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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:54:44 +0800 Zhang Weiwu <zhangweiwu@realss.com>
wrote:
| Don't get me wrong. I am not asking for a prediction, just a rough
| guess. And I won't quote you:)

Probably never, since it requires Java.

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On Sun, Apr 17, 2005 at 02:59:25PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:54:44 +0800 Zhang Weiwu <zhangweiwu@realss.com>
> wrote:
> | Don't get me wrong. I am not asking for a prediction, just a rough
> | guess. And I won't quote you:)
>
> Probably never, since it requires Java.

The upstream build is available on openoffice.org mirrors at
contrib/linuxsparc. This contains rpms which can be installed by non-root
user in their home directory using rpm with a script in
developer/install_srcipts.

It was built using java but users can chose to run it without java, losing
some features. The build uses upstream sources and does not conform to
various packagers' policies.

Some hints and a few patches required for a linux sparc build are here
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=38686.

There is work in progress to build and run using gcj instead of java. see
for example http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=38188

thanks

jim
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Jim Watson wrote:

>On Sun, Apr 17, 2005 at 02:59:25PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>
>
>>On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:54:44 +0800 Zhang Weiwu <zhangweiwu@realss.com>
>>wrote:
>>| Don't get me wrong. I am not asking for a prediction, just a rough
>>| guess. And I won't quote you:)
>>
>>Probably never, since it requires Java.
>>
>>
>
>The upstream build is available on openoffice.org mirrors at
>contrib/linuxsparc. This contains rpms which can be installed by non-root
>user in their home directory using rpm with a script in
>developer/install_srcipts.
>
>It was built using java but users can chose to run it without java, losing
>some features. The build uses upstream sources and does not conform to
>various packagers' policies.
>
>Some hints and a few patches required for a linux sparc build are here
>http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=38686.
>
>There is work in progress to build and run using gcj instead of java. see
>for example http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=38188
>
>thanks
>
>jim
>
>
Sorry I don't get the point. I thought most gentoo-sparc users have
blackdown JRE/JDK, so why is Java a problem?

And again, noboday take a guess when can we have OOo 2 in the portage
with ~sparc?
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:36:32 +0800 Zhang Weiwu <zhangweiwu@realss.com>
wrote:
| Sorry I don't get the point. I thought most gentoo-sparc users have
| blackdown JRE/JDK, so why is Java a problem?

Because we don't have a *recent* usable blackdown JRE, and the one we do
have is chock full of security holes and bugs.

| And again, noboday take a guess when can we have OOo 2 in the portage
| with ~sparc?

Probably never.

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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:36:32 +0800 Zhang Weiwu <zhangweiwu@realss.com>
>wrote:
>| Sorry I don't get the point. I thought most gentoo-sparc users have
>| blackdown JRE/JDK, so why is Java a problem?
>
>Because we don't have a *recent* usable blackdown JRE, and the one we do
>have is chock full of security holes and bugs.
>
>
I don't fully get you. Are you serious?

I am not a Java guru, just using it, and I use jedit and several other
utilities that are purely Java app (not fast, but runs okay), and how
bad is the JRE of blackdown-sparc? Is it that bad that OOo can hardly
work? When I use OOo 1.1.4 I got tons of problems but most of them seems
(obviously) not related to JRE.
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Zhang Weiwu wrote:

> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:36:32 +0800 Zhang Weiwu <zhangweiwu@realss.com>
>> wrote:
>> | Sorry I don't get the point. I thought most gentoo-sparc users have
>> | blackdown JRE/JDK, so why is Java a problem?
>>
>> Because we don't have a *recent* usable blackdown JRE, and the one we do
>> have is chock full of security holes and bugs.
>>
>>
> I don't fully get you. Are you serious?
>
> I am not a Java guru, just using it, and I use jedit and several other
> utilities that are purely Java app (not fast, but runs okay), and how
> bad is the JRE of blackdown-sparc? Is it that bad that OOo can hardly
> work? When I use OOo 1.1.4 I got tons of problems but most of them
> seems (obviously) not related to JRE.

