Stas Bekman wrote:
> > You mean like in my snapshot? Or just fine?
>
> Your snapshot has a slightly larger gap between the top of
> the curve on
> the left and the top blue bars, but otherwise it looks the same. This
> is on Linux. I opened Konqueror, and the bars do seem to be aligned
> with the curve there, but otherwise all is about the same. Sorry, I'm
> not sure what it was supposed to look like. I don't remember
> it looking
> different in the past.
>
> - Perrin
>


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On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 12:22:21AM -0500, Perrin Harkins wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 23:59 -0500, Stas Bekman wrote:
> > You mean like in my snapshot? Or just fine?
>
> Your snapshot has a slightly larger gap between the top of the curve on
> the left and the top blue bars, but otherwise it looks the same. This
> is on Linux. I opened Konqueror, and the bars do seem to be aligned
> with the curve there, but otherwise all is about the same. Sorry, I'm
> not sure what it was supposed to look like. I don't remember it looking
> different in the past.

It's firefox. I'll attach two screen shots.

One odd thing, is my fonts are much smaller than in your screen shot.
Some web pages show that way for me -- I assume it's my setup, but
nothing looks odd. Fonts are somewhat of a mystery to me under
Linux, though.

moseley@laptop:~$ fgrep font .mozilla/default/i0ur71er.slt/prefs.js
user_pref("font.default", "sans-serif");
user_pref("font.minimum-size.x-western", 0);
user_pref("font.name.cursive.x-western", "serif");
user_pref("font.name.fantasy.x-western", "serif");
user_pref("font.name.monospace.x-western", "monospace");
user_pref("font.name.sans-serif.x-western", "sans-serif");
user_pref("font.name.serif.x-western", "serif");
user_pref("font.size.variable.x-western", 12);

And I don't see anything in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf or /etc/fonts/local.conf




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Bill Moseley wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 12:22:21AM -0500, Perrin Harkins wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 23:59 -0500, Stas Bekman wrote:
>>
>>>You mean like in my snapshot? Or just fine?
>>
>>Your snapshot has a slightly larger gap between the top of the curve on
>>the left and the top blue bars, but otherwise it looks the same. This
>>is on Linux. I opened Konqueror, and the bars do seem to be aligned
>>with the curve there, but otherwise all is about the same. Sorry, I'm
>>not sure what it was supposed to look like. I don't remember it looking
>>different in the past.
>
>
> It's firefox. I'll attach two screen shots.

Well I have the mozilla and firefox, both cutting edge versions and both
show the same. I guess they use the same rendering engine.

> One odd thing, is my fonts are much smaller than in your screen shot.
> Some web pages show that way for me -- I assume it's my setup, but
> nothing looks odd. Fonts are somewhat of a mystery to me under
> Linux, though.

Yes, as my last inspiron has died, I just got a new notebook with
1920x1200 resolution, so I have to use bigger fonts to be able to see
things :) So I'm on 16 and not 12.

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Allan Juul wrote:
> it looks incorrect in the snapshot stas sent.
>
> this is an old issue/problem mainly caused by me. way back i "rejected" to
> use transparent gif-images as spacers, so created a hack with the <br> tag
> using classes to get the same vertical effect. have a look at
>
> http://perl.apache.org/STATUS
>
> i think it is only a problem on linux. i use quite a lot of browsers on
> win32/mac os x and can't recall to have seen this problem ever on those
> platforms.
>
> probably the best solution is the pathetic solution [considering we are now
> in year 2005], namely to use a spacer.gif image.
>
> alternatively, someone with both time and linux in their hands could try and
> hack the stylesheet
>
> i don't have the time right now, but could probably find some around easter.

Or may be someone who understands the issue could submit a bug report to
the mozilla team, since it looks like a regression to me. It was working
fine just a few weeks ago.

In any case, thanks for looking at it, Allan. Whenever you have time. Make
sure to try with the latest bleading firefox and not just an official release.

