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Re: [PATCH v2 5/6] Add guide on Communication Best Practice
On Thu, 26 Sep 2019, Lars Kurth wrote:
> From: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com>
>
> This guide covers the bulk on Best Practice related to code review
> It primarily focusses on code review interactions
> It also covers how to deal with Misunderstandings and Cultural
> Differences
>
> Signed-off-by: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com>
> ---
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> Cc: xen-api@lists.xenproject.org
> Cc: win-pv-devel@lists.xenproject.org
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> Cc: committers@xenproject.org
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> +# Communication Best Practice
> +
> +This guide provides communication Best Practice that helps you in
> +* Using welcoming and inclusive language
> +* Keeping discussions technical and actionable
> +* Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences
> +* Being aware of your own and counterpart’s communication style and culture
> +* Show empathy towards other community members
> +
> +## Code reviews for **reviewers** and **patch authors**
> +
> +Before embarking on a code review, it is important to remember that
> +* A poorly executed code review can hurt the contributors feeling, even when a reviewer
> + did not intend to do so. Feeling defensive is a normal reaction to a critique or feedback.
> + A reviewer should be aware of how the pitch, tone, or sentiment of their comments
> + could be interpreted by the contributor. The same applies to responses of an author
> + to the reviewer.
> +* When reviewing someone's code, you are ultimately looking for issues. A good code
> + reviewer is able to mentally separate finding issues from articulating code review
> + comments in a constructive and positive manner: depending on your personality this
> + can be **difficult** and you may need to develop a technique that works for you.
> +* As software engineers we like to be proud of the solutions we came up with. This can
> + make it easy to take another people’s criticism personally. Always remember that it is
> + the code that is being reviewed, not you as a person.
> +* When you receive code review feedback, please be aware that we have reviewers
> + from different backgrounds, communication styles and cultures. Although we all trying
> + to create a productive, welcoming and agile environment, we do not always succeed.
> +
> +### Express appreciation
> +As the nature of code review to find bugs and possible issues, it is very easy for
> +reviewers to get into a mode of operation where the patch review ends up being a list
> +of issues, not mentioning what is right and well done. This can lead to the code
> +submitter interpreting your feedback in a negative way.
> +
> +The opening of a code review provides an opportunity to address this and also sets the
> +tone for the rest of the code review. Starting **every** review on a positive note, helps
> +set the tone for the rest of the review.
> +
> +For an initial patch, you can use phrases such as
> +> Thanks for the patch
> +> Thanks for doing this
> +
> +For further revisions within a review, phrases such as
> +> Thank you for addressing the last set of changes
> +
> +If you believe the code was good, it is good practice to highlight this by using phrases
> +such as
> +> Looks good, just a few comments
> +> The changes you have made since the last version look good
> +
> +If you think there were issues too many with the code to use one of the phrases,
> +you can still start on a positive note, by for example saying
> +> I think this is a good change
> +> I think this is a good feature proposal
> +
> +It is also entirely fine to highlight specific changes as good. The best place to
> +do this, is at top of a patch, as addressing code review comments typically requires
^ the top


> +a contributor to go through the list of things to address and an in-lined positive
> +comment is likely to break that workflow.
> +
> +You should also consider, that if you review a patch of an experienced
> +contributor phrases such as *Thanks for the patch* could come across as
> +patronizing, while using *Thanks for doing this* is less likely to be interpreted
> +as such.
> +
> +Appreciation should also be expressed by patch authors when asking for clarifications
> +to a review or responding to questions. A simple
> +> Thank you for your feedback
> +> Thank you for your reply
> +> Thank you XXX!
> +
> +is normally sufficient.
> +
> +### Avoid opinion: stick to the facts
> +The way how a reviewer expresses feedback, has a big impact on how the author
> +perceives the feedback. Key to this is what we call **stick to the facts**. The same is
> +true when a patch author is responding to a comment from a reviewer.
> +
> +One of our maintainers has been studying Mandarin for several years and has come
> +across the most strongly-worded dictionary entry
> +[he has ever seen](https://youtu.be/ehZvBmrLRwg?t=834). This example
> +illustrates the problem of using opinion in code reviews vs. using facts extremely well.
> +
> +> ?? (guo3 jiao3): foot-binding (a vile feudal practice which crippled women both
> +> physically and spiritually)
> +
> +This is not something one is used to hearing from dictionary entries. Once you
> +investigate the practice foot-binding, it is hard to disagree with the dictionart entry.
> +However, the statement does not contain much information. If you read it without
> +knowing what foot-binding is, it is hard to be convinced by this statement. The main
> +take-away is that the author of the dictionary entry had strong opinions about this topic.
> +It does not tell you, why you should have the same opinion.
^ remove ,

