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Thanks for sharing the information.

Cheers,
Balaji

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 11:19 PM, Ellie Young <eyoung@wikimedia.org> wrote:

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> *All,Here's an update on various activities pertaining to the
> upcomingWikimania '18 which is being held July 18-22 in Cape Town, South
> Africa.WMF Scholarship Program: 135 people were offered and subsequently
> accepteda full or partial scholarship to attend. The awardees are listed
> by usernames and the list is posted
> here:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars>Submissions:
> The program committee has just finished its review anddeliberations.
> Rejections and acceptance emails have gone out in the past week. 95% of
> the accepted submissions are listed
> at:https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program
> <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program>Plenaries and other
> sessions will be listed soon and a scheduled program in June.Registration
> and accommodation information is now up for everyone
> at:https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration
> <https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration>https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation
> <https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation>If you are a
> scholarship or other WMF funded attendee (staff, contractor,board, etc),
> please wait until you hear from the WMF with your registrationand
> accommodation instructions.If you have any questions about the conference,
> please emailwikimania-info at wikimedia.org
> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>Please spread the
> word!!!!On behalf of the Wikimania '18 Organizing TeamEllie YoungEvents
> Manager, Wikimedia Foundation
> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>?*
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> Ellie Young
> Events Manager
> Wikimedia Foundation
> eyoung@wikimedia.org
> c. 510 701 8649
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> _______________________________________________
> Wikimania-l mailing list
> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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Thank you Ellie!

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Ellie Young <eyoung@wikimedia.org> wrote:

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> at:https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration
> <https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration>https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation
> <https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation>*
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Just a note, while the text is right these links are directed toward the
2017 pages.

Here are the correct ones:

https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration
https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation

Jaqen

Hi,

Congratulation to all the selection committee who break the tradition[1]
of selecting  one of the Malayalam communities two permanent Wikimania
attendees, by selecting both of them.

Congratulation to User:Netha Hussain & User:viswaprabha also.

[1] "Granting Scholarship to same persons every year" thread,
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html

~User:Praveenp


On Tuesday 15 May 2018 11:19 PM, Ellie Young wrote:
> *
>
> All,
>
>
> Here's an update on various activities pertaining to the
> upcomingWikimania '18  which is being held July 18-22 in Cape Town,
> South Africa.
>
> WMF Scholarship Program:  135 people were offered and subsequently
> accepteda full or partial scholarship to attend.  The awardees are
> listed by usernames and the list is posted
> here:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholarsSubmissions:
>  The program committee has just finished its review anddeliberations. 
> Rejections and acceptance emails  have gone out in the past week.
>
> 95% of the accepted submissions are listed at:
>
>
> https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program
>
>
> Plenaries and other sessions will be listed soon and a scheduled
> program  in June.
>
> Registration and accommodation information is now up for everyone
> at:https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration>https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation>If
> you are a scholarship or other WMF funded attendee (staff,
> contractor,board, etc), please wait until you hear from the WMF with
> your registrationand accommodation instructions.If you have any
> questions about the conference, please emailwikimania-info at
> wikimedia.org<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>Please
> spread the word!!!!On behalf of the Wikimania '18 Organizing Team
>
> Ellie YoungEvents Manager, Wikimedia
> Foundation<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>?
>
> *
>
>
> --
> Ellie Young
> Events Manager
> Wikimedia Foundation
> eyoung@wikimedia.org <mailto:eyoung@wikimedia.org>
> c. 510 701 8649
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimania-l mailing list
> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

Given the context of the previous email you sent, I am assuming this is
more a complaint that you didn't get selected than that the other two got
selected.

Similarly to the previous time you tried to have this discussion - I feel
uncomfortable to make this about individuals.

Is there a way to give rejected applicants more feedback on which factors
play a main role, so that they can learn from it, especially if there is
something they could improve in their application. I would add two
sidenotes here though: it should only be provided on request (no need to
rub people's noses into something unnecessarily) and it seems only viable
at a level that can be easily extracted from the process (high level).

Perhaps someone who knows the scholarship committee's work intimately could
comment.

Best,
Lodewijk

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM, praveenp <me.praveen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Congratulation to all the selection committee who break the tradition[1]
> of selecting one of the Malayalam communities two permanent Wikimania
> attendees, by selecting both of them.
>
> Congratulation to User:Netha Hussain & User:viswaprabha also.
>
> [1] "Granting Scholarship to same persons every year" thread,
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html
>
> ~User:Praveenp
>
> On Tuesday 15 May 2018 11:19 PM, Ellie Young wrote:
>
>
>
>
> * All, Here's an update on various activities pertaining to the upcoming
> Wikimania '18 which is being held July 18-22 in Cape Town, South Africa.
> WMF Scholarship Program: 135 people were offered and subsequently accepted
> a full or partial scholarship to attend. The awardees are listed by user
> names and the list is posted here:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars>Submissions:
> The program committee has just finished its review and deliberations.
> Rejections and acceptance emails have gone out in the past week. 95% of
> the accepted submissions are listed at:
> https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program
> <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program> Plenaries and other
> sessions will be listed soon and a scheduled program in June. Registration
> and accommodation information is now up for everyone at:
> https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration
> <https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration>https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation
> <https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation>If you are a
> scholarship or other WMF funded attendee (staff, contractor, board, etc),
> please wait until you hear from the WMF with your registration and
> accommodation instructions. If you have any questions about the conference,
> please email wikimania-info at wikimedia.org
> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>Please spread the
> word!!!! On behalf of the Wikimania '18 Organizing Team Ellie Young Events
> Manager, Wikimedia Foundation
> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>? *
>
>
> --
> Ellie Young
> Events Manager
> Wikimedia Foundation
> eyoung@wikimedia.org
> c. 510 701 8649
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimania-l mailing listWikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>
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>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimania-l mailing list
> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>
>

Hi,

As I have said last year, this is not a complaint that I didn't get
selected. This is not personal. This is about same persons receiving
Wikimania scholarship year after year repeatedly. I am just using
familiar user names from a familiar community, who got many repeated
scholarships.

Even after I argued that none of these 'permanent scholarship receivers'
sharing anything to community, I haven't seen any attempt to share the
knowledge and wisdom acquired from Wikimania to community through
mailing list or wiki. Users including me generally feel that community
is being mocked on.

I tried to keep myself away from local discussion about this, but
injustice is so clear. And nobody is ready to discuss it openly, most
probably because of the 'incompetency shaming' in almost all replies.