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Stas Bekman wrote:
> Allan Juul wrote:
>
>> it looks incorrect in the snapshot stas sent.
>>
>> this is an old issue/problem mainly caused by me. way back i
>> "rejected" to
>> use transparent gif-images as spacers, so created a hack with the <br>
>> tag
>> using classes to get the same vertical effect. have a look at
>> http://perl.apache.org/STATUS
>>
>> i think it is only a problem on linux. i use quite a lot of browsers on
>> win32/mac os x and can't recall to have seen this problem ever on those
>> platforms.
>>
>> probably the best solution is the pathetic solution [considering we
>> are now
>> in year 2005], namely to use a spacer.gif image.
>>
>> alternatively, someone with both time and linux in their hands could
>> try and
>> hack the stylesheet
>>
>> i don't have the time right now, but could probably find some around
>> easter.
>
>
> Or may be someone who understands the issue could submit a bug report to
> the mozilla team, since it looks like a regression to me. It was working
> fine just a few weeks ago.
>
> In any case, thanks for looking at it, Allan. Whenever you have time.
> Make sure to try with the latest bleading firefox and not just an
> official release.

Allan? Did you have a chance to look at those issues?

I also get a screwed up <pre> sections, it doesn't use the fixed fonts. Do
you think it's something wrong on my side? I get it only with mozilla,
while firefox shows those just fine. Other sites show the fixed font fine
with mozilla. I can send a snapshot if you want.


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hi stas,

sorry - i had forgotten about this,

hmm, to me it sounds akward that it all the sudden (after a couple of years)
just doesn't work as expected.

i am pretty sure this is a linux-only issue or did you use a browser in a
beta stage?

anyway ...

> Allan? Did you have a chance to look at those issues?
>
> I also get a screwed up <pre> sections, it doesn't use the
> fixed fonts. Do
> you think it's something wrong on my side? I get it only with
> mozilla,
> while firefox shows those just fine. Other sites show the
> fixed font fine
> with mozilla. I can send a snapshot if you want.


the fonts issue is new to me [.sound like a mozilla problem assuing they use
the same rendering engine], please send screenshots to allan@muly.dk

/allan



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Allan Juul wrote:
> hi stas,
>
> sorry - i had forgotten about this,
>
> hmm, to me it sounds akward that it all the sudden (after a couple of years)
> just doesn't work as expected.
>
> i am pretty sure this is a linux-only issue or did you use a browser in a
> beta stage?
>
> anyway ...
>
>
>>Allan? Did you have a chance to look at those issues?
>>
>>I also get a screwed up <pre> sections, it doesn't use the
>>fixed fonts. Do
>>you think it's something wrong on my side? I get it only with
>>mozilla,
>>while firefox shows those just fine. Other sites show the
>>fixed font fine
>>with mozilla. I can send a snapshot if you want.
>
>
>
> the fonts issue is new to me [.sound like a mozilla problem assuing they use
> the same rendering engine], please send screenshots to allan@muly.dk

Attached:

Mozilla-1.7.6.png: Mozilla 1.7.6
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050322

Firefox-1.0.2.png: Firefox/1.0.2
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050317

You can see the misalignment of the graphical frames in both.

You can see that Firefox-1.0.2.png shows fixed fonts just fine (the
synopsis section), whereas Mozilla-1.7.6.png has them as non-fixed. Both
snapshots were taking on the same system.

Thanks Allan.

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I've committed Allan's patch and forced a rebuild. Please let the list
know if you can see some rendering problems caused by this change (it was
done to fix the broken rendering in mozilla browsers on linux).

Thanks Allan!

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Stas Bekman wrote:
> I've committed Allan's patch and forced a rebuild. Please let the list
> know if you can see some rendering problems caused by this change (it
> was done to fix the broken rendering in mozilla browsers on linux).
Assuming the rebuild is done, looks good on FreeBSD FireFox and Mozilla 1.x
series. Also on Win2k I.E. 6.0 and FireFox - Deer Park Alpha 2.


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