> +
> +Compare this to the (Wikipedia entry)[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_binding]
> +
> +> Foot binding was the custom of applying tight binding to the feet of young girls to
> +> modify the shape and size of their feet. ... foot binding was a painful practice and
> +> significantly limited the mobility of women, resulting in lifelong disabilities for most of
> +> its subjects. ... Binding usually started during the winter months since the feet were
> +> more likely to be numb, and therefore the pain would not be as extreme. …The toes on
> +> each foot were curled under, then pressed with great force downwards and squeezed
> +> into the sole of the foot until the toes broke…
> +
> +Without going into the details of foot-binding, it is noticeable that none of what is written
> +above uses opinion which could be interpreted as inflammatory language. It is a list of
> +simple facts that are laid out in a way that make it obvious what the correct conclusion
> +is.
> +
> +Because the Wikipedia entry is entirely fact based it is more powerful and persuasive
> +then the dictionary entry. The same applies to code reviews.
> +
> +Making statements in code reviews such as
> +> Your code is garbage
> +> This idea is stupid
> +
> +besides being an opinion is rude and counter productive
> +* It will make the patch author angry: instead of finding a solution to the problem the
> + author will spend time and mental energy wrestling with their feelings
> +* It does not contain any information
> +* Facts are both more powerful and more persuasive
> +
> +Consider the following two pieces of feedback on a piece of code
> +> This piece of code is confusing
> +> It took me a long time to ?gure out what was going on here
> +
> +The first example expresses an opinion, whereas the second re-phrases the statement
> +in terms of what you experienced, which is a fact.
> +
> +Other examples:
> +> BAD: This is fragile
> +> SOMEWHAT BETTER: This seems fragile to me
> +> BEST: If X happens, Y will happen.
> +
> +A certain piece of code can be written in many different ways: this can lead to
> +disagreements on the best architecture, design or coding pattern. As already pointed out
> +in this section: avoid feedback that is opinion-based and thus does not add any value.
> +Back your criticism (or idea on how to solve a problem) with a sensible rationale.
> +
> +### Review the code, not the person
> +Without realizing it, it is easy to overlook the difference between insightful critique of
> +code and personal criticism. Let's look at a theoretical function where there is an
> +opportunity to return out of the function early. In this case, you could say
> +
> +> You should return from this function early, because of XXX
> +
> +On its own, there is nothing wrong with this statement. However, a code review is made
> +up of multiple comments and using **You should** consistently can start to feel negative
> +and can be mis-interpreted as a personal attack. Using something like avoids this issue:
> +
> +> Returning from this function early is better, because of XXX
> +
> +Without personal reference, a code review will communicate the problem, idea or issue
> +without risking mis-interpretation.
> +
> +### Verbose vs. terse
> +Due to the time it takes to review and compose code reviewer, reviewers often adopt a
> +terse style. It is not unusual to see review comments such as
> +> typo
> +> s/resions/regions/
> +> coding style
> +> coding style: brackets not needed
> +etc.
> +
> +Terse code review style has its place and can be productive for both the reviewer and
> +the author. However, overuse can come across as unfriendly, lacking empathy and
> +can thus create a negative impression with the author of a patch. This is in particular
> +true, when you do not know the author or the author is a newcomer. Terse
> +communication styles can also be perceived as rude in some cultures.
> +
> +If you tend to use a terse commenting style and you do not know whether the author
> +is OK with it, it is often a good idea to compensate for it in the code review opening
> +(where you express appreciation) or when there is a need for verbose expression.
> +
> +It is also entirely fine to mention that you have a fairly terse communication style
> +and ask whether the author is OK with it. In almost all cases, they will be: by asking
> +you are showing empathy that helps counteract a negative impression.
> +
> +### Code Review Comments should be actionable
> +Code review comments should be actionable: in other words, it needs to be clear
> +what the author of the code needs to do to address the issue you identified.
> +
> +Statements such as
> +> BAD: This is wrong
> +> BAD: This does not work
> +> BETTER, BUT NOT GOOD: This does not work, because of XXX
> +
> +do not normally provide the author of a patch with enough information to send out a
> +new patch version. By doing this, you essentially force the patch author to **find** and
> +**implement** an alternative, which then may also not be acceptable to you as the
> +**reviewer** of the patch.
> +
> +A better way to approach this is to say
> +
> +> This does not work, because of XXX
> +> You may want to investigate YYY and ZZZ as alternatives
> +
> +In some cases, it may not be clear whether YYY or ZZZ are the better solution. As a
> +reviewer you should be as up-front and possible in such a case and say something like
> +
> +> I am not sure whether YYY and ZZZ are better, so you may want to outline your
> +> thoughts about both solutions by e-mail first, such that we can decide what works
> +> best
> +
> +### Identify the severity of an issue or disagreement
> +By default, every comment which is made **ought to be addressed** by the author.
> +However, often reviewers note issues, which would be nice if they were addressed,
> +but are not mandatory.
> +
> +Typically, reviewers use terminology such as
> +> This would be a nice-to-have
> +> This is not a blocker
> +
> +Some maintainers use
> +> NIT: XXX
> +
> +however, it is sometimes also used to indicate a minor issue that **must** be fixed.
>
> +During a code review, it can happen that reviewer and author disagree on how to move
> +forward. The default position when it comes to disagreements is that **both parties
> +want to argue their case**. However, frequently one or both parties do not feel that
> +strongly about a specific issue.
> +
> +Within the Xen Project, we have [a way](https://xenproject.org/developers/governance/#expressingopinion)
> +to highlight one's position on proposals, formal or informal votes using the following
> +notation:
> +> +2 : I am happy with this proposal, and I will argue for it
> +> +1 : I am happy with this proposal, but will not argue for it
> +> 0 : I have no opinion
> +> -1 : I am not happy with this proposal, but will not argue against it
> +> -2 : I am not happy with this proposal, and I will argue against it
> +
> +You can use a phrase such as
> +> I am not happy with this suggestion, but will not argue against it
> +
> +to make clear where you stand, while recording your position. Conversely, a reviewer
> +may do something similar
> +> I am not happy with XYZ, but will not argue against it [anymore]
> +> What we have now is good enough, but could be better