~user:Praveenp


On Tuesday 29 May 2018 11:19 PM, Lodewijk wrote:
> Given the context of the previous email you sent, I am assuming this
> is more a complaint that you didn't get selected than that the other
> two got selected.
>
> Similarly to the previous time you tried to have this discussion - I
> feel uncomfortable to make this about individuals.
>
> Is there a way to give rejected applicants more feedback on which
> factors play a main role, so that they can learn from it, especially
> if there is something they could improve in their application. I would
> add two sidenotes here though: it should only be provided on request
> (no need to rub people's noses into something unnecessarily) and it
> seems only viable at a level that can be easily extracted from the
> process (high level).
>
> Perhaps someone who knows the scholarship committee's work intimately
> could comment.
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM, praveenp <me.praveen@gmail.com
> <mailto:me.praveen@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Congratulation to all the selection committee who break the
> tradition[1] of selecting  one of the Malayalam communities two
> permanent Wikimania attendees, by selecting both of them.
>
> Congratulation to User:Netha Hussain & User:viswaprabha also.
>
> [1] "Granting Scholarship to same persons every year" thread,
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html
> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html>
>
> ~User:Praveenp
>
>
> On Tuesday 15 May 2018 11:19 PM, Ellie Young wrote:
>> *
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>> Here's an update on various activities pertaining to the
>> upcomingWikimania '18  which is being held July 18-22 in Cape
>> Town, South Africa.
>>
>> WMF Scholarship Program:  135 people were offered and
>> subsequently accepteda full or partial scholarship to attend. 
>> The awardees are listed by usernames and the list is posted
>> here:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars>Submissions:
>>  The program committee has just finished its review
>> anddeliberations.  Rejections and acceptance emails  have gone
>> out in the past week.
>>
>> 95% of the accepted submissions are listed at:
>>
>>
>> https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program
>> <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program>
>>
>>
>> Plenaries and other sessions will be listed soon and a scheduled
>> program  in June.
>>
>> Registration and accommodation information is now up for everyone
>> at:https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration>https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation>If
>> you are a scholarship or other WMF funded attendee (staff,
>> contractor,board, etc), please wait until you hear from the WMF
>> with your registrationand accommodation instructions.If you have
>> any questions about the conference, please emailwikimania-info at
>> wikimedia.org<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>Please
>> spread the word!!!!On behalf of the Wikimania '18 Organizing Team
>>
>> Ellie YoungEvents Manager, Wikimedia
>> Foundation<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>?
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ellie Young
>> Events Manager
>> Wikimedia Foundation
>> eyoung@wikimedia.org <mailto:eyoung@wikimedia.org>
>> c. 510 701 8649
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikimania-l mailing list
>> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> <mailto:Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> <mailto:Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimania-l mailing list
> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

On 29.05.2018 20:33, praveenp wrote:
> I haven't seen any attempt to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired
> from Wikimania to community through mailing list or wiki. Users
> including me generally feel that community is being mocked on.

Hi to all,
without being too original here, and following praveenp comments - would
be good to encourage recipients of WMF scholarship to organize some type
of Wikimania follow-up activities back in their groups or chapters.

I do believe that most of them are doing it anyway without any
requirements from WMF, but if majority would  do it - we could have
something as a ”permanent Wikimania” unfolding globally for a couple of
months after the official Wikimania.

regards,
/gheorghe



> Hi,
>
> As I have said last year, this is not a complaint that I didn't get
> selected. This is not personal. This is about same persons receiving
> Wikimania scholarship year after year repeatedly. I am just using
> familiar user names from a familiar community, who got many repeated
> scholarships.
>
> Even after I argued that none of these 'permanent scholarship
> receivers' sharing anything to community, I haven't seen any attempt
> to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired from Wikimania to community
> through mailing list or wiki. Users including me generally feel that
> community is being mocked on.
>
> I tried to keep myself away from local discussion about this, but
> injustice is so clear. And nobody is ready to discuss it openly, most
> probably because of the 'incompetency shaming' in almost all replies.
>
> ~user:Praveenp
>
>
> On Tuesday 29 May 2018 11:19 PM, Lodewijk wrote:
> Given the context of the previous email you sent, I am assuming this
> is more a complaint that you didn't get selected than that the other
> two got selected. 
>
> Similarly to the previous time you tried to have this discussion - I
> feel uncomfortable to make this about individuals. 
>
> Is there a way to give rejected applicants more feedback on which
> factors play a main role, so that they can learn from it, especially
> if there is something they could improve in their application. I would
> add two sidenotes here though: it should only be provided on request
> (no need to rub people's noses into something unnecessarily) and it
> seems only viable at a level that can be easily extracted from the
> process (high level). 
>
> Perhaps someone who knows the scholarship committee's work intimately
> could comment. 
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM, praveenp <me.praveen@gmail.com
> <mailto:me.praveen@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Congratulation to all the selection committee who break the
> tradition[1] of selecting  one of the Malayalam communities two
> permanent Wikimania attendees, by selecting both of them.
>
> Congratulation to User:Netha Hussain & User:viswaprabha also.
>
> [1] "Granting Scholarship to same persons every year" thread,
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html
> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html>
>
> ~User:Praveenp
>
>
> On Tuesday 15 May 2018 11:19 PM, Ellie Young wrote:
> *
>
> All,
>
>
> Here's an update on various activities pertaining to the
> upcomingWikimania '18  which is being held July 18-22 in Cape Town,
> South Africa.
>
> WMF Scholarship Program:  135 people were offered and subsequently
> accepteda full or partial scholarship to attend.  The awardees are
> listed by usernames and the list is posted
> here:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars>Submissions:
>  The program committee has just finished its review anddeliberations. 
> Rejections and acceptance emails  have gone out in the past week.
>
> 95% of the accepted submissions are listed at:
>
>
> https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program
> <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program>
>
>
> Plenaries and other sessions will be listed soon and a scheduled
> program  in June.
>
> Registration and accommodation information is now up for everyone
> at:https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration>https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation>If
> you are a scholarship or other WMF funded attendee (staff,
> contractor,board, etc), please wait until you hear from the WMF with
> your registrationand accommodation instructions.If you have any
> questions about the conference, please emailwikimania-info at
> wikimedia.org<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>Please
> spread the word!!!!On behalf of the Wikimania '18 Organizing Team
>
> Ellie YoungEvents Manager, Wikimedia
> Foundation<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>?
>
> *




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Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org
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I am also concerned about the same people repeatedly receiving scholarships, and this is by no way of complaining that I did not receive one.
As I said last year however, I believe it is also inappropriate to inform applicants that they have been placed on a short list. Not only does this raise false hopes, but as many applications are based on the users' intentions to submit a presentation, it incurs a serious waste of volunteers' time.

I also believe that active Wikipedia users who have financed their own participation in the conference multiple times should also be given priority consideration.

I fully understand that the according of scholarships is a complex and difficult task. As a former volunteer scholarship approvals committee member, I think I have some experience in these maters.

Not one single Wikimania has been organised without serious issues which often result in attendees’ negative experience.
Perhaps the solution would be to have the entire concept of Wikimania place in the hands of an experienced volunteer task force of former conference organizers, presenters, and attendees who will have learned from previous errors and adminstartive organisational hiccups. Funds should also be made available for face-to-face meetings for the organisation of such an important event.

Having a truly executive Board of Trustees rather than one that simply rubber stamps the way the WMF works, in this and most other areas, may be a step towards addressing these issues.

