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Give it a try and let us know.
(I guess one thing to consider unique to Gentoo is make sure you have enough room in your /usr mount point if you do paritioning, I would reccomend LVM)
-B

----- Original Message -----
From: Mikkel Bo Hansen mihan99 <mihan99@student.sdu.dk>
Date: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:05 am
Subject: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo instead of red hat

> Hi,
> I am currently running dualboot on both my stationary pc and my
> laptop. Windows and linux (Red hat 9). But I would like to change
> from Red hat to Gentoo, is that doable? And is there anything I
> should consider?
>
> best regards
>
> -- Mikkel
>
> --
> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>


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Mikkel Bo Hansen mihan99 wrote:
> Hi,
> I am currently running dualboot on both my stationary pc and my laptop. Windows and linux (Red hat 9). But I would like to change from Red hat to Gentoo, is that doable? And is there anything I should consider?
>
> best regards
>
> -- Mikkel
>

Doable in what way? You can certainly "change" from one to another by
erasing RH and installing Gentoo in the now-free space that RH formerly
occupied.

If you mean can you somehow "upgrade" RH to Gentoo, well.... no. But you
can't do that with any two different distributions (you can't "change"
SuSE to Mandrake, or Slackware to Debian, other than by uninstalling one
and installing the other).

What precisely are you hoping to achieve?

Holly

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What I want to is to erase Red hat and install Gentoo instead. So the best way is to erase red har, and then install gentoo, or can it be done in just one run? As I understand it, during the installation of gentoo, you will be able to repartition with fdisk, and thereby erase the existing linux partitions. Please correct me if I am wrong.
And a bi-question: Does gentoo come with kde or gnome or both?

thanks for fast replies

-- Mikkel

________________________________

Fra: Holly Bostick [mailto:motub@planet.nl]
Sendt: ti 26-10-2004 13:25
Til: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Emne: Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo instead of red hat



Mikkel Bo Hansen mihan99 wrote:
> Hi,
> I am currently running dualboot on both my stationary pc and my laptop. Windows and linux (Red hat 9). But I would like to change from Red hat to Gentoo, is that doable? And is there anything I should consider?
>
> best regards
>
> -- Mikkel
>

Doable in what way? You can certainly "change" from one to another by
erasing RH and installing Gentoo in the now-free space that RH formerly
occupied.

If you mean can you somehow "upgrade" RH to Gentoo, well.... no. But you
can't do that with any two different distributions (you can't "change"
SuSE to Mandrake, or Slackware to Debian, other than by uninstalling one
and installing the other).

What precisely are you hoping to achieve?

Holly

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Have a look at the Gentoo Installation handbook. Quite a valuable resource and well organized. It will answer your questions below and so much more!

----- Original Message -----
From: Mikkel Bo Hansen mihan99 <mihan99@student.sdu.dk>
Date: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:33 am
Subject: SV: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo instead of red hat

> What I want to is to erase Red hat and install Gentoo instead. So
> the best way is to erase red har, and then install gentoo, or can
> it be done in just one run? As I understand it, during the
> installation of gentoo, you will be able to repartition with
> fdisk, and thereby erase the existing linux partitions. Please
> correct me if I am wrong.
> And a bi-question: Does gentoo come with kde or gnome or both?
>
> thanks for fast replies
>
> -- Mikkel
>
> ________________________________
>
> Fra: Holly Bostick [motub@planet.nl]
> Sendt: ti 26-10-2004 13:25
> Til: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Emne: Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo instead of red hat
>
>
>
> Mikkel Bo Hansen mihan99 wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I am currently running dualboot on both my stationary pc and my
> laptop. Windows and linux (Red hat 9). But I would like to change
> from Red hat to Gentoo, is that doable? And is there anything I
> should consider?
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > -- Mikkel
> >
>
> Doable in what way? You can certainly "change" from one to another by
> erasing RH and installing Gentoo in the now-free space that RH
> formerlyoccupied.
>
> If you mean can you somehow "upgrade" RH to Gentoo, well.... no.
> But you
> can't do that with any two different distributions (you can't "change"
> SuSE to Mandrake, or Slackware to Debian, other than by
> uninstalling one
> and installing the other).
>
> What precisely are you hoping to achieve?
>
> Holly
>
> --
> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>
>
>

