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Re: Leadtek WinFast PVR2100 linux support
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 16:28 -0600, Dennis J Harrison Jr wrote:
> Hope I am not emailing you out of turn here :

Well, I usually ignore personal emails related to driver development
that don't have a particular stated need for confidentiality - I like to
keep development of linux drivers out in the open.

So, I hope you don't mind that I Cc: the ivtv-users list because:

a. you did your homework, :)
b. you had a good question, and
c. others may benefit from the answer.

> I see the thread -
> http://ivtvdriver.org/pipermail/ivtv-users/2008-July/008462.html
>

> I was wondering what your experience has been with this card.

I have just had positive feedback and a fix submitted for the PVR-2100
from someone on the linux-media list who uses the card to tune to RF
PAL-D stations. The latest fix to get the tuner working properly on
this card can be found at:

http://linuxtv.org/hg/~awalls/cx18-pvr2100

The DVR-3100H is essentially the same card except with DVB-T receive
capability as well.


> I am
> looking to setup a mythtv box in the house - and I am stuck on
> satellite. The only way I can see to get hd content out of the
> receivers are hdmi and component. My understanding is that no hdmi
> capture cards work properly under linux (hours of google - is all I
> have to go on for this though). So that leaves component capture, and
> the leadtek pvr2100 would be the best bang for the buck (I think?).

Well keep in mind for this card that:

a. you may need to buy a component video adjunct cable & bracket from
Leadtek. It may not come standard with the card.

b. the cx18 driver currently does not support Component video for any
card. It would be a non-trivial effort for me to add it to the cx18
driver, but not terribly hard either. I do not have hardware with which
to test, though.

c. there may be some hardware specific GPIO settings to enable the
component video inputs that I don't know about. I probably can ask
Leadtek for those specific details if I need them - Leadtek is linux
friendly in my experience.


> As well as being on the pci bus instead of usb (like the hauppage
> device that does component in). Which I figured would be the best of
> both worlds?

Well, there is an advantage to being out of the PC chassis when it comes
to EMI reduction for RF signal reception.

Also a PCIe card that meets your needs would likely be preferable to a
PCI one. PCI slots are getting hard to come by nowadays.


I hope that helps you make a decision.

Regards,
Andy

> Thanks for your time,
> Dennis Harrison



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Re: Leadtek WinFast PVR2100 linux support [ In reply to ]
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Andy Walls <awalls@radix.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 16:28 -0600, Dennis J Harrison Jr wrote:
>> Hope I am not emailing you out of turn here :
>
> Well, I usually ignore personal emails related to driver development
> that don't have a particular stated need for confidentiality - I like to
> keep development of linux drivers out in the open.
>
> So, I hope you don't mind that I Cc: the ivtv-users list because:
>
> a. you did your homework, :)
> b. you had a good question, and
> c. others may benefit from the answer.
>

Thank you for responding to me directly - as I was unsure of the
protocol for contact.

>> I see the thread -
>> http://ivtvdriver.org/pipermail/ivtv-users/2008-July/008462.html
>>
>
>> I was wondering what your experience has been with this card.
>
> I have just had positive feedback and a fix submitted for the PVR-2100
> from someone on the linux-media list who uses the card to tune to RF
> PAL-D stations.  The latest fix to get the tuner working properly on
> this card can be found at:
>
>        http://linuxtv.org/hg/~awalls/cx18-pvr2100
>
> The DVR-3100H is essentially the same card except with DVB-T receive
> capability as well.
>
>
>>   I am
>> looking to setup a mythtv box in the house - and I am stuck on
>> satellite.  The only way I can see to get hd content out of the
>> receivers are hdmi and component.  My understanding is that no hdmi
>> capture cards work properly under linux (hours of google - is all I
>> have to go on for this though).  So that leaves component capture, and
>> the leadtek pvr2100 would be the best bang for the buck (I think?).
>
> Well keep in mind for this card that:
>
> a. you may need to buy a component video adjunct cable & bracket from
> Leadtek.  It may not come standard with the card.
>
> b. the cx18 driver currently does not support Component video for any
> card.  It would be a non-trivial effort for me to add it to the cx18
> driver, but not terribly hard either.  I do not have hardware with which
> to test, though.
>
> c. there may be some hardware specific GPIO settings to enable the
> component video inputs that I don't know about.  I probably can ask
> Leadtek for those specific details if I need them - Leadtek is linux
> friendly in my experience.
>
You're correct about needing to buy a cable / bracket for this card.
I would certainly get you a card, cable & bracket to you if you have
an interest in further development!
>
>> As well as being on the pci bus instead of usb (like the hauppage
>> device that does component in).  Which I figured would be the best of
>> both worlds?
>
> Well, there is an advantage to being out of the PC chassis when it comes
> to EMI reduction for RF signal reception.
>
I hadn't even thought of this - at all -. Thanks for the insight.