Kudpung

> On 30, May2018, at 01:59, Gheorghe Zugravu <zugravu.gheorghe@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 29.05.2018 20:33, praveenp wrote:
>> I haven't seen any attempt to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired
>> from Wikimania to community through mailing list or wiki. Users
>> including me generally feel that community is being mocked on.
>
> Hi to all,
> without being too original here, and following praveenp comments - would
> be good to encourage recipients of WMF scholarship to organize some type
> of Wikimania follow-up activities back in their groups or chapters.
>
> I do believe that most of them are doing it anyway without any
> requirements from WMF, but if majority would do it - we could have
> something as a ”permanent Wikimania” unfolding globally for a couple of
> months after the official Wikimania.
>
> regards,
> /gheorghe
>
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As I have said last year, this is not a complaint that I didn't get
>> selected. This is not personal. This is about same persons receiving
>> Wikimania scholarship year after year repeatedly. I am just using
>> familiar user names from a familiar community, who got many repeated
>> scholarships.
>>
>> Even after I argued that none of these 'permanent scholarship
>> receivers' sharing anything to community, I haven't seen any attempt
>> to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired from Wikimania to community
>> through mailing list or wiki. Users including me generally feel that
>> community is being mocked on.
>>
>> I tried to keep myself away from local discussion about this, but
>> injustice is so clear. And nobody is ready to discuss it openly, most
>> probably because of the 'incompetency shaming' in almost all replies.
>>
>> ~user:Praveenp
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday 29 May 2018 11:19 PM, Lodewijk wrote:
>> Given the context of the previous email you sent, I am assuming this
>> is more a complaint that you didn't get selected than that the other
>> two got selected.
>>
>> Similarly to the previous time you tried to have this discussion - I
>> feel uncomfortable to make this about individuals.
>>
>> Is there a way to give rejected applicants more feedback on which
>> factors play a main role, so that they can learn from it, especially
>> if there is something they could improve in their application. I would
>> add two sidenotes here though: it should only be provided on request
>> (no need to rub people's noses into something unnecessarily) and it
>> seems only viable at a level that can be easily extracted from the
>> process (high level).
>>
>> Perhaps someone who knows the scholarship committee's work intimately
>> could comment.
>>
>> Best,
>> Lodewijk
>>
>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM, praveenp <me.praveen@gmail.com
>> <mailto:me.praveen@gmail.com <mailto:me.praveen@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Congratulation to all the selection committee who break the
>> tradition[1] of selecting one of the Malayalam communities two
>> permanent Wikimania attendees, by selecting both of them.
>>
>> Congratulation to User:Netha Hussain & User:viswaprabha also.
>>
>> [1] "Granting Scholarship to same persons every year" thread,
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html>
>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html>>
>>
>> ~User:Praveenp
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday 15 May 2018 11:19 PM, Ellie Young wrote:
>> *
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>> Here's an update on various activities pertaining to the
>> upcomingWikimania '18 which is being held July 18-22 in Cape Town,
>> South Africa.
>>
>> WMF Scholarship Program: 135 people were offered and subsequently
>> accepteda full or partial scholarship to attend. The awardees are
>> listed by usernames and the list is posted
>> here:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars>Submissions: <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars%3Chttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars%3ESubmissions:>
>> The program committee has just finished its review anddeliberations.
>> Rejections and acceptance emails have gone out in the past week.
>>
>> 95% of the accepted submissions are listed at:
>>
>>
>> https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program>
>> <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program>>
>>
>>
>> Plenaries and other sessions will be listed soon and a scheduled
>> program in June.
>>
>> Registration and accommodation information is now up for everyone
>> at:https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration>https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation>If <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration%3Chttps://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration%3Ehttps://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation%3Chttps://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation%3EIf>
>> you are a scholarship or other WMF funded attendee (staff,
>> contractor,board, etc), please wait until you hear from the WMF with
>> your registrationand accommodation instructions.If you have any
>> questions about the conference, please emailwikimania-info at
>> wikimedia.org <http://wikimedia.org/><https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>>Please
>> spread the word!!!!On behalf of the Wikimania '18 Organizing Team
>>
>> Ellie YoungEvents Manager, Wikimedia
>> Foundation<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>>?
>>
>> *
>
>
>
>
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Just for the information of all those who read this thread,
I did not get selected this year through the normal scholarship filtration
process. I happen to be among those who could not attend Wikimania 2017 at
Montreal, even after going through all these bashing and grillings and then
obtaining a valid scholarship last year, due to the so called 'Canadian
visa' problem.
So, for me, scholarship to Wikimania 2018 was an automatic fall-in. Please
reset your counters.
My total Wikimania participation till date:
2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico.

Regards,
User:Viswaprabha


On 30 May 2018 at 06:19, cs <cs@edubkk.org> wrote:

> I am also concerned about the same people repeatedly receiving
> scholarships, and this is by no way of complaining that I did not
> receive one.
> As I said last year however, I believe it is also inappropriate to
> inform applicants that they have been placed on a short list. Not
> only does this raise false hopes, but as many applications are based on
> the users' intentions to submit a presentation, it incurs a serious
> waste of volunteers' time.
>
> I also believe that active Wikipedia users who have financed their own
> participation in the conference multiple times should also be given
> priority consideration.
>
> I fully understand that the according of scholarships is a complex and
> difficult task. As a former volunteer scholarship approvals committee
> member, I think I have some experience in these maters.
>
> Not one single Wikimania has been organised without serious issues which
> often result in attendees’ negative experience.
> Perhaps the solution would be to have the entire concept of Wikimania
> place in the hands of an experienced volunteer task force of former
> conference organizers, presenters, and attendees who will have learned
> from previous errors and adminstartive organisational hiccups. Funds
> should also be made available for face-to-face meetings for the
> organisation of such an important event.
>
> Having a truly executive Board of Trustees rather than one that simply
> rubber stamps the way the WMF works, in this and most other areas, may
> be a step towards addressing these issues.
>
> Kudpung
>
> On 30, May2018, at 01:59, Gheorghe Zugravu <zugravu.gheorghe@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> On 29.05.2018 20:33, praveenp wrote:
>
> I haven't seen any attempt to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired
> from Wikimania to community through mailing list or wiki. Users
> including me generally feel that community is being mocked on.
>
>
> Hi to all,
> without being too original here, and following praveenp comments - would
> be good to encourage recipients of WMF scholarship to organize some type
> of Wikimania follow-up activities back in their groups or chapters.
>
> I do believe that most of them are doing it anyway without any
> requirements from WMF, but if majority would do it - we could have
> something as a ”permanent Wikimania” unfolding globally for a couple of
> months after the official Wikimania.
>
> regards,
> /gheorghe
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> As I have said last year, this is not a complaint that I didn't get
> selected. This is not personal. This is about same persons receiving
> Wikimania scholarship year after year repeatedly. I am just using
> familiar user names from a familiar community, who got many repeated
> scholarships.
>
> Even after I argued that none of these 'permanent scholarship
> receivers' sharing anything to community, I haven't seen any attempt
> to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired from Wikimania to community
> through mailing list or wiki. Users including me generally feel that
> community is being mocked on.
>
> I tried to keep myself away from local discussion about this, but
> injustice is so clear. And nobody is ready to discuss it openly, most
> probably because of the 'incompetency shaming' in almost all replies.
>
> ~user:Praveenp
>
>
> On Tuesday 29 May 2018 11:19 PM, Lodewijk wrote:
> Given the context of the previous email you sent, I am assuming this
> is more a complaint that you didn't get selected than that the other
> two got selected.
>
> Similarly to the previous time you tried to have this discussion - I
> feel uncomfortable to make this about individuals.
>
> Is there a way to give rejected applicants more feedback on which
> factors play a main role, so that they can learn from it, especially
> if there is something they could improve in their application. I would
> add two sidenotes here though: it should only be provided on request
> (no need to rub people's noses into something unnecessarily) and it
> seems only viable at a level that can be easily extracted from the
> process (high level).
>
> Perhaps someone who knows the scholarship committee's work intimately
> could comment.
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM, praveenp <me.praveen@gmail.com
> <mailto:me.praveen@gmail.com <me.praveen@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Congratulation to all the selection committee who break the
> tradition[1] of selecting one of the Malayalam communities two
> permanent Wikimania attendees, by selecting both of them.
>
> Congratulation to User:Netha Hussain & User:viswaprabha also.
>
> [1] "Granting Scholarship to same persons every year" thread,
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html
> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html>
>
> ~User:Praveenp
>
>
> On Tuesday 15 May 2018 11:19 PM, Ellie Young wrote:
> *
>
> All,
>
>
> Here's an update on various activities pertaining to the
> upcomingWikimania '18 which is being held July 18-22 in Cape Town,
> South Africa.
>
> WMF Scholarship Program: 135 people were offered and subsequently
> accepteda full or partial scholarship to attend. The awardees are
> listed by usernames and the list is posted
> here:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_
> scholars<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars>
> Submissions:
> The program committee has just finished its review anddeliberations.
> Rejections and acceptance emails have gone out in the past week.
>
> 95% of the accepted submissions are listed at:
>
>
> https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program
> <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program>
>
>
> Plenaries and other sessions will be listed soon and a scheduled
> program in June.
>
> Registration and accommodation information is now up for everyone
> at:https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration<https://
> wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration>https://
> wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation<https://
> wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation>If
> you are a scholarship or other WMF funded attendee (staff,
> contractor,board, etc), please wait until you hear from the WMF with
> your registrationand accommodation instructions.If you have any
> questions about the conference, please emailwikimania-info at
> wikimedia.org<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
> >Please
> spread the word!!!!On behalf of the Wikimania '18 Organizing Team
>
> Ellie YoungEvents Manager, Wikimedia
> Foundation<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>?
>
> *
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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>

