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On 03/23/2015 05:39 PM, DB wrote:
> Currently my production IC5 runs on a Centos5 server. Although it's
> still supported for quite some time with security patches, I think it's
> time to move to a more modern OS. Just asking "what should I use" is a
> bit too general, so instead I'll ask for opinions of just two options:
> Centos 7 and Ubuntu 14.04. Any thoughts are appreciated.
>

Debian Jessie - no frills, excellent Perl support :-).
Ubuntu doesn't have any added value for a server IMHO.

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On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, DB wrote:

> Currently my production IC5 runs on a Centos5 server. Although it's
> still supported for quite some time with security patches, I think it's
> time to move to a more modern OS. Just asking "what should I use" is a
> bit too general, so instead I'll ask for opinions of just two options:
> Centos 7 and Ubuntu 14.04. Any thoughts are appreciated.

We use CentOS 7, Ubuntu 14.04, and Debian 7. They're all good OSes.

We lean towards CentOS 7 for Perl and Interchange stuff in particular, but
we will probably build our own RPMs based on Perl 5.20, since CentOS 7
comes with 5.16.3. So far we have used plenv for builds from source.

Jon


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On 03/24/2015 05:39 AM, DB wrote:
> Currently my production IC5 runs on a Centos5 server. Although it's
> still supported for quite some time with security patches, I think it's
> time to move to a more modern OS. Just asking "what should I use" is a
> bit too general, so instead I'll ask for opinions of just two options:
> Centos 7 and Ubuntu 14.04. Any thoughts are appreciated.

Go with what you're used to, stick to CentOS.

Build your own perl, I have even just recently seen issues with stock
threaded perl and DBI with Interchange in RPC mode (in CentOS 6) and
building an unthreaded perl solved it.


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>> Currently my production IC5 runs on a Centos5 server. Although it's
>> still supported for quite some time with security patches, I think it's
>> time to move to a more modern OS. Just asking "what should I use" is a
>> bit too general, so instead I'll ask for opinions of just two options:
>> Centos 7 and Ubuntu 14.04. Any thoughts are appreciated.
>
> Go with what you're used to, stick to CentOS.
>
> Build your own perl, I have even just recently seen issues with stock
> threaded perl and DBI with Interchange in RPC mode (in CentOS 6) and
> building an unthreaded perl solved it.
>

Thanks for the reply. I've done the custom perl thing before and would
rather avoid it if possible. Sticking to the OS-supplied packages makes
applying security patches relatively painless. Does anyone know if
Ubuntu/Debian's perl is threaded? I'm using the stock perl on my Centos5
machine and it seems to be ok.

Dave


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Quoting Peter (peter@pajamian.dhs.org):
> On 03/24/2015 05:39 AM, DB wrote:
> > Currently my production IC5 runs on a Centos5 server. Although it's
> > still supported for quite some time with security patches, I think it's
> > time to move to a more modern OS. Just asking "what should I use" is a
> > bit too general, so instead I'll ask for opinions of just two options:
> > Centos 7 and Ubuntu 14.04. Any thoughts are appreciated.
>
> Go with what you're used to, stick to CentOS.

Get ready to learn systemd...

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On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, Josh Lavin wrote:

>> Go with what you're used to, stick to CentOS.
>
> Get ready to learn systemd...

Yes, no matter which major distro you pick. CentOS just got it earlier. :)

Jon


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On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 03:35:34PM -0700, Josh Lavin wrote:
> Quoting Peter (peter@pajamian.dhs.org):
> > On 03/24/2015 05:39 AM, DB wrote:
> > > Currently my production IC5 runs on a Centos5 server. Although it's
> > > still supported for quite some time with security patches, I think it's
> > > time to move to a more modern OS. Just asking "what should I use" is a
> > > bit too general, so instead I'll ask for opinions of just two options:
> > > Centos 7 and Ubuntu 14.04. Any thoughts are appreciated.
> >
> > Go with what you're used to, stick to CentOS.
>
> Get ready to learn systemd...
>
> --
> Josh Lavin
> Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/
> ... ask me about job opportunities ...

... and firewalld. One of my clients decided he wanted to upgrade
from CentOS 5 to CentOS 7. We had to fight too much new stuff, and
decided to fall back and do a more gentle upgrade to CentOS 6. N.B. -
we haven't done the latter yet.

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On 03/24/2015 11:43 AM, Bob McClure Jr wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 03:35:34PM -0700, Josh Lavin wrote:
>> Get ready to learn systemd...

No matter which distro you pick nowadays.

> ... and firewalld.

You can still use iptables in CentOS 7, it's trivial to disable
firewalld. Same goes for NetworkManager (which I also recommend you
disable and just stick with the older network scripts).


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On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, Bob McClure Jr wrote:

>> Get ready to learn systemd...
>
> ... and firewalld. One of my clients decided he wanted to upgrade from
> CentOS 5 to CentOS 7. We had to fight too much new stuff, and decided
> to fall back and do a more gentle upgrade to CentOS 6.

Nah, firewalld is an optional thing on RHEL 7 / CentOS 7. Just `yum remove
firewalld && yum install iptables-services` and you'll have essentially
the same thing earlier RHEL/CentOS versions had.

Jon


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On 03/24/2015 11:43 AM, Bob McClure Jr wrote:
> One of my clients decided he wanted to upgrade from CentOS 5 to CentOS 7.

Oh, and the old service and chkconfig commands still work in CentOS 7 as
wrappers around the newer systemctl command so you really don't have to
learn much new stuff.

That said, I am definitely not a fan of systemd, but the pain of the
switch can be largely mitigated.


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On Tuesday 24 March 2015 11:55:05 Peter wrote:
> On 03/24/2015 11:43 AM, Bob McClure Jr wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 03:35:34PM -0700, Josh Lavin wrote:
> >> Get ready to learn systemd...
>
> No matter which distro you pick nowadays.
>
> > ... and firewalld.
>
> You can still use iptables in CentOS 7, it's trivial to disable
> firewalld. Same goes for NetworkManager (which I also recommend you
> disable and just stick with the older network scripts).
>
>
> Peter


While source-based distros like Gentoo are not everyone's preference, it's
worth noting that disabling systemd is just a matter of adding "-systemd" to
the global USE flags. And the choice between iptables and firewalld is yours,
not the system's. Both systemd and that accursed akonadi in KDE are yet more
evidence of the *nix world being invaded by aliens, IMO ...

Lyn

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