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Dear Florence,

You raise a valid concern that the COT has tried to mull over and the
current proposal at hand is to have the affiliates extend support to any
individuals or groups beyond their envelope.

Kind Regards,

Winnie



On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 4:37 PM Florence Devouard <fdevouard@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Winnie
>
>
> I would like a clarification
>
> Given that this year, scholarships are only open to Affiliates, and given
> that only 12 Affiliates actually submitted requests, where can the actual
> individuals that will participate to Wikimania ask for support ?
> I do understand the point of tasking the affiliates to deal with
> scholarship requests rather than having to deal with them at the Wikimedia
> Foundation level.
> But in the end... 12 Affiliates will possibly cover the needs of their own
> members.
>
> What about the several hundreds of participants that are not members of
> one of those 12 affiliates ? And who have no choice to turn to ?
>
> Did I miss something entirely ?
>
>
> Florence
>
>
> Le 14/06/2021 à 20:12, Winnie kabintie a écrit :
>
> Hello Hello!
>
> We are pleased with the program submissions, for Wikimania 2021, that have
> come through so far and even the planning discussions we’ve seen going on
> in various groups.
>
> SUBMISSION PROPOSALS DEADLINE APPROACHING: The deadline to submit your
> proposals is approaching rapidly, Friday, 18th June, 12am PST and we
> would not like to see anyone locked out. Please make sure you submit your
> session proposals <https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2021:Submissions>
> for the first ever virtual Wikimania.
>
> Office Hours
>
> Thank you to everyone who has joined the Submission Office Hours we’ve had
> last week. We have one more this week on 15th June at 12:00 UTC
> <https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2021:Organizers>. More Office Hours
> around Wikimania 2021 will become available soon… Stay tuned.
>
> Scholarships Program Now Open
>
> As announced last week, the scholarship program is now open until 30th
> July. This year, scholarships will only be issued to Affiliates, who will
> then distribute to their respective community members.
>
> Read More about the Scholarship Program for Wikimania 2021
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2021/Scholarships> (
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2021/Scholarships)
>
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Winnie Kabintie (User:Ms_Kabintie
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ms_Kabintie>), on behalf of the
> Wikimania 2021 Core Organizing Team.
>
>
>
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Thanks for the answer Winnie


This is a challenging solution...

If this is the path to go, then I think it would need clarifications on
that page : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2021/Scholarships

1) First, it would require a clarification to the individual people
looking for support that they should consider contacting one of the
approved group to ask them for individual support (taken into account
geography, currency, language, thematic... )

Right now... any person living in Europe, or in USA, or in Asia... would
rightfully wonder who they can ask to.
If I lived in Japan... what would be my best bet... should I ask
Wikimedia Polska or Wikimedia Ghana ? How much chance do I stand of
getting a favorable answer ? Probably none.
So if members were more aware of that, perhaps members would have the
time to make sure a UserGroup that would agree to support them, make an
application.

I think it would be a good idea to do that rapidly so that individuals
get to realize that they probably can ask no approved group. It might
give them to idea to contact their nearest UserGroup to ask them to apply.


2) I think the UserGroups which applied should be informed that they
might get some requests some completely unknown people from all over the
world. And they should make sure they have the mecanisms to actually
answer and support. Do they know that ?
So again, that means that... if I live in Japan... and I contact the
Ghana UserGroup to get supported... then the Ghana UserGroup would not
be surprised and would consider my request with appropriate interest and
willingness to support. Even though we do not speak the same language,
do not use the same currency, do not work on the same project etc.


Many usergroups do not have staff, nor even a bank account, and may not
be set-up to do international wire transferts.
For example, I am contact member of the offline usergroup. It would make
sense for the offline usergroup to receive some participation requests
since our operations are largely in countries where connexion data could
be big.
But the usergroup is just a group. There is no legal entity behind it;
nor staff to manage request; no bank account to wire money to anyone. So
can not help in anyway.


If you want my honest feedback on the solution you mention ("pick up one
of the affiliates which got funding and ask its team for support"), that
will generally NOT work.
Which means that the current system will only serve those with good
connexions and lucky enough that an affiliate they are members of, will
actually make the request.
Under an appearance of super cool Wikimania participation support (data,
childcare etc.), we are setting up a really unfair system, where people
will be supported based on their understanding and knowledge of the
ropes, and based on their involvement as members of an affiliate, and on
the proactiveness of the usergroups.


I am not blaming you, the COT team does within the constraints forced on
them. I do understand that and I fear there isn't much option to fix
that in less than a month. I do get that and if you have no solution to
offer, again, no blame.

But _for the record_, I think it is really a non-equitable process and
_I hope that it does not set the grounds to operate this way in the
future in simular circonstances_. I do not consider it a good governance
solution that a handful of affiliates make the decision on who gets
support and who does not, with no other built-in mecanisms at all.

Florence


Le 08/07/2021 à 22:07, Winnie kabintie a écrit :
> Dear Florence,
>
> You raise a valid concern that the COT has tried to mull over and the
> current proposal at hand is to have the affiliates extend support to
> any individuals or groups beyond their envelope.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Winnie
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 4:37 PM Florence Devouard <fdevouard@gmail.com
> <mailto:fdevouard@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hello Winnie
>
>
> I would like a clarification
>
> Given that this year, scholarships are only open to Affiliates,
> and given that only 12 Affiliates actually submitted requests,
> where can the actual individuals that will participate to
> Wikimania ask for support ?
> I do understand the point of tasking the affiliates to deal with
> scholarship requests rather than having to deal with them at the
> Wikimedia Foundation level.
> But in the end... 12 Affiliates will possibly cover the needs of
> their own members.
>
> What about the several hundreds of participants that are not
> members of one of those 12 affiliates ? And who have no choice to
> turn to ?
>
> Did I miss something entirely ?
>
>
> Florence
>
>
> Le 14/06/2021 à 20:12, Winnie kabintie a écrit :
>>
>> Hello Hello!
>>
>>
>> We are pleased with the program submissions, for Wikimania 2021,
>> that have come through so far and even the planning discussions
>> we’ve seen going on in various groups.
>>
>>
>> SUBMISSION PROPOSALS DEADLINE APPROACHING: The deadline to submit
>> your proposals is approaching rapidly, Friday, 18th June, 12am
>> PSTand we would not like to see anyone locked out. Please make
>> sure you submit your session proposals
>> <https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2021:Submissions>for the
>> first ever virtual Wikimania.
>>
>>
>> Office Hours
>>
>> Thank you to everyone who has joined the Submission Office Hours
>> we’ve had last week. We have one more this week on 15th June at
>> 12:00 UTC <https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2021:Organizers>.
>> More Office Hours around Wikimania 2021 will become available
>> soon… Stay tuned.
>>
>>
>> Scholarships Program Now Open
>>
>> As announced last week, the scholarship program is now open until
>> 30th July. This year, scholarships will only be issued to
>> Affiliates, who will then distribute to their respective
>> community members.
>>
>>
>> Read More about theScholarship Program for Wikimania 2021
>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2021/Scholarships>(https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2021/Scholarships
>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2021/Scholarships>)
>>
>>
>>
>> Best Wishes,
>>
>> Winnie Kabintie (User:Ms_Kabintie
>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ms_Kabintie>), on behalf of
>> the Wikimania 2021 Core Organizing Team.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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