It is not just about the willingness of somebody to argue a point, which
is the important thing when voting. During code reviews it is perfectly
fine to make suggestions which are just optional for multiple reasons,
including that they might be too taxing for the contributor.

So, I think we should add that it would be best to use words that make it
clear whether something is optional or whether it is required, see my
reply to patch #6, I wrote an example there.



> +### Authors: responding to review comments
> +Typically patch authors are expected to **address all** review comments in the next
> +version of a patch or patch series. In a smooth-running code review where you do not
> +have further questions it is not at all necessary to acknowledge the changes you are
> +going to make:
> +* Simply send the next version with the changes addressed and record it in the
> +change-log
> +
> +When there is discussion, the normal practice is to remove the portion of the e-mail
> +thread where there is agreement. Otherwise, the thread can become exceptionally
> +long.
> +
> +In cases where there was discussion and maybe disagreement, it does however make
> +sense to close the discussion by saying something like
> +
> +> ACK
> +> Seems we are agreed, I am going to do this
> +
> +Other situations when you may want to do this are cases where the reviewer made
> +optional suggestions, to make clear whether the suggestion will be followed or
> +not.
> +
> +### Avoid uncommon words: not everyone is a native English speaker
> +Avoid uncommon words both when reviewing code or responding to a review. Not
> +everyone is a native English speaker. The use of such words can come across badly and
> +can lead to misunderstandings.
> +
> +### Prioritize significant flaws
> +If a patch or patch series has significant flaws, such as
> +* It is built on wrong assumptions
> +* There are issues with the architecture or the design
> +
> +it does not make sense to do a detailed code review. In such cases, it is best to
> +focus on the major issues first and deal with style and minor issues in a subsequent
> +review. This reduces the workload on both the reviewer and patch author. However,
> +reviewers should make clear that they have omitted detailed review comments and
> +that these will come later.

Maybe we want to expand on this a bit. Not all series are based on
flawed assumptions, but all series have different class of changes that
are required for acceptance, from major code modifications to minor code
style fixes.

I think we should say that it is good practice to ask for any major
changes early on, during the first or second iteration of the series.
It would be best to avoid asking for major changes at v9 if possible.


Something else which is missing in this document, and it is purely for
reviewers, is to be careful doing reviews late in the cycle when another
maintainer/reviewer has already provided feedback on the series multiple
times previously. For instance, if reviewer R1 has been doing reviews
from the first version of the series and contributor C has been
addressing all comments, it would be best if reviewer R2 didn't come in
providing detailed feedback months later at v5, unless their requests
are actually strictly necessary (i.e. they spotted a bug). The main
reason is that it is difficult not to let your own personal style (code
style, the way to lay out the code) sip through review comments, and it
can cause double-effort for the author if he/she already made changes
according R1's personal style. However, in general, it would be best to
limit "personal style" requests for changes anyway, see my comment to
patch #6.



