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Shyam Mani wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Soon, it will be that time of the year again....when we come out with an
> updated release, with new funky stuff thrown in :)
>
> The main reason for this email is because, the last time, we had a few
> major changes to the x86 handbook, because of the installer going stable
> on that arch.
>
> Now's the time for feedback on the handbooks, before we start any work
> on 2006.1. So far, the new format we introduced for x86 seems to be
> working fine, we didn't see many bugs about it nor did we hear about
> issues...so well, I've assumed that things have on the whole been okay.
>
> If you have suggestions for improvement in format etc or anything at
> all, now would be the time to speak up.

I mostly watched for feedback & second/third-hand reports on the networkless
handbook(s), go figure, and I haven't heard anything negative on that end. The
only consistent request I saw was for a warning to avoid the data loss bug
present in the installer, but there's already an open bug for that, and that'll
be fixed in the next release anyway.

As for the networked handbooks, the format and layout are still nice, solid, and
logical to me for all supported arches.

One question: how many other arches have had their networkless installs moved to
the GLI by default? Sure, I wrote the gtkfe/dialog to be arch-neutral, but
depending on 2006.1 arch additions and/or screen/config process additions, it
might need to be updated somewhat.

Overall, I'd say we're in great shape, with hopefully minimal content changes to
be made to the docs.
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On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 12:11 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote:
> One question: how many other arches have had their networkless installs moved to
> the GLI by default? Sure, I wrote the gtkfe/dialog to be arch-neutral, but
> depending on 2006.1 arch additions and/or screen/config process additions, it
> might need to be updated somewhat.

Provided that there are no more major bugs, we should be switching amd64
to using GLI this release.

Also, the GTK+ installer will have "modes" support. This is a selection
on the first screen for "standard" and "networkless" that disables any
options under networkless that might require a network connection. It
should reduce the number of bugs caused by people doing things like
selecting dcron when doing networkless, or anything else that would
cause a network to be required.

> Overall, I'd say we're in great shape, with hopefully minimal content changes to
> be made to the docs.

There will probably be a good bit of content changes due to modes
support. I'll try to get you guys a beta "advanced" copy of a LiveCD as
quickly as possible to help you guys work through the documentation.

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Release Engineering - Strategic Lead
x86 Architecture Team
Games - Developer
Gentoo Linux

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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 12:11 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote:
>> One question: how many other arches have had their networkless installs moved to
>> the GLI by default? Sure, I wrote the gtkfe/dialog to be arch-neutral, but
>> depending on 2006.1 arch additions and/or screen/config process additions, it
>> might need to be updated somewhat.
>
> Provided that there are no more major bugs, we should be switching amd64
> to using GLI this release.
>
> Also, the GTK+ installer will have "modes" support. This is a selection
> on the first screen for "standard" and "networkless" that disables any
> options under networkless that might require a network connection. It
> should reduce the number of bugs caused by people doing things like
> selecting dcron when doing networkless, or anything else that would
> cause a network to be required.
>
>> Overall, I'd say we're in great shape, with hopefully minimal content changes to
>> be made to the docs.
>
> There will probably be a good bit of content changes due to modes
> support. I'll try to get you guys a beta "advanced" copy of a LiveCD as
> quickly as possible to help you guys work through the documentation.
>
Thanks very much for this heads-up, Chris. Yay! Sooner I get a copy (or a handy
video like last time ;)), the sooner I can start making the changes to the
networkless handbook.
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On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:08 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote:
> > There will probably be a good bit of content changes due to modes
> > support. I'll try to get you guys a beta "advanced" copy of a LiveCD as
> > quickly as possible to help you guys work through the documentation.
> >
> Thanks very much for this heads-up, Chris. Yay! Sooner I get a copy (or a handy
> video like last time ;)), the sooner I can start making the changes to the
> networkless handbook.

Well, the main changes to the CD are in the device detection programs
(I've updated them all) and in the package versions on the CD. There
will be a newer installer, but you can "preview" it from the 2006.0 CD.
All you have to do is boot the CD, then open a console. From the
console, type:

/opt/installer/misc/updategtkfe

This automatically downloads the latest snapshot version and runs it.

We haven't made an "official" snapshot for 2006.1 of the Installer, so a
few things may change, but not much. For example, the "Extra packages"
screen needs a little work.

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Release Engineering - Strategic Lead
x86 Architecture Team
Games - Developer
Gentoo Linux

On 07/06/06, Shyam Mani <fox2mike@gentoo.org> wrote:
> If you have suggestions for improvement in format etc or anything at
> all, now would be the time to speak up.

I don't know how useful this would be to other people, but one thing I
would like for the handbook is the ability at the start to select a
few options from a simple form saying what type of installation I'm
doing (x86, genkernel, lilo as the bootloader for example) and be
presented with a custom handbook that only shows the relevant sections
for what I want to do, rather than having to skip over large chunks
whenever I come to a fork where I only need to follow one path.