Visswaprabha,

'2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico.'

and for how many of those did you get a scholarship?

Kudpung

> On 30 May 2018, at 13:28, ViswaPrabha (?????????) <viswaprabha@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just for the information of all those who read this thread,
> I did not get selected this year through the normal scholarship filtration process. I happen to be among those who could not attend Wikimania 2017 at Montreal, even after going through all these bashing and grillings and then obtaining a valid scholarship last year, due to the so called 'Canadian visa' problem.
> So, for me, scholarship to Wikimania 2018 was an automatic fall-in. Please reset your counters.
> My total Wikimania participation till date:
> 2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico.
>
> Regards,
> User:Viswaprabha
>
>
> On 30 May 2018 at 06:19, cs <cs@edubkk.org <mailto:cs@edubkk.org>> wrote:
> I am also concerned about the same people repeatedly receiving scholarships, and this is by no way of complaining that I did not receive one.
> As I said last year however, I believe it is also inappropriate to inform applicants that they have been placed on a short list. Not only does this raise false hopes, but as many applications are based on the users' intentions to submit a presentation, it incurs a serious waste of volunteers' time.
>
> I also believe that active Wikipedia users who have financed their own participation in the conference multiple times should also be given priority consideration.
>
> I fully understand that the according of scholarships is a complex and difficult task. As a former volunteer scholarship approvals committee member, I think I have some experience in these maters.
>
> Not one single Wikimania has been organised without serious issues which often result in attendees’ negative experience.
> Perhaps the solution would be to have the entire concept of Wikimania place in the hands of an experienced volunteer task force of former conference organizers, presenters, and attendees who will have learned from previous errors and adminstartive organisational hiccups. Funds should also be made available for face-to-face meetings for the organisation of such an important event.
>
> Having a truly executive Board of Trustees rather than one that simply rubber stamps the way the WMF works, in this and most other areas, may be a step towards addressing these issues.
>
> Kudpung
>
>> On 30, May2018, at 01:59, Gheorghe Zugravu <zugravu.gheorghe@gmail.com <mailto:zugravu.gheorghe@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> On 29.05.2018 20:33, praveenp wrote:
>>> I haven't seen any attempt to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired
>>> from Wikimania to community through mailing list or wiki. Users
>>> including me generally feel that community is being mocked on.
>>
>> Hi to all,
>> without being too original here, and following praveenp comments - would
>> be good to encourage recipients of WMF scholarship to organize some type
>> of Wikimania follow-up activities back in their groups or chapters.
>>
>> I do believe that most of them are doing it anyway without any
>> requirements from WMF, but if majority would do it - we could have
>> something as a ”permanent Wikimania” unfolding globally for a couple of
>> months after the official Wikimania.
>>
>> regards,
>> /gheorghe
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As I have said last year, this is not a complaint that I didn't get
>>> selected. This is not personal. This is about same persons receiving
>>> Wikimania scholarship year after year repeatedly. I am just using
>>> familiar user names from a familiar community, who got many repeated
>>> scholarships.
>>>
>>> Even after I argued that none of these 'permanent scholarship
>>> receivers' sharing anything to community, I haven't seen any attempt
>>> to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired from Wikimania to community
>>> through mailing list or wiki. Users including me generally feel that
>>> community is being mocked on.
>>>
>>> I tried to keep myself away from local discussion about this, but
>>> injustice is so clear. And nobody is ready to discuss it openly, most
>>> probably because of the 'incompetency shaming' in almost all replies.
>>>
>>> ~user:Praveenp
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday 29 May 2018 11:19 PM, Lodewijk wrote:
>>> Given the context of the previous email you sent, I am assuming this
>>> is more a complaint that you didn't get selected than that the other
>>> two got selected.
>>>
>>> Similarly to the previous time you tried to have this discussion - I
>>> feel uncomfortable to make this about individuals.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to give rejected applicants more feedback on which
>>> factors play a main role, so that they can learn from it, especially
>>> if there is something they could improve in their application. I would
>>> add two sidenotes here though: it should only be provided on request
>>> (no need to rub people's noses into something unnecessarily) and it
>>> seems only viable at a level that can be easily extracted from the
>>> process (high level).
>>>
>>> Perhaps someone who knows the scholarship committee's work intimately
>>> could comment.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Lodewijk
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM, praveenp <me.praveen@gmail.com <mailto:me.praveen@gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:me.praveen@gmail.com <mailto:me.praveen@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Congratulation to all the selection committee who break the
>>> tradition[1] of selecting one of the Malayalam communities two
>>> permanent Wikimania attendees, by selecting both of them.
>>>
>>> Congratulation to User:Netha Hussain & User:viswaprabha also.
>>>
>>> [1] "Granting Scholarship to same persons every year" thread,
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html>
>>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html>>
>>>
>>> ~User:Praveenp
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday 15 May 2018 11:19 PM, Ellie Young wrote:
>>> *
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's an update on various activities pertaining to the
>>> upcomingWikimania '18 which is being held July 18-22 in Cape Town,
>>> South Africa.
>>>
>>> WMF Scholarship Program: 135 people were offered and subsequently
>>> accepteda full or partial scholarship to attend. The awardees are
>>> listed by usernames and the list is posted
>>> here:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars>Submissions: <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars%3Chttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars%3ESubmissions:>
>>> The program committee has just finished its review anddeliberations.
>>> Rejections and acceptance emails have gone out in the past week.
>>>
>>> 95% of the accepted submissions are listed at:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program>
>>> <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Plenaries and other sessions will be listed soon and a scheduled
>>> program in June.
>>>
>>> Registration and accommodation information is now up for everyone
>>> at:https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration>https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation>If <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration%3Chttps://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration%3Ehttps://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation%3Chttps://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation%3EIf>
>>> you are a scholarship or other WMF funded attendee (staff,
>>> contractor,board, etc), please wait until you hear from the WMF with
>>> your registrationand accommodation instructions.If you have any
>>> questions about the conference, please emailwikimania-info at
>>> wikimedia.org <http://wikimedia.org/><https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>>Please
>>> spread the word!!!!On behalf of the Wikimania '18 Organizing Team
>>>
>>> Ellie YoungEvents Manager, Wikimedia
>>> Foundation<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>>?
>>>
>>> *
>>
>>
>>
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I think this is the point where we are deviating from the original issue, and where I feel things are getting way too personal. Can we please stay in a general topic and refrain from analyzing who in particular may or may not be getting the long or short end of the stick?

