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If you use something Ubuntu or Debian based, no auto updates will happen. If I remember correctly, some RPM distros might have autoupdates on servers, but there should be a way to turn it off if you google it.

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> On May 5, 2023, at 6:42 PM, John Iliffe <john.iliffe@iliffe.ca> wrote:
>
> ?I'm setting up a new server that will use Apache as a web application.
>
> What would be the best way to do it: Take the download that is available from
> the distro repository or download and compile Apache separately? My concern is
> that if I use the offered version then it will be automatically updated from
> time to time. That might cause the web site to crash if Apache makes any
> significant changes at any time such as ones that change the configuration
> commands.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Regards,
>
> John.
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Depends on your distro, for almalinux (and other redhat derivatives) its dnf --exclude=<package>

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From: David Jentes <daviddgtntpersonal@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2023 7:47 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Best way to Install

If you use something Ubuntu or Debian based, no auto updates will happen. If I remember correctly, some RPM distros might have autoupdates on servers, but there should be a way to turn it off if you google it.

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> On May 5, 2023, at 6:42 PM, John Iliffe <john.iliffe@iliffe.ca> wrote:
>
> ?I'm setting up a new server that will use Apache as a web application.
>
> What would be the best way to do it: Take the download that is
> available from the distro repository or download and compile Apache
> separately? My concern is that if I use the offered version then it
> will be automatically updated from time to time. That might cause the
> web site to crash if Apache makes any significant changes at any time
> such as ones that change the configuration commands.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Regards,
>
> John.
> ======
>
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Or permanent in /etc/dnf/dnf.conf:

exclude=<package.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Jentes <daviddgtntpersonal@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2023 7:47 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Best way to Install

If you use something Ubuntu or Debian based, no auto updates will happen. If I remember correctly, some RPM distros might have autoupdates on servers, but there should be a way to turn it off if you google it.

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> On May 5, 2023, at 6:42 PM, John Iliffe <john.iliffe@iliffe.ca> wrote:
>
> ?I'm setting up a new server that will use Apache as a web application.
>
> What would be the best way to do it: Take the download that is
> available from the distro repository or download and compile Apache
> separately? My concern is that if I use the offered version then it
> will be automatically updated from time to time. That might cause the
> web site to crash if Apache makes any significant changes at any time
> such as ones that change the configuration commands.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Regards,
>
> John.
> ======
>
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Thanks for the prompt response David. This is on Rocky, a Red Hat derivative.

I'll see if automatic updates are implemented. On my Fedora workstation they do
happen automatically and I have been burned on occasion.

John
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On Fri, 2023-05-05 at 18:46 -0500, David Jentes wrote:
> If you use something Ubuntu or Debian based, no auto updates will happen. If I remember correctly, some RPM distros might have autoupdates on servers, but there should be a way to turn it off if you google it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 5, 2023, at 6:42 PM, John Iliffe <john.iliffe@iliffe.ca> wrote:
> >
> > ?I'm setting up a new server that will use Apache as a web application.
> >
> > What would be the best way to do it: Take the download that is available from
> > the distro repository or download and compile Apache separately? My concern is
> > that if I use the offered version then it will be automatically updated from
> > time to time. That might cause the web site to crash if Apache makes any
> > significant changes at any time such as ones that change the configuration
> > commands.
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John.
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My experience with debian distributions is that they patch the version you’re running, but don’t upgrade the package until you upgrade your underlying OS distribution.

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> On May 5, 2023, at 7:51 PM, kmhuntly@gmail.com wrote:
>
> ?Or permanent in /etc/dnf/dnf.conf:
>
> exclude=<package.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Jentes <daviddgtntpersonal@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2023 7:47 PM
> To: users@httpd.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Best way to Install
>
> If you use something Ubuntu or Debian based, no auto updates will happen. If I remember correctly, some RPM distros might have autoupdates on servers, but there should be a way to turn it off if you google it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 5, 2023, at 6:42 PM, John Iliffe <john.iliffe@iliffe.ca> wrote:
>>
>> ?I'm setting up a new server that will use Apache as a web application.
>>
>> What would be the best way to do it: Take the download that is
>> available from the distro repository or download and compile Apache
>> separately? My concern is that if I use the offered version then it
>> will be automatically updated from time to time. That might cause the
>> web site to crash if Apache makes any significant changes at any time
>> such as ones that change the configuration commands.
>>
>> Any comments?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John.
>> ======
>>
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> Date: Friday, May 05, 2023 19:53:21 -0400
> From: John Iliffe <john.iliffe@iliffe.ca>
>
> Thanks for the prompt response David. This is on Rocky, a Red Hat
> derivative.
>
> I'll see if automatic updates are implemented. On my Fedora
> workstation they do happen automatically and I have been burned on
> occasion.

None of my RH-derived systems (RHEL, Centos, Fedora) auto-update -- I
don't remember auto-updating as a default.