> +### Welcome newcomers
> +When reviewing the first few patches of a newcomer to the project, you may want
> +spend additional time and effort in your code review. This contributes to a more
> +**positive experience**, which ultimately helps create a positive working relationship in
> +the long term.
> +
> +When someone does their first code submission, they will not be familiar with **all**
> +conventions in the project. A good approach is to
> +* Welcome the newcomer
> +* Offer to help with specific questions, for example on IRC
> +* Point to existing documentation: in particular if mistakes with the submission
> + itself were made. In most situations, following the submission process makes
> + the process more seamless for the contributor. So, you could say something like
> +
> +> Hi XXX. Welcome to the community and thank you for the patch
> +>
> +> I noticed that the submission you made seems to not follow our process.
> +> Are you aware of this document at YYY? If you follow the instructions the
> +> entire code submission process and dealing with review comments becomes
> +> much easier. Feel free to find me on IRC if you need specific help. My IRC
> +> handle is ZZZ
> +
> +### Review the code, then review the review
> +As stated earlier it is often difficult to mentally separate finding issues from articulating
> +code review comments in a constructive and positive manner. Even as an experienced
> +code reviewer you can be in a bad mood, which can impact your communication style.
> +
> +A good trick to avoid this, is to start and complete the code review and then **not
> +send it immediately**. You can then have a final go over the code review at some later
> +point in time and review your comments from the other author's point of view. This
> +minimizes the risk of being misunderstood. The same applies when replying to a code
> +review: draft your reply and give it a final scan before pressing the send button.
> +
> +Generally, it is a good idea for code reviewers to do this regularly, purely from the
> +viewpoint of self-improvement and self-awareness.
> +
> +## Common Communication Pitfalls
> +
> +This section contains common communication issues and provides suggestions on
> +how to avoid them and resolve them. These are **general** issues which affect **all**
> +online communication. As such, we can only try and do our best.
> +
> +### Misunderstandings
> +When you meet face to face, you can read a person’s emotions. Even with a phone call,
> +someone’s tone of voice can convey a lot of information. Using on-line communication
> +channels you are flying blind, which often leads to misunderstandings.
> +[Research](https://www.wired.com/2006/02/the-secret-cause-of-flame-wars/) shows
> +that in up to 50% of email conversations, the tone of voice is misinterpreted.
> +
> +In code reviews and technical discussions in general we tend to see two things
> +* The reviewer or author interprets an exchange as too critical, passive aggressive, or
> +other: this usually comes down to different cultures and communication styles, which
> +are covered in the next section
> +* There is an actual misunderstanding of a subject under discussion
> +
> +In the latter case, the key to resolution is to **identify the misunderstanding** as quickly
> +as possible and call it out and de-escalate rather than let the misunderstanding linger.
> +This is inherently difficult and requires more care than normal communication. Typically
> +you would start with
> +* Showing appreciation
> +* Highlighting the potential misunderstanding and verifying whether the other person
> + also feels that maybe there was a misunderstanding
> +* Proposing a way forward: for example, it may make sense to move the conversation
> + from the mailing list to [IRC](https://xenproject.org/help/irc/) either in private or public,
> + a community call or a private phone/video call.
> +
> +It is entirely acceptable to do this in a direct reply to your communication partner, rather
> +than on a public e-mail list on or an otherwise public forum.
> +
> +A good approach is to use something like the following:
> +> Hi XXX! Thank you for the insights you have given me in this code review
> +> I feel that we are misunderstanding each other on the topic of YYY
> +> Would you mind trying to resolve this on IRC. I am available at ZZZ
> +
> +Usually, technical misunderstandings come down two either
> +1. Misinterpreting what the other person meant
> +2. Different - usually unstated - assumptions on how something works or what is to be
> +achieved
> +3. Different - usually unstated - objectives and goals, which may be conflicting
> +4. Real differences in opinion
> +
> +The goal of calling out a possible misunderstanding is to establish what caused the
> +misunderstanding, such that all parties can move forward. Typically, 1 and 2 are easily
> +resolved and will lead back to a constructive discussion. Whereas 3 and 4 may highlight
> +an inherent disagreement, which may need to be resolved through techniques as
> +outlined in [Resolving Disagreement] (resolving-disagreement.md).
> +
> +### Cultural differences and different communication styles
> +The Xen Project is a global community with contributors from many different
> +backgrounds. Typically, when we communicate with a person we know, we factor
> +in past interactions. The less we know a person, the more we rely on cultural norms.
> +
> +However, different norms and value systems come into play when people from diverse
> +cultural backgrounds interact. That can lead to misunderstandings, especially in
> +sensitive situations such as conflict resolution, giving and receiving feedback, and
> +consensus building.
> +
> +For example, giving direct feedback such as
> +> [Please] replace XXX with YYY, as XXX does not do ZZZ
> +
> +is acceptable and normal in some cultures, whereas in cultures which value indirect
> +feedback it would be considered rude. In the latter case, something like the following
