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hi,
i am working on project merging voice and data into same data network. with keeping the PBX in place we have 10000 phone extensions. i have a problem to choose the right gateway between PBX and a data network.
thanks


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What are you planning to do with the Router? Is it going to interface
with the PSTN? How many calls are going to go over the gateway? What
kind of interfaces do you need?



Scott



-----Original Message-----
From: majid bouattane [mailto:vomajidip@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:19 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] migrtaion to VoIP



hi,

i am working on project merging voice and data into same data network.
with keeping the PBX in place we have 10000 phone extensions. i have a
problem to choose the right gateway between PBX and a data network.

thanks

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Months ago I did the same what you are describring here.

We had a PBX (Siemens HiComm), connected via ISDN PRI to the Telco. What I did is, I took a Cisco AS 5350 with 2 x E1s and
interconnected like that:

PBX <---- PRI ----> AS 5350 <---PRI----> PSTN

then you can interconnect all kind of VoIP equipment to the AS 5350 and extend your VoIP network.

However you did not mention a lot of details. At least the brand of your PBX and the type of lines (analog/PRI).

----- Original Message -----
From: majid bouattane
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:49 PM
Subject: [cisco-voip] migrtaion to VoIP


hi,
i am working on project merging voice and data into same data network. with keeping the PBX in place we have 10000 phone extensions. i have a problem to choose the right gateway between PBX and a data network.
thanks


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Maybe this is off-topic, but OneAccess (http://www.oneaccess-net.com/) makes
good and cheap VoIP gateways (2500 EUR for a box with Eth, FE and PRI) - and
the way you configure them looks pretty much like IOS.

Vincent


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[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Teodor Georgiev
Sent: mercredi 3 mars 2004 11:39
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] migrtaion to VoIP


Months ago I did the same what you are describring here.

We had a PBX (Siemens HiComm), connected via ISDN PRI to the Telco. What I
did is, I took a Cisco AS 5350 with 2 x E1s and
interconnected like that:

PBX <---- PRI ----> AS 5350 <---PRI----> PSTN

then you can interconnect all kind of VoIP equipment to the AS 5350 and
extend your VoIP network.

However you did not mention a lot of details. At least the brand of your PBX
and the type of lines (analog/PRI).


----- Original Message -----
From: majid <mailto:vomajidip@yahoo.com> bouattane
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:49 PM
Subject: [cisco-voip] migrtaion to VoIP

hi,
i am working on project merging voice and data into same data network. with
keeping the PBX in place we have 10000 phone extensions. i have a problem
to choose the right gateway between PBX and a data network.
thanks



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maybe it is off-topic as well, but:

1. The gateway you mention has 1 x PRI, not 2. For a scheme like the below mentioned, he needs 2.

2. Quintum D1600 & D2400 & D3000 series have 2 PRIs (one for PBX and one for PSTN). D3000 costs about $3000.
And these gateways are really, really very good.


----- Original Message -----
From: Vincent De Keyzer
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 12:59 PM
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] migrtaion to VoIP


Maybe this is off-topic, but OneAccess (http://www.oneaccess-net.com/) makes good and cheap VoIP gateways (2500 EUR for a box with Eth, FE and PRI) - and the way you configure them looks pretty much like IOS.

Vincent

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Teodor Georgiev
Sent: mercredi 3 mars 2004 11:39
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] migrtaion to VoIP


Months ago I did the same what you are describring here.

We had a PBX (Siemens HiComm), connected via ISDN PRI to the Telco. What I did is, I took a Cisco AS 5350 with 2 x E1s and
interconnected like that:

PBX <---- PRI ----> AS 5350 <---PRI----> PSTN

then you can interconnect all kind of VoIP equipment to the AS 5350 and extend your VoIP network.

However you did not mention a lot of details. At least the brand of your PBX and the type of lines (analog/PRI).

----- Original Message -----
From: majid bouattane
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:49 PM
Subject: [cisco-voip] migrtaion to VoIP


hi,
i am working on project merging voice and data into same data network. with keeping the PBX in place we have 10000 phone extensions. i have a problem to choose the right gateway between PBX and a data network.
thanks


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On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 01:13:20PM +0200, Teodor Georgiev wrote:

=> 2. Quintum D1600 & D2400 & D3000 series have 2 PRIs (one for PBX and one for PSTN). D3000 costs about $3000.
=> And these gateways are really, really very good.

