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On Saturday 16 Apr 2011 06:06:18 PM Dan Johansson wrote:
> Any suggestions on how to bring knotify4 to recognize an inserted
> CD/DVD/USB- Disk (without HAL).

have you enabled the udev use flag? for eg. on kdelibs et al.

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On Saturday 16 April 2011 14.39:23 Yohan Pereira wrote:
> On Saturday 16 Apr 2011 06:06:18 PM Dan Johansson wrote:
> > Any suggestions on how to bring knotify4 to recognize an inserted
> > CD/DVD/USB- Disk (without HAL).
>
> have you enabled the udev use flag? for eg. on kdelibs et al.

Yes, udev is enabled (and I have recompiled kdelibs, solid and knotify a few
times today while experimenting).

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Get a life


On Saturday, April 16, 2011, Dan Johansson <Dan.Johansson@dmj.nu> wrote:
> After getting rid of HAL knotify4 does not detect a inserted CD/DVD/USB-Disk.
> I have installed udisks and upower.
>
> I have searched the forums and Internet but non of the found sites have helped
> me any further.
>
> Any suggestions on how to bring knotify4 to recognize an inserted CD/DVD/USB-
> Disk (without HAL).
>
> Regards,
> --
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Dan Johansson posted on Sat, 16 Apr 2011 14:56:33 +0200 as excerpted:

> On Saturday 16 April 2011 14.39:23 Yohan Pereira wrote:
>> On Saturday 16 Apr 2011 06:06:18 PM Dan Johansson wrote:
>> > Any suggestions on how to bring knotify4 to recognize an inserted
>> > CD/DVD/USB- Disk (without HAL).
>>
>> have you enabled the udev use flag? for eg. on kdelibs et al.
>
> Yes, udev is enabled (and I have recompiled kdelibs, solid and knotify a
> few times today while experimenting).

You don't mention what kde version.

kde 4.6.0 was the first to switch away from hal. If you're running
previous to that, you need hal for detection.

I don't know why (perhaps an issue with policykit or dbus interfering, or
because I don't have device-mapper on in the kernel even tho udisks
depends on lvm for device-mapper and asks for the kernel option as well?),
but with 4.6.0, detection, at least for cd/dvd, didn't work here either.

But, 4.6.1 suddenly started worked with cd/dvd at least (I've not changed
kernel options, so I guess device-mapper isn't needed afterall, for that).

Now 4.6.2 doesn't appear to be working, again, but I last updated a few
days ago so maybe they've patched it to work again by now?

I've not tried USB mass storage, so I don't know if that's working or not.

But, I don't really care about auto-mounting here anyway, so it's not a
big deal for me either way. If it works, it works, if it doesn't, it
doesn't. I actually thought my config was screwed up for it, so I was
surprised when it started working in 4.6.1.

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On Saturday 16 of April 2011 18:06:56 MethodGuy xXx wrote:
> Get a life

Indeed, but this applies to you since apparently you have no activities
besides posting useless opinions on public project-specific mailing lists.
Good job.

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MethodGuy xXx wrote:
> Get a life
>
>

He has one but he wants one where things automount but needs a little
help with getting it working.

Dale

:-) :-)

On Saturday 16 Apr 2011 06:26:33 PM Dan Johansson wrote:
> Yes, udev is enabled (and I have recompiled kdelibs, solid and knotify a
> few times today while experimenting).

does automounting through dolphin/konqueror work?
is it just the notifcation part thats not working?

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On Saturday 16 Apr 2011 10:01:50 PM Duncan wrote:
> I've not tried USB mass storage, so I don't know if that's working or not.

it does .. perfectly atleast for me. havent tried cd/dvds yet.

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On 16-04-2011 16:06, MethodGuy xXx wrote:
> Get a life

This is not an appropriate email for this mailing list.
Furthermore, if you don't have anything to contribute to the discussion,
please refrain from emailing the list.

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Maciej Mrozowski posted on Sat, 16 Apr 2011 18:49:37 +0200 as excerpted:

> On Saturday 16 of April 2011 18:06:56 MethodGuy xXx wrote:
>> Get a life
>
> Indeed, but this applies to you since apparently you have no activities
> besides posting useless opinions on public project-specific mailing
> lists.
> Good job.

Maybe he's one of those guys that's too dumb to figure out how to
unsubscribe from the list... from the same place he subscribed in the
first place or by following the header instructions... and is taking it
out on random posters? (I seem to recall an earlier post with the same
lack of useful content. Whether it was his or someone else's I'm not
sure. If it's his...)

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On Saturday 16 Apr 2011 09:36:56 PM MethodGuy xXx wrote:
> Get a life

and avoid top posting. :D
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Yohan Pereira wrote:
>
> On Saturday 16 Apr 2011 09:36:56 PM MethodGuy xXx wrote:
>
> > Get a life
>
>
> and avoid top posting. :D
>
> --
>
>
> - Yohan Pereira
>
>

Dang, I forgot to mention that in my post. That's the good thing about
Gentoo mailing list, if one of us forgets something, another takes up
the slack. lol

Dale

:-) :-)

People, can we stop poking the troll (or person having a crap day?)

Devrel stepped in, now it's time to quit posting replies. :)

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From: Yohan Pereira <yohan.pereira@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-desktop@lists.gentoo.org
Sent: Sat, Apr 16, 2011 17:51:46 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [gentoo-desktop] Knotify4 does not detect inserted CD/DVD
and/or USB-Disks

On Saturday 16 Apr 2011 09:36:56 PM MethodGuy xXx wrote:
> Get a life

and avoid top posting. :D
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"A man can do as he will, but not will as he will" - Schopenhauer

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On 16-04-2011 18:23, Shardis wrote:
> People, can we stop poking the troll (or person having a crap day?)

