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2012/9/10 John Napiorkowski <jjn1056@yahoo.com>:
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On 10 Sep 2012, at 14:49, John Napiorkowski wrote:

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So....

Is it just the three of us listening?

I'm only asking because there was a conversation on #catalyst-dev as to the ongoing value of this mailing list.  Right now there's only a small number of people actually hacking on Catalyst and a small group doing development related activities.   Its not clear to me that the value of having this list as a communication channel is outweighed by the potential confusion that such a low traffic and seemingly ignore mailing list can bring.

I myself only have a certain amount of time per week to give to Catalyst (my company doesn't even use it and I haven't been paid to do Catalyst stuff for years).  Although announcing stuff only takes a few minutes, maybe would be better to spend that time doing something else?

Also, more people seem to tune into the regular list and given that that list is also somewhat low traffic (on a good day we get 3 or 4 posts lately) perhaps it would be better for us to just use that?  It would at least have the upside of helping people that read the mailing list understand what the roadmap is (something people said they didn't understand on the recent poll).

Thoughts?

jnap




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> From: Tomas Doran <bobtfish@bobtfish.net>
>To: John Napiorkowski <jjn1056@yahoo.com>; Development of the elegant MVC web framework <catalyst-dev@lists.scsys.co.uk>
>Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [Catalyst-dev] testing list status
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>On 10 Sep 2012, at 14:49, John Napiorkowski wrote:
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Hey,

I'm also listening to this list and I'm glad it exists and is used more in the recent weeks to announce stuff. I don't have much time to hang around in IRC and if I do I rarely can catch up with what is written there (it's too much for me beside regular work). So for me without the list (or with an unused list) things would just happen and I would/may notice afterwards. My hope was that this list will get more attention so it's being used for announcements and statements, like roadmaps etc.

But... For me personally it's often hard to decide which mailing list to subscribe to, since libs are for devs so why should I subscribe to the "user mailing list"? So at the beginning I subscribed to both mailing lists and eventually contributed a little bit to Catalyst. So from my perspective every Catalyst user can become a Catalyst contributor. I think you agree. And for every Catalyst user it may be very interesting to know where Catalyst is heading to, right? So I think using the channel to discuss stuff and using the mailing list to announce stuff, not only releases but also things happening with the roadmap etc., would be a benefit for all "users".

My thoughts...

Matthias

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Am 10.09.2012 um 23:09 schrieb John Napiorkowski <jjn1056@yahoo.com>:

> So....
>
> Is it just the three of us listening?
>
> I'm only asking because there was a conversation on #catalyst-dev as to the ongoing value of this mailing list. Right now there's only a small number of people actually hacking on Catalyst and a small group doing development related activities. Its not clear to me that the value of having this list as a communication channel is outweighed by the potential confusion that such a low traffic and seemingly ignore mailing list can bring.
>
> I myself only have a certain amount of time per week to give to Catalyst (my company doesn't even use it and I haven't been paid to do Catalyst stuff for years). Although announcing stuff only takes a few minutes, maybe would be better to spend that time doing something else?
>
> Also, more people seem to tune into the regular list and given that that list is also somewhat low traffic (on a good day we get 3 or 4 posts lately) perhaps it would be better for us to just use that? It would at least have the upside of helping people that read the mailing list understand what the roadmap is (something people said they didn't understand on the recent poll).
>
> Thoughts?
>
> jnap
>
> From: Tomas Doran <bobtfish@bobtfish.net>
> To: John Napiorkowski <jjn1056@yahoo.com>; Development of the elegant MVC web framework <catalyst-dev@lists.scsys.co.uk>
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Catalyst-dev] testing list status
>
> gnip!
>
> On 10 Sep 2012, at 14:49, John Napiorkowski wrote:
>
> > ping --john napiorkowski
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> > Catalyst-dev@lists.scsys.co.uk
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On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 14:09 -0700, John Napiorkowski wrote:
> Is it just the three of us listening?

Nope :)

> Also, more people seem to tune into the regular list and given that
> that list is also somewhat low traffic (on a good day we get 3 or 4
> posts lately) perhaps it would be better for us to just use that? It
> would at least have the upside of helping people that read the mailing
> list understand what the roadmap is (something people said they didn't
> understand on the recent poll).

I'd think it depends on future plans. Is it planned/wanted to get more
dialog on the mailing lists, or will it stay predominantly on IRC? If
the latter, I'd say a move to the main list with a broader audience is a
good idea. It might turn some people off if large development related
discussions would happen on the main list. On the other hand, it might
get people to become more involved.

So I'd say a move is probably better from my point of view.

Concerning what to do, I'd propose closing the list (however that would
work) and changing the Wiki/documentation links to point to the
archives.

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On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 02:09:31PM -0700, John Napiorkowski wrote:
> So....
>
> Is it just the three of us listening?

I'm listening too....

> I'm only asking because there was a conversation on #catalyst-dev as
> to the ongoing value of this mailing list.  Right now there's only a
> small number of people actually hacking on Catalyst and a small group
> doing development related activities.   Its not clear to me that the
> value of having this list as a communication channel is outweighed by
> the potential confusion that such a low traffic and seemingly ignore
> mailing list can bring.

As has been said, if the bulk of dev-related discussion is happening on
IRC, then it would make sense to close this list and use the regular
Catayst list when there are dev things to go over.

Personally, I'd prefer seeing more dev discusion on the dev mailing
list, because I just prefer using e-mail to IRC for "serious"
discussions that I might need to think about, refer to in the future,
etc.

This is all with the caveat that I am not really doing any dev work
myself lately.

Jesse

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Jesse Sheidlower wrote on 9/10/12 6:25 PM:
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 02:09:31PM -0700, John Napiorkowski wrote:
>> So....
>>
>> Is it just the three of us listening?
>
> I'm listening too....
>
>> I'm only asking because there was a conversation on #catalyst-dev as
>> to the ongoing value of this mailing list. Right now there's only a
>> small number of people actually hacking on Catalyst and a small group
>> doing development related activities. Its not clear to me that the
>> value of having this list as a communication channel is outweighed by
>> the potential confusion that such a low traffic and seemingly ignore
>> mailing list can bring.
>
> As has been said, if the bulk of dev-related discussion is happening on
> IRC, then it would make sense to close this list and use the regular
> Catayst list when there are dev things to go over.
>
> Personally, I'd prefer seeing more dev discusion on the dev mailing
> list, because I just prefer using e-mail to IRC for "serious"
> discussions that I might need to think about, refer to in the future,
> etc.
>
> This is all with the caveat that I am not really doing any dev work
> myself lately.

+1

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From: John Napiorkowski


> Also, more people seem to tune into the regular list and given that that list is also somewhat low traffic (on a good day we get 3
> or 4 posts lately) perhaps it would be better for us to just use that? It would at least have the upside of helping people that
> read the mailing list understand what the roadmap is (something people said they didn't understand on the recent poll).



Yep, a good idea.

Octavian

On Sep 10, 2012, at 10:49 AM, John Napiorkowski wrote:
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I read every mail on this list.

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2012/9/10 John Napiorkowski <jjn1056@yahoo.com>:
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