> +would be used
> +> This looks very good to me, but I believe you should use YYY here,
> +> because XXX would....
> +
> +The key to working and communicating well with people from different cultural
> +backgrounds is **self-awareness**, which can then be used to either
> +* Adapt your own communication style depending on who you talk to
> +* Or to find a middle-ground that covers most bases
> +
> +A number of different theories in the field of working effectively are currently popular,
> +with the most well-known one being
> +[Erin Meyer's Culture Map](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Meyer). A short overview
> +can be found
> +[here](https://www.nsf.gov/attachments/134059/public/15LFW_WorkingWithMulticulturalTeams_LarsonC.pdf)
> +[33 slides].
> +
> +### Code reviews and discussions are not competitions
> +Code reviews on our mailing lists are not competitions on who can come up with the
> +smartest solution or who is the real coding genius.
> +
> +In a code review - as well as in general - we expect that all stake-holders
> +* Gracefully accept constructive criticism
> +* Focus on what is best for the community
> +* Resolve differences in opinion effectively
> +
> +The next section provides pointers on how to do this effectively.
> +
> +### Resolving Disagreement Effectively
> +Common scenarios are covered our guide on
> +[Resolving Disagreement](resolving-disagreement.md), which lays out situations that
> +can lead to dead-lock and shows common patterns on how to avoid and resolve issues.
> --
> 2.13.0
>
Re: [PATCH v2 5/6] Add guide on Communication Best Practice [ In reply to ]
?On 27/11/2019, 18:57, "Stefano Stabellini" <sstabellini@kernel.org> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Sep 2019, Lars Kurth wrote:
> From: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com>
>
> This guide covers the bulk on Best Practice related to code review
> It primarily focusses on code review interactions
> It also covers how to deal with Misunderstandings and Cultural
> Differences
>
> Signed-off-by: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com>
> ---
> Cc: minios-devel@lists.xenproject.org
> Cc: xen-api@lists.xenproject.org
> Cc: win-pv-devel@lists.xenproject.org
> Cc: mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org
> Cc: committers@xenproject.org
> ---
> communication-practice.md | 410 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 1 file changed, 410 insertions(+)
> create mode 100644 communication-practice.md
>
> diff --git a/communication-practice.md b/communication-practice.md
> new file mode 100644
> index 0000000..db9a5ef
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/communication-practice.md
> @@ -0,0 +1,410 @@
> +# Communication Best Practice
> +
> +This guide provides communication Best Practice that helps you in
> +* Using welcoming and inclusive language
> +* Keeping discussions technical and actionable
> +* Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences
> +* Being aware of your own and counterpart’s communication style and culture
> +* Show empathy towards other community members
> +
> +## Code reviews for **reviewers** and **patch authors**
> +
> +Before embarking on a code review, it is important to remember that
> +* A poorly executed code review can hurt the contributors feeling, even when a reviewer
> + did not intend to do so. Feeling defensive is a normal reaction to a critique or feedback.
> + A reviewer should be aware of how the pitch, tone, or sentiment of their comments
> + could be interpreted by the contributor. The same applies to responses of an author
> + to the reviewer.
> +* When reviewing someone's code, you are ultimately looking for issues. A good code
> + reviewer is able to mentally separate finding issues from articulating code review
> + comments in a constructive and positive manner: depending on your personality this
> + can be **difficult** and you may need to develop a technique that works for you.
> +* As software engineers we like to be proud of the solutions we came up with. This can
> + make it easy to take another people’s criticism personally. Always remember that it is
> + the code that is being reviewed, not you as a person.
> +* When you receive code review feedback, please be aware that we have reviewers
> + from different backgrounds, communication styles and cultures. Although we all trying
> + to create a productive, welcoming and agile environment, we do not always succeed.
> +
> +### Express appreciation
> +As the nature of code review to find bugs and possible issues, it is very easy for
> +reviewers to get into a mode of operation where the patch review ends up being a list
> +of issues, not mentioning what is right and well done. This can lead to the code
> +submitter interpreting your feedback in a negative way.
> +
> +The opening of a code review provides an opportunity to address this and also sets the
> +tone for the rest of the code review. Starting **every** review on a positive note, helps
> +set the tone for the rest of the review.
> +
> +For an initial patch, you can use phrases such as
> +> Thanks for the patch
> +> Thanks for doing this
> +
> +For further revisions within a review, phrases such as
> +> Thank you for addressing the last set of changes
> +
> +If you believe the code was good, it is good practice to highlight this by using phrases
> +such as
> +> Looks good, just a few comments
> +> The changes you have made since the last version look good
> +
> +If you think there were issues too many with the code to use one of the phrases,
> +you can still start on a positive note, by for example saying
> +> I think this is a good change
> +> I think this is a good feature proposal
> +
> +It is also entirely fine to highlight specific changes as good. The best place to
> +do this, is at top of a patch, as addressing code review comments typically requires
^ the top