On Tuesday 26 October 2004 02:00 pm, Kevin Philp wrote:
> What are you used to? If you used Gnome under Redhat then stick with that
> for now. There is no definitive "better than choice". I prefer KDE and use
> it on all our desktops, its probably a bit easier for ex Windows users but
> I wouldn't bet my pension on that being true... its just a perception. You
> can always install both!
>
> Some things you need to be aware of:
>
> 1. Gentoo takes MUCH longer to install than Redhat. If you want a full KDE
> desktop then you are talking hours of compiling. It took me 3 evenings to
> install a stage 1 gentoo install including KDE. Redhat would take about 45
> minutes on my machine.
>
> 2. Read and print the installation handbook. Follow it very carefully. Its
> excellent and essential to survive a Gentoo install. The install process is
> much more difficult than a Redhat install. Make sure you know what your
> hardware is... whats your nic chip? what is your graphics chip? What is on
> your motherboard? Redhat has a lot of hardware detection but in a Gentoo
> install from stage 1 you will need to know what hardware modules to compile
> into your kernel.
>
> 3. Make sure you have enough harddrive space for portage. The handbook
> gives you guidelines but I still ran out of space on one of my first
> attempts.
>
> Good luck, It was worth the effort, I know a lot more about Linux now then
> I did before and the update process is a doddle when its all installed.
>
> Kevin.

I would add that if you want to retain any original RH partitions or file
systems, really read the sections (4a,b,c,d, and e) on this carefully, and
understand them fully, or you are likely to run into trouble later. For
example, if RH has a separate /home partition, and you want to keep it intact
to use on your new Gentoo install,, you still need to inform Gentoo and fstab
it exists, as explained in the install doc.

Robert Crawford

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Mikkel Bo Hansen mihan99 wrote:
> What I want to is to erase Red hat and install Gentoo instead. So the best way is to erase red har, and then install gentoo, or can it be done in just one run? As I understand it, during the installation of gentoo, you will be able to repartition with fdisk, and thereby erase the existing linux partitions. Please correct me if I am wrong.

You're absolultly right.

> And a bi-question: Does gentoo come with kde or gnome or both?

Gentoo comes with none of them preinstalled ;-), but both can be
installed with gentoo's package management.

# emerge kde
- or -
# emerge gnome

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On Tuesday 26 October 2004 07:33 am, a tiny voice compelled Mikkel Bo Hansen
mihan99 to write:
> What I want to is to erase Red hat and install Gentoo instead. So the best
> way is to erase red har, and then install gentoo, or can it be done in just
> one run? As I understand it, during the installation of gentoo, you will be
> able to repartition with fdisk, and thereby erase the existing linux
> partitions. Please correct me if I am wrong. And a bi-question: Does gentoo
> come with kde or gnome or both?
>
> thanks for fast replies
>
> -- Mikkel
>
> ________________________________
>
> Fra: Holly Bostick [mailto:motub@planet.nl]
> Sendt: ti 26-10-2004 13:25
> Til: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Emne: Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo instead of red hat
>
> Mikkel Bo Hansen mihan99 wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I am currently running dualboot on both my stationary pc and my laptop.
> > Windows and linux (Red hat 9). But I would like to change from Red hat to
> > Gentoo, is that doable? And is there anything I should consider?
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > -- Mikkel
>
> Doable in what way? You can certainly "change" from one to another by
> erasing RH and installing Gentoo in the now-free space that RH formerly
> occupied.
>
> If you mean can you somehow "upgrade" RH to Gentoo, well.... no. But you
> can't do that with any two different distributions (you can't "change"
> SuSE to Mandrake, or Slackware to Debian, other than by uninstalling one
> and installing the other).
>
> What precisely are you hoping to achieve?
>
> Holly
>
> --
> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list


Yes, you partition and format as part of the installation so, actually
removing your RH 9 isn't necessary. If your RedHat has a separate /home
partition you can chose not to format it and save your personal data.
As for the second question, Gentoo "comes with" either both or neither, KDE
and Gnome. Installing one or the other or some other window manager is your
choice, after your basic system is installed.
I would suggest you visit the Gentoo site and read the Gentoo handbook. Be
aware that installing Gentoo is not like installing RedHat. It is far more
complicated and time consuming. That said, the documentation is superb and if
you follow instructions step by step, and never assume that you know more
than the experts that wrote them, you will do just fine. The real advantage,
is that you will learn more about Linux installing Gentoo that you would
normally learn in several years running a distro like RedHat.
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So I should just download the cd, boot from the cd rom, and I should be on my way?

