Is there at present any metric by which previous scholarship attendees are
judged on their dissemination of Wikimania experiences after the
conference? The complaint being brought up is not only about awardees
getting repeat scholarships, but failing to enrich their communities
afterwards with what they learned / what it was like / who they met / what
they will do now. With a limited number of scholarships available, it is
true that the attendees are expected to share their good fortune with those
who couldn't attend.
If nothing like that is in place, could it not be added? For example, a
field on the application: "were you awarded a scholarship last year (and
attended)?" "If yes, please describe (and provide links where possible) to
the activities and discussions you organised with your community regarding
your experience at Wikimania". If a sufficiently good and detailed response
is not provided, the application can receive a lower score (or possibly be
discarded...? I'm not au fait with the process).
Julia W
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> Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to alter
> the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer WMF
> presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that was a
> one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania, and
> have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens
> with Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of
> financial cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship system
> is a perennial point of friction.
>
> Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full review
> of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the community? With
> WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year, and volunteers
> spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think that it would
> make sense to do this type of review, which might be possible to
> synchronize with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested in ensuring
> that there are SMART goals being achieved with all of the money and time
> that goes into Wikimania. At the same time, I think that the scholarship
> system could be reviewed to consider the strategic priorities for
> scholarships and how to align those priorities to SMART goals. I don't
> envision reducing funding for Wikimania and scholarships, but I think that
> some re-thinking and evaluation would be good to align funding with the WMF
> strategic plan and with SMART goals.
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <hjmwiki@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of the
> > other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on
> > scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board
> > members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same
> old
> > faces year in, year out.
> >
> > Harry Mitchell
> > http://enwp.org/User:HJ
> > +44 (0) 7507 536 971
> > Skype: harry_j_mitchell
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> I have attended several Wikimanias.
> I would have thought that with the Wikipedias being voluntary
> contributed and managed projects, that the conference shoud have a sharp
> focus on attendance and presentations by the communities.
> However, this is not the case. Presentation time is, IMO, excessively
> allocated to various speakers from the salaried staff.
> This has been brought up on several occasions.
> In some instances, some presentations have had almost duplicate content.
> Many Foundations take on a promotional aspect of the WMF’s work.
> The credit for the entire movement should go to the community
> volunteers.
>
> Kudpung
>
> > On 01, Jun2018, at 08:31, Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to
> alter the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer
> WMF presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that
> was a one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania,
> and have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens
> with Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of
> financial cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship system
> is a perennial point of friction.
> >
> > Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full
> review of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the
> community? With WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year,
> and volunteers spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think
> that it would make sense to do this type of review, which might be possible
> to synchronize with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested in
> ensuring that there are SMART goals being achieved with all of the money
> and time that goes into Wikimania. At the same time, I think that the
> scholarship system could be reviewed to consider the strategic priorities
> for scholarships and how to align those priorities to SMART goals. I don't
> envision reducing funding for Wikimania and scholarships, but I think that
> some re-thinking and evaluation would be good to align funding with the WMF
> strategic plan and with SMART goals.
> >
> > Pine
> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine <https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> wiki/User:Pine> )
> >
> > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <hjmwiki@gmail.com
> <mailto:hjmwiki@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of
> the other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on
> scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board
> members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same old
> faces year in, year out.
> >
> > Harry Mitchell
> > http://enwp.org/User:HJ <http://enwp.org/User:HJ>
> > +44 (0) 7507 536 971
> > Skype: harry_j_mitchell
> >
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judged on their dissemination of Wikimania experiences after the
conference? The complaint being brought up is not only about awardees
getting repeat scholarships, but failing to enrich their communities
afterwards with what they learned / what it was like / who they met / what
they will do now. With a limited number of scholarships available, it is
true that the attendees are expected to share their good fortune with those
who couldn't attend.
If nothing like that is in place, could it not be added? For example, a
field on the application: "were you awarded a scholarship last year (and
attended)?" "If yes, please describe (and provide links where possible) to
the activities and discussions you organised with your community regarding
your experience at Wikimania". If a sufficiently good and detailed response
is not provided, the application can receive a lower score (or possibly be
discarded...? I'm not au fait with the process).
Julia W
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> Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to alter
> the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer WMF
> presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that was a
> one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania, and
> have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens
> with Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of
> financial cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship system
> is a perennial point of friction.
>
> Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full review
> of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the community? With
> WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year, and volunteers
> spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think that it would
> make sense to do this type of review, which might be possible to
> synchronize with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested in ensuring
> that there are SMART goals being achieved with all of the money and time
> that goes into Wikimania. At the same time, I think that the scholarship
> system could be reviewed to consider the strategic priorities for
> scholarships and how to align those priorities to SMART goals. I don't
> envision reducing funding for Wikimania and scholarships, but I think that
> some re-thinking and evaluation would be good to align funding with the WMF
> strategic plan and with SMART goals.
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <hjmwiki@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of the
> > other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on
> > scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board
> > members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same
> old
> > faces year in, year out.
> >
> > Harry Mitchell
> > http://enwp.org/User:HJ
> > +44 (0) 7507 536 971
> > Skype: harry_j_mitchell
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> I have attended several Wikimanias.
> I would have thought that with the Wikipedias being voluntary
> contributed and managed projects, that the conference shoud have a sharp
> focus on attendance and presentations by the communities.
> However, this is not the case. Presentation time is, IMO, excessively
> allocated to various speakers from the salaried staff.
> This has been brought up on several occasions.
> In some instances, some presentations have had almost duplicate content.
> Many Foundations take on a promotional aspect of the WMF’s work.
> The credit for the entire movement should go to the community
> volunteers.
>
> Kudpung
>
> > On 01, Jun2018, at 08:31, Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to
> alter the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer
> WMF presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that
> was a one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania,
> and have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens
> with Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of
> financial cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship system
> is a perennial point of friction.
> >
> > Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full
> review of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the
> community? With WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year,
> and volunteers spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think
> that it would make sense to do this type of review, which might be possible
> to synchronize with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested in
> ensuring that there are SMART goals being achieved with all of the money
> and time that goes into Wikimania. At the same time, I think that the
> scholarship system could be reviewed to consider the strategic priorities
> for scholarships and how to align those priorities to SMART goals. I don't
> envision reducing funding for Wikimania and scholarships, but I think that
> some re-thinking and evaluation would be good to align funding with the WMF
> strategic plan and with SMART goals.
> >
> > Pine
> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine <https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> wiki/User:Pine> )
> >
> > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <hjmwiki@gmail.com
> <mailto:hjmwiki@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of
> the other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on
> scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board
> members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same old
> faces year in, year out.
> >
> > Harry Mitchell
> > http://enwp.org/User:HJ <http://enwp.org/User:HJ>
> > +44 (0) 7507 536 971
> > Skype: harry_j_mitchell
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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