> +a contributor to go through the list of things to address and an in-lined positive
> +comment is likely to break that workflow.
> +
> +You should also consider, that if you review a patch of an experienced
> +contributor phrases such as *Thanks for the patch* could come across as
> +patronizing, while using *Thanks for doing this* is less likely to be interpreted
> +as such.
> +
> +Appreciation should also be expressed by patch authors when asking for clarifications
> +to a review or responding to questions. A simple
> +> Thank you for your feedback
> +> Thank you for your reply
> +> Thank you XXX!
> +
> +is normally sufficient.
> +
> +### Avoid opinion: stick to the facts
> +The way how a reviewer expresses feedback, has a big impact on how the author
> +perceives the feedback. Key to this is what we call **stick to the facts**. The same is
> +true when a patch author is responding to a comment from a reviewer.
> +
> +One of our maintainers has been studying Mandarin for several years and has come
> +across the most strongly-worded dictionary entry
> +[he has ever seen](https://youtu.be/ehZvBmrLRwg?t=834). This example
> +illustrates the problem of using opinion in code reviews vs. using facts extremely well.
> +
> +> ?? (guo3 jiao3): foot-binding (a vile feudal practice which crippled women both
> +> physically and spiritually)
> +
> +This is not something one is used to hearing from dictionary entries. Once you
> +investigate the practice foot-binding, it is hard to disagree with the dictionart entry.
> +However, the statement does not contain much information. If you read it without
> +knowing what foot-binding is, it is hard to be convinced by this statement. The main
> +take-away is that the author of the dictionary entry had strong opinions about this topic.
> +It does not tell you, why you should have the same opinion.
^ remove ,