--
Siebrand

> Op 30 mei 2018 om 08:42 heeft CS <cs@edubkk.org> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Visswaprabha,
>
> '2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico.'
>
> and for how many of those did you get a scholarship?
>
> Kudpung
>
>> On 30 May 2018, at 13:28, ViswaPrabha (?????????) <viswaprabha@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just for the information of all those who read this thread,
>> I did not get selected this year through the normal scholarship filtration process. I happen to be among those who could not attend Wikimania 2017 at Montreal, even after going through all these bashing and grillings and then obtaining a valid scholarship last year, due to the so called 'Canadian visa' problem.
>> So, for me, scholarship to Wikimania 2018 was an automatic fall-in. Please reset your counters.
>> My total Wikimania participation till date:
>> 2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico.
>>
>> Regards,
>> User:Viswaprabha
>>
>>
>>> On 30 May 2018 at 06:19, cs <cs@edubkk.org> wrote:
>>> I am also concerned about the same people repeatedly receiving scholarships, and this is by no way of complaining that I did not receive one.
>>> As I said last year however, I believe it is also inappropriate to inform applicants that they have been placed on a short list. Not only does this raise false hopes, but as many applications are based on the users' intentions to submit a presentation, it incurs a serious waste of volunteers' time.
>>>
>>> I also believe that active Wikipedia users who have financed their own participation in the conference multiple times should also be given priority consideration.
>>>
>>> I fully understand that the according of scholarships is a complex and difficult task. As a former volunteer scholarship approvals committee member, I think I have some experience in these maters.
>>>
>>> Not one single Wikimania has been organised without serious issues which often result in attendees’ negative experience.
>>> Perhaps the solution would be to have the entire concept of Wikimania place in the hands of an experienced volunteer task force of former conference organizers, presenters, and attendees who will have learned from previous errors and adminstartive organisational hiccups. Funds should also be made available for face-to-face meetings for the organisation of such an important event.
>>>
>>> Having a truly executive Board of Trustees rather than one that simply rubber stamps the way the WMF works, in this and most other areas, may be a step towards addressing these issues.
>>>
>>> Kudpung
>>>
>>>> On 30, May2018, at 01:59, Gheorghe Zugravu <zugravu.gheorghe@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 29.05.2018 20:33, praveenp wrote:
>>>>> I haven't seen any attempt to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired
>>>>> from Wikimania to community through mailing list or wiki. Users
>>>>> including me generally feel that community is being mocked on.
>>>>
>>>> Hi to all,
>>>> without being too original here, and following praveenp comments - would
>>>> be good to encourage recipients of WMF scholarship to organize some type
>>>> of Wikimania follow-up activities back in their groups or chapters.
>>>>
>>>> I do believe that most of them are doing it anyway without any
>>>> requirements from WMF, but if majority would do it - we could have
>>>> something as a ”permanent Wikimania” unfolding globally for a couple of
>>>> months after the official Wikimania.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>> /gheorghe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> As I have said last year, this is not a complaint that I didn't get
>>>>> selected. This is not personal. This is about same persons receiving
>>>>> Wikimania scholarship year after year repeatedly. I am just using
>>>>> familiar user names from a familiar community, who got many repeated
>>>>> scholarships.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even after I argued that none of these 'permanent scholarship
>>>>> receivers' sharing anything to community, I haven't seen any attempt
>>>>> to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired from Wikimania to community
>>>>> through mailing list or wiki. Users including me generally feel that
>>>>> community is being mocked on.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried to keep myself away from local discussion about this, but
>>>>> injustice is so clear. And nobody is ready to discuss it openly, most
>>>>> probably because of the 'incompetency shaming' in almost all replies.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~user:Praveenp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday 29 May 2018 11:19 PM, Lodewijk wrote:
>>>>> Given the context of the previous email you sent, I am assuming this
>>>>> is more a complaint that you didn't get selected than that the other
>>>>> two got selected.
>>>>>
>>>>> Similarly to the previous time you tried to have this discussion - I
>>>>> feel uncomfortable to make this about individuals.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way to give rejected applicants more feedback on which
>>>>> factors play a main role, so that they can learn from it, especially
>>>>> if there is something they could improve in their application. I would
>>>>> add two sidenotes here though: it should only be provided on request
>>>>> (no need to rub people's noses into something unnecessarily) and it
>>>>> seems only viable at a level that can be easily extracted from the
>>>>> process (high level).
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps someone who knows the scholarship committee's work intimately
>>>>> could comment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Lodewijk
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM, praveenp <me.praveen@gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:me.praveen@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Congratulation to all the selection committee who break the
>>>>> tradition[1] of selecting one of the Malayalam communities two
>>>>> permanent Wikimania attendees, by selecting both of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Congratulation to User:Netha Hussain & User:viswaprabha also.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] "Granting Scholarship to same persons every year" thread,
>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html
>>>>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> ~User:Praveenp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday 15 May 2018 11:19 PM, Ellie Young wrote:
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's an update on various activities pertaining to the
>>>>> upcomingWikimania '18 which is being held July 18-22 in Cape Town,
>>>>> South Africa.
>>>>>
>>>>> WMF Scholarship Program: 135 people were offered and subsequently
>>>>> accepteda full or partial scholarship to attend. The awardees are
>>>>> listed by usernames and the list is posted
>>>>> here:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars>Submissions:
>>>>> The program committee has just finished its review anddeliberations.
>>>>> Rejections and acceptance emails have gone out in the past week.
>>>>>
>>>>> 95% of the accepted submissions are listed at:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program
>>>>> <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Plenaries and other sessions will be listed soon and a scheduled
>>>>> program in June.
>>>>>
>>>>> Registration and accommodation information is now up for everyone
>>>>> at:https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration>https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation>If
>>>>> you are a scholarship or other WMF funded attendee (staff,
>>>>> contractor,board, etc), please wait until you hear from the WMF with
>>>>> your registrationand accommodation instructions.If you have any
>>>>> questions about the conference, please emailwikimania-info at
>>>>> wikimedia.org<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>Please
>>>>> spread the word!!!!On behalf of the Wikimania '18 Organizing Team
>>>>>
>>>>> Ellie YoungEvents Manager, Wikimedia
>>>>> Foundation<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>?
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Viswaprabha highlights a reason why some people may be appearing to get
Montreal and CapeTown.

Where as Kudpung is highlighting that over time some people seam to get
many scholarship opportunities to attend, while others miss out or
perpetually end up on the wait list.

I dont think Kudpung is picking on Viswaprabha in any specific way, just
enquiring if the three other listed Wikimanias were all scholarships along
with capetown.

Personally I've only once got WMF scholarship to washington, once I was
asked by the chapter to represent them in london, I have applied for a few
others and been unsuccessful,

Yes its unfortunate that some people appear to get more opportunities while
others miss out, understanding the mechanics of how & why that happens is
an important part of the processes being reviewed and improved.