> Also a PCIe card that meets your needs would likely be preferable to a
> PCI one.  PCI slots are getting hard to come by nowadays.
>
This is absolutely true as well - Does anyone on the list know if
there are any PCIe w/ component in cards working in linux?
>
> I hope that helps you make a decision.
>
Absolutely! It seems like the best option for us right now is to grab
a few Hauppauge HD PVRs. Although, should we worry about usb being a
limiting factor (and I've read a lot about needing to power cycle the
units every so often - due to freezing and not correctly stopping
recording of a show)? I know the bitrate can get as high as 13.5mb/s
for each device, and we're looking to have 4 channels of recording /
view available to us at once (large family).
> Regards,
> Andy
>
Thank you very much - again :)
>> Thanks for your time,
>> Dennis Harrison
>
>
>

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Re: Leadtek WinFast PVR2100 linux support [ In reply to ]
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Andy Walls <awalls@radix.net> wrote:
>>   I am
>> looking to setup a mythtv box in the house - and I am stuck on
>> satellite.  The only way I can see to get hd content out of the
>> receivers are hdmi and component.  My understanding is that no hdmi
>> capture cards work properly under linux (hours of google - is all I
>> have to go on for this though).  So that leaves component capture, and
>> the leadtek pvr2100 would be the best bang for the buck (I think?).

It is probably worth noting that component capture does not
necessarily mean HD component capture. I suspect this card may very
well only capture 480i/480p.

Do you know definitively that it can capture in HD?

Devin

--
Devin J. Heitmueller - Kernel Labs
http://www.kernellabs.com

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Re: Leadtek WinFast PVR2100 linux support [ In reply to ]
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 10:53 -0500, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Andy Walls <awalls@radix.net> wrote:
> >> I am
> >> looking to setup a mythtv box in the house - and I am stuck on
> >> satellite. The only way I can see to get hd content out of the
> >> receivers are hdmi and component. My understanding is that no hdmi
> >> capture cards work properly under linux (hours of google - is all I
> >> have to go on for this though). So that leaves component capture, and
> >> the leadtek pvr2100 would be the best bang for the buck (I think?).
>
> It is probably worth noting that component capture does not
> necessarily mean HD component capture. I suspect this card may very
> well only capture 480i/480p.
>
> Do you know definitively that it can capture in HD?

Good point. I'm pretty sure a CX23418 will only ever be able to capture
standard resolution using component video in. Even if I could coax the
analog front end into an HD resolution configuration (doubtful), the
MPEG encoding engine is still expecting 720x576 as the max resolution
(PAL & SECAM).

But component video for cx18 might still be a project I undertake
sometime.

Regards,
Andy

> Devin



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Re: Leadtek WinFast PVR2100 linux support [ In reply to ]
On Fri, 2010-01-08 at 08:55 -0500, Andy Walls wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 10:53 -0500, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Andy Walls <awalls@radix.net> wrote:
> > >> I am
> > >> looking to setup a mythtv box in the house - and I am stuck on
> > >> satellite. The only way I can see to get hd content out of the
> > >> receivers are hdmi and component. My understanding is that no hdmi
> > >> capture cards work properly under linux (hours of google - is all I
> > >> have to go on for this though). So that leaves component capture, and
> > >> the leadtek pvr2100 would be the best bang for the buck (I think?).
> >
> > It is probably worth noting that component capture does not
> > necessarily mean HD component capture. I suspect this card may very
> > well only capture 480i/480p.
> >
> > Do you know definitively that it can capture in HD?
>
> Good point. I'm pretty sure a CX23418 will only ever be able to capture
> standard resolution using component video in. Even if I could coax the
> analog front end into an HD resolution configuration (doubtful), the
> MPEG encoding engine is still expecting 720x576 as the max resolution
> (PAL & SECAM).
>
> But component video for cx18 might still be a project I undertake
> sometime.

And here's my first stab at cx18 component video:

http://linuxtv.org/hg/~awalls/cx18-pvr2100-component

for both the Leadtek PVR2100 and DVR3100 H. It was a little easier than
I had thought.

Anyone with one of those boards with the component video hookup, please
give it a test.

Regards,
Andy


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