Not to begin a flame war, but in which sense of 'good' you say that? IN the
sense of broken h.323 implementation, overflowing time counters,
documentated features that not working as described for a lifetime of
software release?

I'm looking for a solution to such a problem:


/--- PSTN - INGRESS
PBX--BOX
\
--- PSTN - EGRESS

I want the above noted BOX to have 3xE1/PRI:

1 - to connect to the PSTN for INGRESS only calls
2 - to connect to the PSTN for EGRESS only calls
3 - to connect to the PBX originating/terminationg the BOX
routes to/from PSTN.

Of course i could do that with AS5350 or somesuch, but i don't want
to relay on H.323/CCM or any other VoIP protol here - i want the device to
be self-sufficient, doing just channel multiplexing. I could do that with
another PBX, but i'd like to know if that's possible with some combination
of Cisco hardware. If yes - which? :>

--
k.

>
>=> 2. Quintum D1600 & D2400 & D3000 series have 2 PRIs (one for PBX and one
for PSTN). D3000 costs about >$3000.
>=> And these gateways are really, really very good.

>Not to begin a flame war, but in which sense of 'good' you say that? IN the
>sense of broken h.323 implementation, overflowing time counters,
>documentated features that not working as described for a lifetime of
>software release?

Jakub, do let me know for ALL your problems with Quintum gateways and I
promise in front of the whole forum
readers to fix it for you completely *** FOR FREE ***.
Quintum gateways have had bugs (like any other hardware/software product),
but that is a past.

>I'm looking for a solution to such a problem:


/--- PSTN - INGRESS
PBX--BOX
\
--- PSTN - EGRESS

I want the above noted BOX to have 3xE1/PRI:

1 - to connect to the PSTN for INGRESS only calls
2 - to connect to the PSTN for EGRESS only calls
3 - to connect to the PBX originating/terminationg the BOX
routes to/from PSTN.

> Of course i could do that with AS5350 or somesuch, but i don't want
>to relay on H.323/CCM or any other VoIP protol here - i want the device to
>be self-sufficient, doing just channel multiplexing. I could do that with
>another PBX, but i'd like to know if that's possible with some combination
>of Cisco hardware. If yes - which? :>

It is not really needed to run VoIP on Cisco gateway in order to
interconnect 2 or more PRIs. The magic word
here is "TDM". Cisco can do channel multiplexing.

In example I have a scheme like:

PBX <---- PRI ----> Cisco AS 5350 <---- PRI ----> PSTN

without even mentioning the word H.323/SIP/codec in my config.

On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 10:56:33PM +0200, Teodor Georgiev wrote:

=> Jakub, do let me know for ALL your problems with Quintum gateways and I
=> promise in front of the whole forum
=> readers to fix it for you completely *** FOR FREE ***.
=> Quintum gateways have had bugs (like any other hardware/software product),
=> but that is a past.

Ok. Not to make too much fun of you in the front of the whole world watching
(;>)...

How do i cope with a situation like this (it affects both the digital and
the analog units, to make things clear) - i use the gateway for days, and
then just out of a sudden it stops working for some numbers - i mean it
doesn't send any request to the GK, it doesn't pass it to the PSTN, it just
does nothing to the call. It just refuses to call certain number and that's
it. All the other destinations works as before. What kind of logs do you want?

I have that issue up to: P4-2-20-31. I had it from like P2...

--
k.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jakub Klausa" <jacke@bofh.pl>
To: "Teodor Georgiev" <teodor@voicelink.biz>
Cc: <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] migrtaion to VoIP


>Ok. Not to make too much fun of you in the front of the whole world
watching
>(;>)...

>How do i cope with a situation like this (it affects both the digital and
>the analog units, to make things clear) - i use the gateway for days, and
>then just out of a sudden it stops working for some numbers - i mean it
>doesn't send any request to the GK, it doesn't pass it to the PSTN, it just
>does nothing to the call. It just refuses to call certain number and that's
>it. All the other destinations works as before. What kind of logs do you
want?

1. a copy of the configuration
2. evlog +ch +gk

later I could need as well a copy of: evlog +h323d

>I have that issue up to: P4-2-20-31. I had it from like P2...