In some ways such issues need seek personal information because that does
inform others. I do wonder how much of the application information is
taken in good faith and how much is reviewed, because we know that filling
in forms for such activities is skill set that some people have the ability
to over promote themselves while others struggle in relating the good work
they are doing -- this part is no way intended to reflect on Viswaprabha,
I appreciate Viswaprabha took the time to highlight a personal event that
is impacting this discussion in a non normal way.

On 30 May 2018 at 14:45, Siebrand Mazeland <siebrand@kitano.nl> wrote:

> I think this is the point where we are deviating from the original issue,
> and where I feel things are getting way too personal. Can we please stay in
> a general topic and refrain from analyzing who in particular may or may not
> be getting the long or short end of the stick?
>
> --
> Siebrand
>
> Op 30 mei 2018 om 08:42 heeft CS <cs@edubkk.org> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Visswaprabha,
>
> '2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico.'
>
> and for how many of those did you get a scholarship?
>
> Kudpung
>
> On 30 May 2018, at 13:28, ViswaPrabha (?????????) <viswaprabha@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Just for the information of all those who read this thread,
> I did not get selected this year through the normal scholarship filtration
> process. I happen to be among those who could not attend Wikimania 2017 at
> Montreal, even after going through all these bashing and grillings and then
> obtaining a valid scholarship last year, due to the so called 'Canadian
> visa' problem.
> So, for me, scholarship to Wikimania 2018 was an automatic fall-in. Please
> reset your counters.
> My total Wikimania participation till date:
> 2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico.
>
> Regards,
> User:Viswaprabha
>
>
> On 30 May 2018 at 06:19, cs <cs@edubkk.org> wrote:
>
>> I am also concerned about the same people repeatedly receiving
>> scholarships, and this is by no way of complaining that I did not
>> receive one.
>> As I said last year however, I believe it is also inappropriate to
>> inform applicants that they have been placed on a short list. Not
>> only does this raise false hopes, but as many applications are based on
>> the users' intentions to submit a presentation, it incurs a serious
>> waste of volunteers' time.
>>
>> I also believe that active Wikipedia users who have financed their
>> own participation in the conference multiple times should also be given
>> priority consideration.
>>
>> I fully understand that the according of scholarships is a complex
>> and difficult task. As a former volunteer scholarship approvals committee
>> member, I think I have some experience in these maters.
>>
>> Not one single Wikimania has been organised without serious issues
>> which often result in attendees’ negative experience.
>> Perhaps the solution would be to have the entire concept of Wikimania
>> place in the hands of an experienced volunteer task force of former
>> conference organizers, presenters, and attendees who will have learned
>> from previous errors and adminstartive organisational hiccups. Funds
>> should also be made available for face-to-face meetings for the
>> organisation of such an important event.
>>
>> Having a truly executive Board of Trustees rather than one that simply
>> rubber stamps the way the WMF works, in this and most other areas, may
>> be a step towards addressing these issues.
>>
>> Kudpung
>>
>> On 30, May2018, at 01:59, Gheorghe Zugravu <zugravu.gheorghe@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 29.05.2018 20:33, praveenp wrote:
>>
>> I haven't seen any attempt to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired
>> from Wikimania to community through mailing list or wiki. Users
>> including me generally feel that community is being mocked on.
>>
>>
>> Hi to all,
>> without being too original here, and following praveenp comments - would
>> be good to encourage recipients of WMF scholarship to organize some type
>> of Wikimania follow-up activities back in their groups or chapters.
>>
>> I do believe that most of them are doing it anyway without any
>> requirements from WMF, but if majority would do it - we could have
>> something as a ”permanent Wikimania” unfolding globally for a couple of
>> months after the official Wikimania.
>>
>> regards,
>> /gheorghe
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As I have said last year, this is not a complaint that I didn't get
>> selected. This is not personal. This is about same persons receiving
>> Wikimania scholarship year after year repeatedly. I am just using
>> familiar user names from a familiar community, who got many repeated
>> scholarships.
>>
>> Even after I argued that none of these 'permanent scholarship
>> receivers' sharing anything to community, I haven't seen any attempt
>> to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired from Wikimania to community
>> through mailing list or wiki. Users including me generally feel that
>> community is being mocked on.
>>
>> I tried to keep myself away from local discussion about this, but
>> injustice is so clear. And nobody is ready to discuss it openly, most
>> probably because of the 'incompetency shaming' in almost all replies.
>>
>> ~user:Praveenp
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday 29 May 2018 11:19 PM, Lodewijk wrote:
>> Given the context of the previous email you sent, I am assuming this
>> is more a complaint that you didn't get selected than that the other
>> two got selected.
>>
>> Similarly to the previous time you tried to have this discussion - I
>> feel uncomfortable to make this about individuals.
>>
>> Is there a way to give rejected applicants more feedback on which
>> factors play a main role, so that they can learn from it, especially
>> if there is something they could improve in their application. I would
>> add two sidenotes here though: it should only be provided on request
>> (no need to rub people's noses into something unnecessarily) and it
>> seems only viable at a level that can be easily extracted from the
>> process (high level).
>>
>> Perhaps someone who knows the scholarship committee's work intimately
>> could comment.
>>
>> Best,
>> Lodewijk
>>
>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM, praveenp <me.praveen@gmail.com
>> <mailto:me.praveen@gmail.com <me.praveen@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Congratulation to all the selection committee who break the
>> tradition[1] of selecting one of the Malayalam communities two
>> permanent Wikimania attendees, by selecting both of them.
>>
>> Congratulation to User:Netha Hussain & User:viswaprabha also.
>>
>> [1] "Granting Scholarship to same persons every year" thread,
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html
>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html>
>>
>> ~User:Praveenp
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday 15 May 2018 11:19 PM, Ellie Young wrote:
>> *
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>> Here's an update on various activities pertaining to the
>> upcomingWikimania '18 which is being held July 18-22 in Cape Town,
>> South Africa.
>>
>> WMF Scholarship Program: 135 people were offered and subsequently
>> accepteda full or partial scholarship to attend. The awardees are
>> listed by usernames and the list is posted
>> here:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_sc
>> holars<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_
>> scholars>Submissions:
>> The program committee has just finished its review anddeliberations.
>> Rejections and acceptance emails have gone out in the past week.
>>
>> 95% of the accepted submissions are listed at:
>>
>>
>> https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program
>> <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program>
>>
>>
>> Plenaries and other sessions will be listed soon and a scheduled
>> program in June.
>>
>> Registration and accommodation information is now up for everyone
>> at:https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration<
>> https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration>https://wikimania
>> 2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation<https://wikimani
>> a2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation>If
>> you are a scholarship or other WMF funded attendee (staff,
>> contractor,board, etc), please wait until you hear from the WMF with
>> your registrationand accommodation instructions.If you have any
>> questions about the conference, please emailwikimania-info at
>> wikimedia.org<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>> >Please
>> spread the word!!!!On behalf of the Wikimania '18 Organizing Team
>>
>> Ellie YoungEvents Manager, Wikimedia
>> Foundation<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>?
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Is there any other way of investigating these issues without mentioning the names of the scholarship awardees?
I don’t think anyone is criticising the awardees themselves - they are obviously grateful at having been selected and we certainly don’t resent their having the opportunity.
I am always amused (amazed?) however, at every Wikimania I have attended, at the number of people who stand up when Jimbo asks his regular question: 'Stand up all those who have been to a Wikimania X times?’
Considering the geographical distances between locations, and the personal expense, it surprises me that so many have been many times - or were those the WMF staff?