> +
> +Compare this to the (Wikipedia entry)[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_binding]
> +
> +> Foot binding was the custom of applying tight binding to the feet of young girls to
> +> modify the shape and size of their feet. ... foot binding was a painful practice and
> +> significantly limited the mobility of women, resulting in lifelong disabilities for most of
> +> its subjects. ... Binding usually started during the winter months since the feet were
> +> more likely to be numb, and therefore the pain would not be as extreme. …The toes on
> +> each foot were curled under, then pressed with great force downwards and squeezed
> +> into the sole of the foot until the toes broke…
> +
> +Without going into the details of foot-binding, it is noticeable that none of what is written
> +above uses opinion which could be interpreted as inflammatory language. It is a list of
> +simple facts that are laid out in a way that make it obvious what the correct conclusion
> +is.
> +
> +Because the Wikipedia entry is entirely fact based it is more powerful and persuasive
> +then the dictionary entry. The same applies to code reviews.
> +
> +Making statements in code reviews such as
> +> Your code is garbage
> +> This idea is stupid
> +
> +besides being an opinion is rude and counter productive
> +* It will make the patch author angry: instead of finding a solution to the problem the
> + author will spend time and mental energy wrestling with their feelings
> +* It does not contain any information
> +* Facts are both more powerful and more persuasive
> +
> +Consider the following two pieces of feedback on a piece of code
> +> This piece of code is confusing
> +> It took me a long time to ?gure out what was going on here
> +
> +The first example expresses an opinion, whereas the second re-phrases the statement
> +in terms of what you experienced, which is a fact.
> +
> +Other examples:
> +> BAD: This is fragile
> +> SOMEWHAT BETTER: This seems fragile to me
> +> BEST: If X happens, Y will happen.
> +
> +A certain piece of code can be written in many different ways: this can lead to
> +disagreements on the best architecture, design or coding pattern. As already pointed out
> +in this section: avoid feedback that is opinion-based and thus does not add any value.
> +Back your criticism (or idea on how to solve a problem) with a sensible rationale.
> +
> +### Review the code, not the person
> +Without realizing it, it is easy to overlook the difference between insightful critique of
> +code and personal criticism. Let's look at a theoretical function where there is an
> +opportunity to return out of the function early. In this case, you could say
> +
> +> You should return from this function early, because of XXX
> +
> +On its own, there is nothing wrong with this statement. However, a code review is made
> +up of multiple comments and using **You should** consistently can start to feel negative
> +and can be mis-interpreted as a personal attack. Using something like avoids this issue:
> +
> +> Returning from this function early is better, because of XXX
> +
> +Without personal reference, a code review will communicate the problem, idea or issue
> +without risking mis-interpretation.
> +
> +### Verbose vs. terse
> +Due to the time it takes to review and compose code reviewer, reviewers often adopt a
> +terse style. It is not unusual to see review comments such as
> +> typo
> +> s/resions/regions/
> +> coding style
> +> coding style: brackets not needed
> +etc.
> +
> +Terse code review style has its place and can be productive for both the reviewer and
> +the author. However, overuse can come across as unfriendly, lacking empathy and
> +can thus create a negative impression with the author of a patch. This is in particular
> +true, when you do not know the author or the author is a newcomer. Terse
> +communication styles can also be perceived as rude in some cultures.
> +
> +If you tend to use a terse commenting style and you do not know whether the author
> +is OK with it, it is often a good idea to compensate for it in the code review opening
> +(where you express appreciation) or when there is a need for verbose expression.
> +
> +It is also entirely fine to mention that you have a fairly terse communication style
> +and ask whether the author is OK with it. In almost all cases, they will be: by asking
> +you are showing empathy that helps counteract a negative impression.
> +
> +### Code Review Comments should be actionable
> +Code review comments should be actionable: in other words, it needs to be clear
> +what the author of the code needs to do to address the issue you identified.
> +
> +Statements such as
> +> BAD: This is wrong
> +> BAD: This does not work
> +> BETTER, BUT NOT GOOD: This does not work, because of XXX
> +
> +do not normally provide the author of a patch with enough information to send out a
> +new patch version. By doing this, you essentially force the patch author to **find** and
> +**implement** an alternative, which then may also not be acceptable to you as the
> +**reviewer** of the patch.
> +
> +A better way to approach this is to say
> +
> +> This does not work, because of XXX
> +> You may want to investigate YYY and ZZZ as alternatives
> +
> +In some cases, it may not be clear whether YYY or ZZZ are the better solution. As a
> +reviewer you should be as up-front and possible in such a case and say something like
> +
> +> I am not sure whether YYY and ZZZ are better, so you may want to outline your
> +> thoughts about both solutions by e-mail first, such that we can decide what works
> +> best
> +
> +### Identify the severity of an issue or disagreement
> +By default, every comment which is made **ought to be addressed** by the author.
> +However, often reviewers note issues, which would be nice if they were addressed,
> +but are not mandatory.
> +
> +Typically, reviewers use terminology such as
> +> This would be a nice-to-have
> +> This is not a blocker
> +
> +Some maintainers use
> +> NIT: XXX
> +
> +however, it is sometimes also used to indicate a minor issue that **must** be fixed.
>
> +During a code review, it can happen that reviewer and author disagree on how to move
> +forward. The default position when it comes to disagreements is that **both parties
> +want to argue their case**. However, frequently one or both parties do not feel that
> +strongly about a specific issue.
> +
> +Within the Xen Project, we have [a way](https://xenproject.org/developers/governance/#expressingopinion)
> +to highlight one's position on proposals, formal or informal votes using the following
> +notation:
> +> +2 : I am happy with this proposal, and I will argue for it
> +> +1 : I am happy with this proposal, but will not argue for it
> +> 0 : I have no opinion
> +> -1 : I am not happy with this proposal, but will not argue against it
> +> -2 : I am not happy with this proposal, and I will argue against it
> +
> +You can use a phrase such as
> +> I am not happy with this suggestion, but will not argue against it
> +
> +to make clear where you stand, while recording your position. Conversely, a reviewer
> +may do something similar
> +> I am not happy with XYZ, but will not argue against it [anymore]
> +> What we have now is good enough, but could be better