-- Mikkel

________________________________

Fra: Christoph Gysin [mailto:cgysin@gmx.ch]
Sendt: ti 26-10-2004 13:55
Til: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Emne: Re: SV: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo instead of red hat



Mikkel Bo Hansen mihan99 wrote:
> What I want to is to erase Red hat and install Gentoo instead. So the best way is to erase red har, and then install gentoo, or can it be done in just one run? As I understand it, during the installation of gentoo, you will be able to repartition with fdisk, and thereby erase the existing linux partitions. Please correct me if I am wrong.

You're absolultly right.

> And a bi-question: Does gentoo come with kde or gnome or both?

Gentoo comes with none of them preinstalled ;-), but both can be
installed with gentoo's package management.

# emerge kde
- or -
# emerge gnome

Christoph
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Mikkel Bo Hansen mihan99 wrote:
> So I should just download the cd, boot from the cd rom, and I should be on my way?
>
> -- Mikkel
>

oh, dear.... Please, read the Handbook at least once before heading off
into the unknown.

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/index.xml

Holly

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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:55:48 +0200, Christoph Gysin <cgysin@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Mikkel Bo Hansen mihan99 wrote:
> Gentoo comes with none of them preinstalled ;-), but both can be
> installed with gentoo's package management.
>
> # emerge kde
> - or -
> # emerge gnome
>

In your experience, which is better KDE or Gnome? Just your two cents...

STRT

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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:58:36 +0200, Mikkel Bo Hansen mihan99
<mihan99@student.sdu.dk> wrote:
> So I should just download the cd, boot from the cd rom, and I should be on my way?
>
> -- Mikkel

Yep

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Le oct octobre à 14:07:34 "S.Tux" <str.tux@gmail.com> a écrit notamment:

> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:55:48 +0200, Christoph Gysin <cgysin@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Mikkel Bo Hansen mihan99 wrote:
>> Gentoo comes with none of them preinstalled ;-), but both can be
>> installed with gentoo's package management.
>>
>> # emerge kde
>> - or -
>> # emerge gnome
>>
>
> In your experience, which is better KDE or Gnome? Just your two cents...
>
> STRT

[...]

Well these are far from being the only terms of choice:
you can give a try to *xfce*, slighter than those and still
"user-friendly", and to many others who could be said to be "hacker
friendly" like *ratpoison*, *ion*, and so on...
cheers,
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jm.bornier@free.fr wrote:
> Well these are far from being the only terms of choice:
> you can give a try to *xfce*, slighter than those and still
> "user-friendly", and to many others who could be said to be "hacker
> friendly" like *ratpoison*, *ion*, and so on...
> cheers,

If you would like to try something different from gnome and kde, xfce4
is slim but still "user friendly".

# emerge xfce4

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S.Tux wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:55:48 +0200, Christoph Gysin <cgysin@gmx.ch> wrote:
>
>>Mikkel Bo Hansen mihan99 wrote:
>>Gentoo comes with none of them preinstalled ;-), but both can be
>>installed with gentoo's package management.
>>
>># emerge kde
>> - or -
>># emerge gnome
>>
>
>
> In your experience, which is better KDE or Gnome? Just your two cents...
>
> STRT
>

Really depends on what you want. I prefer GNOME to KDE, but I actually
use Openbox3 these days (with gnome-panel). Nice compromise between
lightness, customizeablility, and familiar functionality while I
struggle to configure fvwm (which is going to be my baby when I'm all done).

A lot of people swear by KDE, a lot of people find it fussy,
over-integrated and bloated. Some people love GNOME, others find it too
simplistic, buggy and disagree with the design decisions (spatial
nautilus comes to mind).