Kudpung

> On 30, May2018, at 14:02, Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Viswaprabha highlights a reason why some people may be appearing to get Montreal and CapeTown.
>
> Where as Kudpung is highlighting that over time some people seam to get many scholarship opportunities to attend, while others miss out or perpetually end up on the wait list.
>
> I dont think Kudpung is picking on Viswaprabha in any specific way, just enquiring if the three other listed Wikimanias were all scholarships along with capetown.
>
> Personally I've only once got WMF scholarship to washington, once I was asked by the chapter to represent them in london, I have applied for a few others and been unsuccessful,
>
> Yes its unfortunate that some people appear to get more opportunities while others miss out, understanding the mechanics of how & why that happens is an important part of the processes being reviewed and improved.
>
> In some ways such issues need seek personal information because that does inform others. I do wonder how much of the application information is taken in good faith and how much is reviewed, because we know that filling in forms for such activities is skill set that some people have the ability to over promote themselves while others struggle in relating the good work they are doing -- this part is no way intended to reflect on Viswaprabha, I appreciate Viswaprabha took the time to highlight a personal event that is impacting this discussion in a non normal way.
>
> On 30 May 2018 at 14:45, Siebrand Mazeland <siebrand@kitano.nl <mailto:siebrand@kitano.nl>> wrote:
> I think this is the point where we are deviating from the original issue, and where I feel things are getting way too personal. Can we please stay in a general topic and refrain from analyzing who in particular may or may not be getting the long or short end of the stick?
>
> --
> Siebrand
>
> Op 30 mei 2018 om 08:42 heeft CS <cs@edubkk.org <mailto:cs@edubkk.org>> het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Visswaprabha,
>>
>> '2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico.'
>>
>> and for how many of those did you get a scholarship?
>>
>> Kudpung
>>
>>> On 30 May 2018, at 13:28, ViswaPrabha (?????????) <viswaprabha@gmail.com <mailto:viswaprabha@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just for the information of all those who read this thread,
>>> I did not get selected this year through the normal scholarship filtration process. I happen to be among those who could not attend Wikimania 2017 at Montreal, even after going through all these bashing and grillings and then obtaining a valid scholarship last year, due to the so called 'Canadian visa' problem.
>>> So, for me, scholarship to Wikimania 2018 was an automatic fall-in. Please reset your counters.
>>> My total Wikimania participation till date:
>>> 2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> User:Viswaprabha
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 May 2018 at 06:19, cs <cs@edubkk.org <mailto:cs@edubkk.org>> wrote:
>>> I am also concerned about the same people repeatedly receiving scholarships, and this is by no way of complaining that I did not receive one.
>>> As I said last year however, I believe it is also inappropriate to inform applicants that they have been placed on a short list. Not only does this raise false hopes, but as many applications are based on the users' intentions to submit a presentation, it incurs a serious waste of volunteers' time.
>>>
>>> I also believe that active Wikipedia users who have financed their own participation in the conference multiple times should also be given priority consideration.
>>>
>>> I fully understand that the according of scholarships is a complex and difficult task. As a former volunteer scholarship approvals committee member, I think I have some experience in these maters.
>>>
>>> Not one single Wikimania has been organised without serious issues which often result in attendees’ negative experience.
>>> Perhaps the solution would be to have the entire concept of Wikimania place in the hands of an experienced volunteer task force of former conference organizers, presenters, and attendees who will have learned from previous errors and adminstartive organisational hiccups. Funds should also be made available for face-to-face meetings for the organisation of such an important event.
>>>
>>> Having a truly executive Board of Trustees rather than one that simply rubber stamps the way the WMF works, in this and most other areas, may be a step towards addressing these issues.
>>>
>>> Kudpung
>>>
>>>> On 30, May2018, at 01:59, Gheorghe Zugravu <zugravu.gheorghe@gmail.com <mailto:zugravu.gheorghe@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 29.05.2018 20:33, praveenp wrote:
>>>>> I haven't seen any attempt to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired
>>>>> from Wikimania to community through mailing list or wiki. Users
>>>>> including me generally feel that community is being mocked on.
>>>>
>>>> Hi to all,
>>>> without being too original here, and following praveenp comments - would
>>>> be good to encourage recipients of WMF scholarship to organize some type
>>>> of Wikimania follow-up activities back in their groups or chapters.
>>>>
>>>> I do believe that most of them are doing it anyway without any
>>>> requirements from WMF, but if majority would do it - we could have
>>>> something as a ”permanent Wikimania” unfolding globally for a couple of
>>>> months after the official Wikimania.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>> /gheorghe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> As I have said last year, this is not a complaint that I didn't get
>>>>> selected. This is not personal. This is about same persons receiving
>>>>> Wikimania scholarship year after year repeatedly. I am just using
>>>>> familiar user names from a familiar community, who got many repeated
>>>>> scholarships.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even after I argued that none of these 'permanent scholarship
>>>>> receivers' sharing anything to community, I haven't seen any attempt
>>>>> to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired from Wikimania to community
>>>>> through mailing list or wiki. Users including me generally feel that
>>>>> community is being mocked on.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried to keep myself away from local discussion about this, but
>>>>> injustice is so clear. And nobody is ready to discuss it openly, most
>>>>> probably because of the 'incompetency shaming' in almost all replies.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~user:Praveenp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday 29 May 2018 11:19 PM, Lodewijk wrote:
>>>>> Given the context of the previous email you sent, I am assuming this
>>>>> is more a complaint that you didn't get selected than that the other
>>>>> two got selected.
>>>>>
>>>>> Similarly to the previous time you tried to have this discussion - I
>>>>> feel uncomfortable to make this about individuals.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way to give rejected applicants more feedback on which
>>>>> factors play a main role, so that they can learn from it, especially
>>>>> if there is something they could improve in their application. I would
>>>>> add two sidenotes here though: it should only be provided on request
>>>>> (no need to rub people's noses into something unnecessarily) and it
>>>>> seems only viable at a level that can be easily extracted from the
>>>>> process (high level).
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps someone who knows the scholarship committee's work intimately
>>>>> could comment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Lodewijk
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM, praveenp <me.praveen@gmail.com <mailto:me.praveen@gmail.com>
>>>>> <mailto:me.praveen@gmail.com <mailto:me.praveen@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Congratulation to all the selection committee who break the
>>>>> tradition[1] of selecting one of the Malayalam communities two
>>>>> permanent Wikimania attendees, by selecting both of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Congratulation to User:Netha Hussain & User:viswaprabha also.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] "Granting Scholarship to same persons every year" thread,
>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html>
>>>>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ~User:Praveenp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday 15 May 2018 11:19 PM, Ellie Young wrote:
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's an update on various activities pertaining to the
>>>>> upcomingWikimania '18 which is being held July 18-22 in Cape Town,
>>>>> South Africa.
>>>>>
>>>>> WMF Scholarship Program: 135 people were offered and subsequently
>>>>> accepteda full or partial scholarship to attend. The awardees are
>>>>> listed by usernames and the list is posted
>>>>> here:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars>Submissions: <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars%3Chttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars%3ESubmissions:>
>>>>> The program committee has just finished its review anddeliberations.
>>>>> Rejections and acceptance emails have gone out in the past week.
>>>>>
>>>>> 95% of the accepted submissions are listed at:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program>
>>>>> <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Plenaries and other sessions will be listed soon and a scheduled
>>>>> program in June.
>>>>>
>>>>> Registration and accommodation information is now up for everyone
>>>>> at:https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration>https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation>If <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration%3Chttps://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration%3Ehttps://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation%3Chttps://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation%3EIf>
>>>>> you are a scholarship or other WMF funded attendee (staff,
>>>>> contractor,board, etc), please wait until you hear from the WMF with
>>>>> your registrationand accommodation instructions.If you have any
>>>>> questions about the conference, please emailwikimania-info at
>>>>> wikimedia.org <http://wikimedia.org/><https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>>Please
>>>>> spread the word!!!!On behalf of the Wikimania '18 Organizing Team
>>>>>
>>>>> Ellie YoungEvents Manager, Wikimedia
>>>>> Foundation<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>>?
>>>>>
>>>>> *
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cs, 30/05/2018 10:16:
> Is there any  other way  of investigating  these issues /without/
> mentioning  the names of the scholarship awardees?