If you want your system to otherwise auto-update you can exclude
specific packages from that in the yum.conf file.



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I personally prefer to install it by compiling the source myself. It's not
hard. and then I can control what modules/features are compiled into it. So
you will understand what features you have enabled rather than just
installing everything. I can also install it in a central location as the
distro installs the files all over the place. Nothing wrong with that as
thats how system packages are supposed to be installed, but doing it
manually you can control where on disk it is installed and know everything
is in that one directory. Creating and registering a linux service also
isn't difficult and it's good to understand how those things work anyway.

On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 8:14?PM Richard <lists-apache@listmail.innovate.net>
wrote:

>
>
> > Date: Friday, May 05, 2023 19:53:21 -0400
> > From: John Iliffe <john.iliffe@iliffe.ca>
> >
> > Thanks for the prompt response David. This is on Rocky, a Red Hat
> > derivative.
> >
> > I'll see if automatic updates are implemented. On my Fedora
> > workstation they do happen automatically and I have been burned on
> > occasion.
>
> None of my RH-derived systems (RHEL, Centos, Fedora) auto-update -- I
> don't remember auto-updating as a default.
>
> If you want your system to otherwise auto-update you can exclude
> specific packages from that in the yum.conf file.
>
>
>
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Thanks,
Brian Wolfe
https://www.linkedin.com/in/brian-wolfe-3136425a/

Compiling by hand should really be your last resort; distros provide means
to merge any changes needed to the configuration files. Some provide .new
files that you can diff, even.

Further, using the distro package means that you get security updates,
provided that you don't use an EOL release.

On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 1:18?AM Brian Wolfe <wolfebrian2120@gmail.com> wrote:

> I personally prefer to install it by compiling the source myself. It's not
> hard. and then I can control what modules/features are compiled into it. So
> you will understand what features you have enabled rather than just
> installing everything. I can also install it in a central location as the
> distro installs the files all over the place. Nothing wrong with that as
> thats how system packages are supposed to be installed, but doing it
> manually you can control where on disk it is installed and know everything
> is in that one directory. Creating and registering a linux service also
> isn't difficult and it's good to understand how those things work anyway.
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 8:14?PM Richard <lists-apache@listmail.innovate.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > Date: Friday, May 05, 2023 19:53:21 -0400
>> > From: John Iliffe <john.iliffe@iliffe.ca>
>> >
>> > Thanks for the prompt response David. This is on Rocky, a Red Hat
>> > derivative.
>> >
>> > I'll see if automatic updates are implemented. On my Fedora
>> > workstation they do happen automatically and I have been burned on
>> > occasion.
>>
>> None of my RH-derived systems (RHEL, Centos, Fedora) auto-update -- I
>> don't remember auto-updating as a default.
>>
>> If you want your system to otherwise auto-update you can exclude
>> specific packages from that in the yum.conf file.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Brian Wolfe
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/brian-wolfe-3136425a/
>
>

You can just install from the default package repositories on Rocky Linux. The distro follows the same update policy that CentOS had, meaning that software versions will never change unless you upgrade the OS version itself. The maintainers only integrate security fixes and they do so by cherry-picking only the fixes from the upstream source code. So the problems you encountered on Fedora don't apply to Rocky Linux.


Am 6. Mai 2023 09:46:13 MESZ schrieb Frank Gingras <thumbs@apache.org>:
>Compiling by hand should really be your last resort; distros provide means
>to merge any changes needed to the configuration files. Some provide .new
>files that you can diff, even.
>
>Further, using the distro package means that you get security updates,
>provided that you don't use an EOL release.
>
>On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 1:18?AM Brian Wolfe <wolfebrian2120@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I personally prefer to install it by compiling the source myself. It's not
>> hard. and then I can control what modules/features are compiled into it. So
>> you will understand what features you have enabled rather than just
>> installing everything. I can also install it in a central location as the
>> distro installs the files all over the place. Nothing wrong with that as
>> thats how system packages are supposed to be installed, but doing it
>> manually you can control where on disk it is installed and know everything
>> is in that one directory. Creating and registering a linux service also
>> isn't difficult and it's good to understand how those things work anyway.
>>
>> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 8:14?PM Richard <lists-apache@listmail.innovate.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Date: Friday, May 05, 2023 19:53:21 -0400
>>> > From: John Iliffe <john.iliffe@iliffe.ca>
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the prompt response David. This is on Rocky, a Red Hat
>>> > derivative.
>>> >
>>> > I'll see if automatic updates are implemented. On my Fedora
>>> > workstation they do happen automatically and I have been burned on
>>> > occasion.
>>>
>>> None of my RH-derived systems (RHEL, Centos, Fedora) auto-update -- I
>>> don't remember auto-updating as a default.
>>>
>>> If you want your system to otherwise auto-update you can exclude
>>> specific packages from that in the yum.conf file.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Wolfe
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/brian-wolfe-3136425a/
>>
>>