Yes, please.

> Devrel stepped in, now it's time to quit posting replies. :)

Assuming you meant me, if you must see my previous email as anything
more than a developer trying to prevent another escalation in this ml,
please see if as coming from a User Relations team member.

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On Saturday 16 April 2011 18.31:50 Duncan wrote:
> Dan Johansson posted on Sat, 16 Apr 2011 14:56:33 +0200 as excerpted:
> > On Saturday 16 April 2011 14.39:23 Yohan Pereira wrote:
> >> On Saturday 16 Apr 2011 06:06:18 PM Dan Johansson wrote:
> >> > Any suggestions on how to bring knotify4 to recognize an inserted
> >> > CD/DVD/USB- Disk (without HAL).
> >>
> >> have you enabled the udev use flag? for eg. on kdelibs et al.
> >
> > Yes, udev is enabled (and I have recompiled kdelibs, solid and knotify a
> > few times today while experimenting).
>
> You don't mention what kde version.
>
> kde 4.6.0 was the first to switch away from hal. If you're running
> previous to that, you need hal for detection.
>
> I don't know why (perhaps an issue with policykit or dbus interfering, or
> because I don't have device-mapper on in the kernel even tho udisks
> depends on lvm for device-mapper and asks for the kernel option as well?),
> but with 4.6.0, detection, at least for cd/dvd, didn't work here either.
>
> But, 4.6.1 suddenly started worked with cd/dvd at least (I've not changed
> kernel options, so I guess device-mapper isn't needed afterall, for that).
>
> Now 4.6.2 doesn't appear to be working, again, but I last updated a few
> days ago so maybe they've patched it to work again by now?
>
> I've not tried USB mass storage, so I don't know if that's working or not.
>
> But, I don't really care about auto-mounting here anyway, so it's not a
> big deal for me either way. If it works, it works, if it doesn't, it
> doesn't. I actually thought my config was screwed up for it, so I was
> surprised when it started working in 4.6.1.

Sorry forgot to mention I'm running AMD64 Stable and therefor KDE-4.4.5.
Of cause I do not _need_ the knotify-popup to mount something I can do it on
the command line as well but I find it is nice to have and the users of "the
other OS" asks me why I have do such things manually in Linux.

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On Saturday 16 April 2011 19.18:10 Yohan Pereira wrote:
> On Saturday 16 Apr 2011 06:26:33 PM Dan Johansson wrote:
> > Yes, udev is enabled (and I have recompiled kdelibs, solid and knotify a
> > few times today while experimenting).
>
> does automounting through dolphin/konqueror work?
> is it just the notifcation part thats not working?

In neither Dolphin nor Konqueror does automounting work.

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> Sorry forgot to mention I'm running AMD64 Stable and therefor KDE-4.4.5.

As Duncan already said earlier in this thread, KDE 4.6 was the first
version that could do auto-mounting without HAL. Both 4.4.x and 4.5.x
need HAL for auto-mounting.

So, if you want auto-mounting, you have two options:
(1) update KDE to 4.6.x (IMHO it's better overall than 4.4.x ever was, YMMV)
(2) re-install HAL for the time being (it doesn't hurt, does it?).

> Of course I do not _need_ the knotify-popup to mount something I can do it on
> the command line as well but I find it is nice to have and the users of "the
> other OS" asks me why I have do such things manually in Linux.

Well, you don't have to, if you have the right packages installed :-)

Jakob Kummerow posted on Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:58:56 +0200 as excerpted:

> (1) update KDE to 4.6.x (IMHO it's better overall than 4.4.x ever was,
> YMMV)

YMMV indeed. While I'd definitely recommend updating to a later 4.5, as
in 4.5.4 or 4.5.5, that won't do away with the hal dependency for device
detection and automounting.

I personally had no problems with 4.6.0 or 4.6.1, but 4.6.0 being the
first in the 4.6 feature series it wasn't really considered ready for
stable, and 4.6.1 had a number of regressions -- kde's switching svn ->
git and some of the tarball components got pulled from the wrong
location. Still, either of those were reasonably fine by me. (It's worth
noting in context, however, that for whatever reason, auto-detection
worked for me in 4.6.1 but not in 4.6.0).

4.6.2 has been worse, and from the kde-linux and kde-general lists I
participate in upstream, I'm not the only one to find it so.

One of the bigger problems seems to be if you have dual monitors, so if
you don't commonly run with more than a single monitor, 4.6.2 might be
fine. But apparently, 4.6.2 plasma has problems figuring out which
monitor the panels should be on and their size, as I have problems with
one of mine insisting that it belongs on the wrong monitor, at every kde
start (or plasma-desktop restart, if I terminate and restart it manually,
as I do occasionally), and another poster mentioned problems with it being
on the correct edge for him, but at the wrong location and size. Both of
us have to reset the one panel every time we restart kde or plasma-desktop.

So 4.6.1 was the best in the 4.6 series for me, since both plasma and
device detection worked, while one or the other has been broken for me on
4.6.0 and 4.6.2. But 4.6.2 should be fine for single-monitor folks.

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> After getting rid of HAL knotify4 does not detect a inserted
> CD/DVD/USB-Disk. I have installed udisks and upower.

Did you reboot since removing hal? May be necessary...
cheers, Andreas

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On Monday 18 April 2011 00.41:27 Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> > After getting rid of HAL knotify4 does not detect a inserted
> > CD/DVD/USB-Disk. I have installed udisks and upower.
>
> Did you reboot since removing hal? May be necessary...
> cheers, Andreas

Yes, after every new thing tried.

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