It's only an idea though, not sure how it would be implemented or
whether it would be worth the effort.

Paul
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:08 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote:
>>> There will probably be a good bit of content changes due to modes
>>> support. I'll try to get you guys a beta "advanced" copy of a LiveCD as
>>> quickly as possible to help you guys work through the documentation.
>>>
>> Thanks very much for this heads-up, Chris. Yay! Sooner I get a copy (or a handy
>> video like last time ;)), the sooner I can start making the changes to the
>> networkless handbook.
>
> Well, the main changes to the CD are in the device detection programs
> (I've updated them all) and in the package versions on the CD. There
> will be a newer installer, but you can "preview" it from the 2006.0 CD.
> All you have to do is boot the CD, then open a console. From the
> console, type:
>
> /opt/installer/misc/updategtkfe
>
> This automatically downloads the latest snapshot version and runs it.
>
> We haven't made an "official" snapshot for 2006.1 of the Installer, so a
> few things may change, but not much. For example, the "Extra packages"
> screen needs a little work.
>

You found a way to update a LiveCD? You rock so hardcore. :D

And yeah, mostly my changes will be dependent on any new screens or if the order
of screens (or order and naming of options within them) has changed.
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On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 10:22 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote:
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> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:08 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote:
> >>> There will probably be a good bit of content changes due to modes
> >>> support. I'll try to get you guys a beta "advanced" copy of a LiveCD as
> >>> quickly as possible to help you guys work through the documentation.
> >>>
> >> Thanks very much for this heads-up, Chris. Yay! Sooner I get a copy (or a handy
> >> video like last time ;)), the sooner I can start making the changes to the
> >> networkless handbook.
> >
> > Well, the main changes to the CD are in the device detection programs
> > (I've updated them all) and in the package versions on the CD. There
> > will be a newer installer, but you can "preview" it from the 2006.0 CD.
> > All you have to do is boot the CD, then open a console. From the
> > console, type:
> >
> > /opt/installer/misc/updategtkfe
> >
> > This automatically downloads the latest snapshot version and runs it.
> >
> > We haven't made an "official" snapshot for 2006.1 of the Installer, so a
> > few things may change, but not much. For example, the "Extra packages"
> > screen needs a little work.
> >
>
> You found a way to update a LiveCD? You rock so hardcore. :D

Not exactly. The /opt/installer gets mounted as tmpfs and a new
snapshot is pulled down, installed, and ran. It works, but isn't the
best approach.

> And yeah, mostly my changes will be dependent on any new screens or if the order
> of screens (or order and naming of options within them) has changed.

I figured as much. This should be exactly what you need.

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x86 Architecture Team
Games - Developer
Gentoo Linux

Hello Doc-Folks,

On 6/8/06, Paul Waring <pwaring@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know how useful this would be to other people, but one thing I
> would like for the handbook is the ability at the start to select a
> few options from a simple form saying what type of installation I'm
> doing (x86, genkernel, lilo as the bootloader for example) and be
> presented with a custom handbook that only shows the relevant sections

This is actually a good idea -- I think the density of instructions is
a little overwhelming. Any comments on feasibility? Might require some
more fine-grained splitting of sections, but seems worth it in the
long haul.
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On 7/15/06, Arun Raghavan <arunisgod@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Doc-Folks,
>
> On 6/8/06, Paul Waring <pwaring@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't know how useful this would be to other people, but one thing I
> > would like for the handbook is the ability at the start to select a
> > few options from a simple form saying what type of installation I'm
> > doing (x86, genkernel, lilo as the bootloader for example) and be
> > presented with a custom handbook that only shows the relevant sections
>
> This is actually a good idea -- I think the density of instructions is
> a little overwhelming. Any comments on feasibility? Might require some
> more fine-grained splitting of sections, but seems worth it in the
> long haul.

On second thought, there are only a few splittable sections that I
found -- did I miss anything?

? Installation medium
* Network setup
* Kernel config method
* Bootloader

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Arun Raghavan wrote:
> On 7/15/06, Arun Raghavan <arunisgod@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Doc-Folks,
>>
>> On 6/8/06, Paul Waring <pwaring@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I don't know how useful this would be to other people, but one thing I
>> > would like for the handbook is the ability at the start to select a
>> > few options from a simple form saying what type of installation I'm
>> > doing (x86, genkernel, lilo as the bootloader for example) and be
>> > presented with a custom handbook that only shows the relevant sections
>>
>> This is actually a good idea -- I think the density of instructions is
>> a little overwhelming. Any comments on feasibility? Might require some
>> more fine-grained splitting of sections, but seems worth it in the
>> long haul.
>
> On second thought, there are only a few splittable sections that I
> found -- did I miss anything?
>
> ? Installation medium
> * Network setup
> * Kernel config method
> * Bootloader
>
> -- Arun

That idea is about as old as the handbook.
Check http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/ again, it's been answered a long
time ago.
Besides, if you think the HB is too much for you, use the quick install guide
instead.


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