Maemo Council Meeting Minutes 2015-12-01
Meeting held 2015-12-01 on FreeNode, channel #maemo-meeting (logs at
http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2015-12-01.log.html)
Attending: Peter Leinchen (peterleinchen), Halit Bal (HtheB), Gido
Griese (Win7Mac), Jussi Ohenoja (juiceme)
Partial: Bernardo Reino (reinob)
Absent:
Summary of topics (ordered by discussion):
- Discussing handling of ex-members accounts
- Automatic calculation of election results
- Finalizing the rules for the coding competition
(Topic Discussing handling of ex-members accounts):
- Discussion about ex-users that still receive maermo mails; It seems
that in some cases even when an user removes his account or requests
removal from techstaff something might still remain active; for example
mail bouncer might send something, or election machine might still dig
up the mail account when automailing to members.
- At least one case was solved by Techstaff; it was found out that the
user still was listed as a project admin in a mailing list of one of his
old projects.
(Topic Automatic calculation of election results):
- The Council discussed the state of the Maemo voting system, what are
the pros and cons of it.
- The only problem currently is that the automatic calculation of the
votes does not work, and it requires that the resulting list of votes is
run manually through OpenSTV after the election closes and results are
posted to the voting page.
- Juiceme was not absolutely sure that it had ever worked correctly
and had to check it from Woody; the answer is that it did work correctly
sometime in the past.
- Possibly a system update has at some point of time changed paths
that the calculation script uses, hence breaking it.
- HtheB raised again the point that we have 2 different user-base
systems, "TMO users" != "Maemo users" which is a major disadvantage.
Only people with Maemo account are allowed to vote on community matters,
and there probably are many TMO users who do not even know that...
- User base harmonization has been discussed before and it is very
difficult to do and possibly disastrous. However there are reasons why
it should be done. If the pressure to do it is strong enough we need to
do something about it, so it should be studied further.
- What should be done, is to try to get everybody on TMO to join MO.
Maybe mass-posting or automatic notice message on TMO.
(Topic Finalizing the rules for the coding competition):
- It has been decided that the competition categories are based on
devices rather than types-of-apps.
- Prize devices need to be collected by asking donations on TMO.
- Categorizing the prizes; it needs to be ensured that "right devices
match the right developers", so that the winners get what they need and
deserve.
- It needs to be decided how the competition entries are reviewed and
tested as suitable. Who will be in the group that does it.
- There was discussion on whether to allow closed-source entries; it
is more difficult to review those and make sure there are no hiddem
malicious features. However if the competition is restricted to FOSS
only, it might alienate some developers. It was decided that we want to
aim open/portable SW anyway, so competition entries need to be FOSS.
Github can be used for source code inspection, and binaries could be
uploaded to maemo.org repositories. Other than Maemo binaries
(harmattan/SFOS) could be uploaded to openrepos (need to be checked if
possible).
- It could be a good idea to recruit people from other communities
(like TJC) to test submissions and possibly to join TMO and attend the
competition too :)
Action Items:
- old items:
- Looking into automatic calculation of election results ...
- Discuss spam handling with techstaff.
- new items:
- Finalize the coding competition rules.
- Post to TMO announcing the competition and requesting for
donations.
- Discuss competition entries storing with OpenRepos people.
Comments:
There have been no comments so far.
--
- Juice -
_______________________________________________
maemo-community mailing list
maemo-community@maemo.org
https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
Meeting held 2015-12-01 on FreeNode, channel #maemo-meeting (logs at
http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2015-12-01.log.html)
Attending: Peter Leinchen (peterleinchen), Halit Bal (HtheB), Gido
Griese (Win7Mac), Jussi Ohenoja (juiceme)
Partial: Bernardo Reino (reinob)
Absent:
Summary of topics (ordered by discussion):
- Discussing handling of ex-members accounts
- Automatic calculation of election results
- Finalizing the rules for the coding competition
(Topic Discussing handling of ex-members accounts):
- Discussion about ex-users that still receive maermo mails; It seems
that in some cases even when an user removes his account or requests
removal from techstaff something might still remain active; for example
mail bouncer might send something, or election machine might still dig
up the mail account when automailing to members.
- At least one case was solved by Techstaff; it was found out that the
user still was listed as a project admin in a mailing list of one of his
old projects.
(Topic Automatic calculation of election results):
- The Council discussed the state of the Maemo voting system, what are
the pros and cons of it.
- The only problem currently is that the automatic calculation of the
votes does not work, and it requires that the resulting list of votes is
run manually through OpenSTV after the election closes and results are
posted to the voting page.
- Juiceme was not absolutely sure that it had ever worked correctly
and had to check it from Woody; the answer is that it did work correctly
sometime in the past.
- Possibly a system update has at some point of time changed paths
that the calculation script uses, hence breaking it.
- HtheB raised again the point that we have 2 different user-base
systems, "TMO users" != "Maemo users" which is a major disadvantage.
Only people with Maemo account are allowed to vote on community matters,
and there probably are many TMO users who do not even know that...
- User base harmonization has been discussed before and it is very
difficult to do and possibly disastrous. However there are reasons why
it should be done. If the pressure to do it is strong enough we need to
do something about it, so it should be studied further.
- What should be done, is to try to get everybody on TMO to join MO.
Maybe mass-posting or automatic notice message on TMO.
(Topic Finalizing the rules for the coding competition):
- It has been decided that the competition categories are based on
devices rather than types-of-apps.
- Prize devices need to be collected by asking donations on TMO.
- Categorizing the prizes; it needs to be ensured that "right devices
match the right developers", so that the winners get what they need and
deserve.
- It needs to be decided how the competition entries are reviewed and
tested as suitable. Who will be in the group that does it.
- There was discussion on whether to allow closed-source entries; it
is more difficult to review those and make sure there are no hiddem
malicious features. However if the competition is restricted to FOSS
only, it might alienate some developers. It was decided that we want to
aim open/portable SW anyway, so competition entries need to be FOSS.
Github can be used for source code inspection, and binaries could be
uploaded to maemo.org repositories. Other than Maemo binaries
(harmattan/SFOS) could be uploaded to openrepos (need to be checked if
possible).
- It could be a good idea to recruit people from other communities
(like TJC) to test submissions and possibly to join TMO and attend the
competition too :)
Action Items:
- old items:
- Looking into automatic calculation of election results ...
- Discuss spam handling with techstaff.
- new items:
- Finalize the coding competition rules.
- Post to TMO announcing the competition and requesting for
donations.
- Discuss competition entries storing with OpenRepos people.
Comments:
There have been no comments so far.
--
- Juice -
_______________________________________________
maemo-community mailing list
maemo-community@maemo.org
https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community