It is not just about the willingness of somebody to argue a point, which
is the important thing when voting. During code reviews it is perfectly
fine to make suggestions which are just optional for multiple reasons,
including that they might be too taxing for the contributor.

So, I think we should add that it would be best to use words that make it
clear whether something is optional or whether it is required, see my
reply to patch #6, I wrote an example there.



> +### Authors: responding to review comments
> +Typically patch authors are expected to **address all** review comments in the next
> +version of a patch or patch series. In a smooth-running code review where you do not
> +have further questions it is not at all necessary to acknowledge the changes you are
> +going to make:
> +* Simply send the next version with the changes addressed and record it in the
> +change-log
> +
> +When there is discussion, the normal practice is to remove the portion of the e-mail
> +thread where there is agreement. Otherwise, the thread can become exceptionally
> +long.
> +
> +In cases where there was discussion and maybe disagreement, it does however make
> +sense to close the discussion by saying something like
> +
> +> ACK
> +> Seems we are agreed, I am going to do this
> +
> +Other situations when you may want to do this are cases where the reviewer made
> +optional suggestions, to make clear whether the suggestion will be followed or
> +not.
> +
> +### Avoid uncommon words: not everyone is a native English speaker
> +Avoid uncommon words both when reviewing code or responding to a review. Not
> +everyone is a native English speaker. The use of such words can come across badly and
> +can lead to misunderstandings.
> +
> +### Prioritize significant flaws
> +If a patch or patch series has significant flaws, such as
> +* It is built on wrong assumptions
> +* There are issues with the architecture or the design
> +
> +it does not make sense to do a detailed code review. In such cases, it is best to
> +focus on the major issues first and deal with style and minor issues in a subsequent
> +review. This reduces the workload on both the reviewer and patch author. However,
> +reviewers should make clear that they have omitted detailed review comments and
> +that these will come later.

Maybe we want to expand on this a bit. Not all series are based on
flawed assumptions, but all series have different class of changes that
are required for acceptance, from major code modifications to minor code
style fixes.

I think we should say that it is good practice to ask for any major
changes early on, during the first or second iteration of the series.
It would be best to avoid asking for major changes at v9 if possible.


Something else which is missing in this document, and it is purely for
reviewers, is to be careful doing reviews late in the cycle when another
maintainer/reviewer has already provided feedback on the series multiple
times previously. For instance, if reviewer R1 has been doing reviews
from the first version of the series and contributor C has been
addressing all comments, it would be best if reviewer R2 didn't come in
providing detailed feedback months later at v5, unless their requests
are actually strictly necessary (i.e. they spotted a bug). The main
reason is that it is difficult not to let your own personal style (code
style, the way to lay out the code) sip through review comments, and it
can cause double-effort for the author if he/she already made changes
according R1's personal style. However, in general, it would be best to
limit "personal style" requests for changes anyway, see my comment to
patch #6.

I see whether I can add something. I do like Rich's suggestion to use the Shift Left" terminology (https://devopedia.org/shift-left) of which this is kind of an instance. The same applies

I can put together a v2, with typos addressed and expand some sections.

Regards
Lars


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Re: [PATCH v2 5/6] Add guide on Communication Best Practice [ In reply to ]
?On 27/11/2019, 19:06, "Stefano Stabellini" <sstabellini@kernel.org> wrote:

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019, Jan Beulich wrote:
> On 26.09.2019 21:39, Lars Kurth wrote:
> > +### Verbose vs. terse
> > +Due to the time it takes to review and compose code reviewer, reviewers often adopt a
> > +terse style. It is not unusual to see review comments such as
> > +> typo
> > +> s/resions/regions/
> > +> coding style
> > +> coding style: brackets not needed
> > +etc.
> > +
> > +Terse code review style has its place and can be productive for both the reviewer and
> > +the author. However, overuse can come across as unfriendly, lacking empathy and
> > +can thus create a negative impression with the author of a patch. This is in particular
> > +true, when you do not know the author or the author is a newcomer. Terse
> > +communication styles can also be perceived as rude in some cultures.
>
> And another remark here: Not being terse in situations like the ones
> enumerated as examples above is a double waste of the reviewer's time:
> They shouldn't even need to make such comments, especially not many
> times for a single patch (see your mention of "overuse"). I realize
> we still have no automated mechanism to check style aspects, but
> anybody can easily look over their patches before submitting them.
> And for an occasional issue I think a terse reply is quite reasonable
> to have.
>
> Overall I'm seeing the good intentions of this document, yet I'd still
> vote at least -1 on it if it came to a vote. Following even just a
> fair part of it is a considerable extra amount of time to invest in
> reviews, when we already have a severe reviewing bottleneck. If I have
> to judge between doing a bad (stylistically according to this doc, not
> technically) review or none at all (because of time constraints), I'd
> favor the former. Unless of course I'm asked to stop doing so, in
> which case I'd expect whoever asks to arrange for the reviews to be
> done by someone else in due course.

Reading the document, I think Jan has a point that it gives the
impression that following the suggestions would take significant
efforts, while actually I don't think Lars meant it that way at all, and
I don't think it should be the case either.

Yes. Ultimately the effect of a better communication should overall be a net-positive in terms of effort.

Maybe we should highlight and encourage "clarity" instead of "verbosity"
of the communication, and encourage "expressing appreciation" to
newcomers, not necessarily to seasoned contributors.

Good idea

The ultimate goal of this document is actually to *reduce* our overall
efforts by making our communication more efficient, not to increase
efforts. Maybe it is worth saying this too.

It is worth saying this.

Regards
Lars



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