Okay, perhaps I am a bit outdated. Looking into the blackdown website it
seems nothing is going on, and the webpages are barely maintained. I
again by googling around found that looks there are few people interest
on developing JRE for linux on sparc.

I am thinking about getting rid of the current sparc kit and buy a
Pentium box. My sparc kit could be well used as a server. Or, do you
think I should switch to solaris for my desktop (since I heard it's
going to be OSS soon)? Is GNOME for solaris pretty stable? As well as
other desktop applications like mozilla and OOo? Do solaris package
management system much worse then Gentoo's?

The real pain of using sparc (for me) as desktop is the lack of,
macromedia flash.

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On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 10:28:22PM +0800, Zhang Weiwu wrote:
>
> I am thinking about getting rid of the current sparc kit and buy a
> Pentium box. My sparc kit could be well used as a server. Or, do you
> think I should switch to solaris for my desktop (since I heard it's
> going to be OSS soon)? Is GNOME for solaris pretty stable? As well as
> other desktop applications like mozilla and OOo? Do solaris package
> management system much worse then Gentoo's?

IMHO, Solaris may be an alternative for you because it provides you
with a working java implementation and a working flash implementation.

The counterpart is the package and update(patching) system of solaris which
is very unintuitive.
You may want to check www.blastwave.org which provides you with free
binary packages of opensource projects.

But if you have had enough of sparc now and don't want to experiment
further you probably wan't to get a x86 or x86_64 box.

regards klaus
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Klaus Wagner wrote:

>On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 10:28:22PM +0800, Zhang Weiwu wrote:
>
>
>>I am thinking about getting rid of the current sparc kit and buy a
>>Pentium box. My sparc kit could be well used as a server. Or, do you
>>think I should switch to solaris for my desktop (since I heard it's
>>going to be OSS soon)? Is GNOME for solaris pretty stable? As well as
>>other desktop applications like mozilla and OOo? Do solaris package
>>management system much worse then Gentoo's?
>>
>>
>
>IMHO, Solaris may be an alternative for you because it provides you
>with a working java implementation and a working flash implementation.
>
>The counterpart is the package and update(patching) system of solaris which
>is very unintuitive.
>You may want to check www.blastwave.org which provides you with free
>binary packages of opensource projects.
>
>
Thank you for your precious suggestions. May I know what's your opinion
in how difficult to install a full desktop (GNOME) on solaris compare
installing them on gentoo? Do I need to take many steps and expect many
package conflicts (like I experienced with RedHat several years ago)?

I think I will wait until solaris go OSS, for it's stupid to buy
anything that is almost OSS.

Besides, is the 'working flash implementation' the product of
macromedia? Flash is important to me because we are currently using a
customer relationship webapp that builts UI with flash (odd, though)
that requires macromedia flash > 6. Currently I have to use remote X to
connect to a colleuage's SuSE linux to use the webapp.
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>> The counterpart is the package and update(patching) system of solaris which
>> is very unintuitive.
>> You may want to check www.blastwave.org which provides you with free
>> binary packages of opensource projects.
>>
> Thank you for your precious suggestions. May I know what's your opinion in
> how difficult to install a full desktop (GNOME) on solaris compare installing
> them on gentoo? Do I need to take many steps and expect many package
> conflicts (like I experienced with RedHat several years ago)?

Well, I'd suggest going to www.sun.com/software/solaris and learning more
about the features.

GNOME is now the standard Solaris desktop, and is developed and supported
by Sun. It might not be the latest bleeding edge version but it's there.
Keep in mind that it isn't likely to be lighting-fast on most older Sparc
hardware.

FWIW, GNOME is standard on Redhat (and its clones) as well. You don't
have to do anything if you're happy with the provided packages. Beyond
that you're on your own and GNOME can still challenging to build from
scratch, no matter what platform.

> I think I will wait until solaris go OSS, for it's stupid to buy anything
> that is almost OSS.

It's largely irrelevant snce you can download and use Solaris 10 for free
(unless you have a large SMP system like an E10k...). There are
additional licensed products like Sun's compiler suite; however you can
use gcc (included).

> Besides, is the 'working flash implementation' the product of macromedia?
Yes, as far as I know.

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