Some people don't want to be bothered with all this foolishness and
prefer fluxbox or blackbox, or Windowmaker (which is quite cool,
actually). Some people have 'lesser' hardware, and cannot run heavy DEs
like GNOME or KDE; they tend to use XFCE or IceWM.

There's those who don't really want a whole lot of features integrated
into the WM so we can do what we want; we use things like Openbox,
Pekwm, or Kakahai.

For those who really use any WM under protest ;-) , we've got things
like RatPoison and Ion (and many many screen sessions ;-D ).

Like I said, it really depends on what you want. Deciding which is
"better" can only mean "what's better for the way you personally use
your PC", and no one knows that but you.

Holly

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What are you used to? If you used Gnome under Redhat then stick with that for
now. There is no definitive "better than choice". I prefer KDE and use it on
all our desktops, its probably a bit easier for ex Windows users but I
wouldn't bet my pension on that being true... its just a perception. You can
always install both!

Some things you need to be aware of:

1. Gentoo takes MUCH longer to install than Redhat. If you want a full KDE
desktop then you are talking hours of compiling. It took me 3 evenings to
install a stage 1 gentoo install including KDE. Redhat would take about 45
minutes on my machine.

2. Read and print the installation handbook. Follow it very carefully. Its
excellent and essential to survive a Gentoo install. The install process is
much more difficult than a Redhat install. Make sure you know what your
hardware is... whats your nic chip? what is your graphics chip? What is on
your motherboard? Redhat has a lot of hardware detection but in a Gentoo
install from stage 1 you will need to know what hardware modules to compile
into your kernel.

3. Make sure you have enough harddrive space for portage. The handbook gives
you guidelines but I still ran out of space on one of my first attempts.

Good luck, It was worth the effort, I know a lot more about Linux now then I
did before and the update process is a doddle when its all installed.

Kevin.

On Tuesday 26 October 2004 13:07, S.Tux wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:55:48 +0200, Christoph Gysin <cgysin@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Mikkel Bo Hansen mihan99 wrote:
> Gentoo comes with none of them preinstalled ;-), but both can be
> installed with gentoo's package management.
>
> # emerge kde
> - or -
> # emerge gnome

In your experience, which is better KDE or Gnome? Just your two cents...

STRT


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On 13:58 Tue 26 Oct , Mikkel Bo Hansen mihan99 wrote:
> So I should just download the cd, boot from the cd rom, and I should be on my way?

Please use the reply button. Don't start a new thread to reply to a post.

Bill

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Mikkel Bo Hansen mihan99 wrote:

>Hi,
>I am currently running dualboot on both my stationary pc and my laptop. Windows and linux (Red hat 9). But I would like to change from Red hat to Gentoo, is that doable? And is there anything I should consider?
>
>

I did this myself a few months ago. I was triple booting between
Gentoo, Redhat, and Win XP for awhile which helped to ease the
transition between RH and Gentoo.

If you don't have enough disk space, then you'll need to remove RedHat
first. If you don't mind staying with EXT3, you can just delete the
Redhat directories /usr, /var, /etc, /opt, etc. and then start
installing Gentoo.

Also, I've found www.linux-laptop.net to be an excellent source of
information. With Gentoo, you'll need to take a more hands on approach
to the install, so this may come in handy.

--Kurt




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On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 19:25, Holly Bostick wrote:
> Mikkel Bo Hansen mihan99 wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I am currently running dualboot on both my stationary pc and my laptop. Windows and linux (Red hat 9). But I would like to change from Red hat to Gentoo, is that doable? And is there anything I should consider?
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > -- Mikkel
> >
>
> Doable in what way? You can certainly "change" from one to another by
> erasing RH and installing Gentoo in the now-free space that RH formerly
> occupied.

That's not entirely true. There's at least 2 Howto on how to get gentoo
running using only SSH on a remote box.

It works of sorts. I did try it and I went to the point where everything
was done until the reboot. And then it wouldn't load the kernel(using
Fedora's). (even after rebuilding a new kernel for gentoo, it still hung
for some reason stating that the root FS is mounted read-only


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On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 19:56, Ernie Schroder wrote:
> The real advantage,
> is that you will learn more about Linux installing Gentoo that you would
> normally learn in several years running a distro like RedHat.

I Second that..
since going to the gentoo path, I would have to say I've learned.

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