Well, in theory we've been publishing the names of people who got a
scholarship for a few years now, so it should be possible to make a
complete list of repeat recipients in N years and then talk just about
the number rather than names.

I agree that repeat scholarships are a bad way to spend donor money, for
the law of diminishing returns. We can disagree on how big the problem
is, but we have sufficient evidence that it exists. In the past I've
proposed and implemented severe penalties, but I'll clearly admit that I
failed to effectively reform the review process.

I personally agree with more draconian solutions which would set very
clear expectations. A total ban on a scholarship for those who got one
the previous year is a possibility. It would be as fair as re-election
limits in democratic competitions.

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Praveen,

This could also be discussed on the Malayalam Wikipedia village pump and/or the mailing list where the community can request the participants with a list of expectations. When a Wikimedian is awarded the scholarship on the basis of their own contribution to the larger movement, they do owe their own community the wisdom they would bring back from Wikimania.

But I personally don’t see this thread a fruitful one. Many from your own community might not be active here. While sharing this suggestion with I’m also thinking in my head that how we could engage with my own community so that they share such a wishlist. We tried to do it in the past but did not receive many comments. Maybe there is a way we can innovate. If we succeed, I will create a Learning Pattern, and share here. :)

Subhashish

> On May 30, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> cs, 30/05/2018 10:16:
>> Is there any other way of investigating these issues /without/ mentioning the names of the scholarship awardees?
>
> Well, in theory we've been publishing the names of people who got a scholarship for a few years now, so it should be possible to make a complete list of repeat recipients in N years and then talk just about the number rather than names.
>
> I agree that repeat scholarships are a bad way to spend donor money, for the law of diminishing returns. We can disagree on how big the problem is, but we have sufficient evidence that it exists. In the past I've proposed and implemented severe penalties, but I'll clearly admit that I failed to effectively reform the review process.
>
> I personally agree with more draconian solutions which would set very clear expectations. A total ban on a scholarship for those who got one the previous year is a possibility. It would be as fair as re-election limits in democratic competitions.
>
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Hi,

As a disclaimer: I have been in multiple roles, including receiving a WMF scholarship (2014, 2017 and 2018), being denied a WMF scholarship, attending Wikimania at my own expense and reviewing Wikimania scholarship applications for a chapter.


From this experience I do not agree with the 'law of diminishing returns' or draconian measures. However, there are several trends:


1) First Wikimania is usually extremely motivating for almost everyone. Yet it is hard for a first-time Wikimania attendee to clearly explain the value of Wikimania for them before attending it. On one hand, these people are very likely to become more involved, start new projects, share new ideas etc. On the other hand, their scholarship applications will be most likely somewhat vague on their plans for Wikimania, and we have to take that into account.


2) Second and following Wikimanias are indeed less likely to bring that much additional motivation. However, there is huge added value as these attendees already know what to expect from and what to look for at Wikimania and in some ways make Wikimania itself more valuable. This includes sharing at Wikimania: participating at round tables, making presentations or posters etc. This also includes learning from Wikimania: asking the questions their community wants to ask, meeting the people who work on the topics they are interested in etc. This is not a diminishing return, but this requires to think of the added value you can bring to Wikimania.


3) For veteran Wikimedians attending a lot of times, Wikimania is also a place to meet people with whom they work online and share experience both ways. For example, we know people want to meet stewards to learn more about their work, and stewards want to meet users to get some insight on their role. This might be a sufficient motivation to attend at own expense if costs are not too prohibitive, but if this is the case (I don't think we have stewards in Sub-Saharan Africa for example) some of them will probably need scholarships. They will bring added value by their experience and role even if they might have attended in previous years.


I don't think there is a simple solution but this definitely deserves a discussion either here or during the conference.


Best regards,
Mykola (NickK)

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cs, 30/05/2018 10:16:
> Is there any  other way  of investigating  these issues /without/
> mentioning  the names of the scholarship awardees?

Well, in theory we've been publishing the names of people who got a
scholarship for a few years now, so it should be possible to make a
complete list of repeat recipients in N years and then talk just about
the number rather than names.

I agree that repeat scholarships are a bad way to spend donor money, for
the law of diminishing returns. We can disagree on how big the problem
is, but we have sufficient evidence that it exists. In the past I've
proposed and implemented severe penalties, but I'll clearly admit that I
failed to effectively reform the review process.

I personally agree with more draconian solutions which would set very
clear expectations. A total ban on a scholarship for those who got one
the previous year is a possibility. It would be as fair as re-election
limits in democratic competitions.

Federico

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> This could also be discussed on the Malayalam Wikipedia village pump and/or the mailing list where the community can request the participants with a list of expectations. When a Wikimedian is awarded the scholarship on the basis of their own contribution to the larger movement, they do owe their own community the wisdom they would bring back from Wikimania.
I raised the issue of repeated scholarship last year, but only now I
understood that the person who mentioned in that thread as a scholarship
reciever, was not attended the Wikimania last year. That is the level of
communication happens from the scholarship receivers.

> But I personally don’t see this thread a fruitful one. Many from your own community might not be active here. While sharing this suggestion with I’m also thinking in my head that how we could engage with my own community so that they share such a wishlist. We tried to do it in the past but did not receive many comments. Maybe there is a way we can innovate. If we succeed, I will create a Learning Pattern, and share here. :)
>
It may not be fruitful now, but I think it is important to challenge a
flawed system which give unjustifiable advantage to some.

Although I didn't participate any 'Wikimania scholarship application &
rejection discussion' this year, I am sure that active users in ml.wiki
community are aware of this repeated scholarship phenomena. Also this is
not something a small community can control. After applying for
scholarship, applicants are completely at the 'mercy' of selection
committee.

As you know, Malayalam community is a small community, most people know
each other in the real world. Even here in a mailing list of somewhat
not-so-familiar people, it is very difficult to question a controversial
selection process. You can assume how difficult would it be in an open
place where everybody know everyone else personally.



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Hi,

Just like Mykola, I attended Wikimania on different budgets. I believe I
received a scholarship once, I was also denied once at least.

The problem expressed in this topic, the way I see it, is that some people
may be picked from year to year basing on the same reasons (good proposal,
region, etc.). The concern expressed by some is that while every year these
merits may be true, the system leads to reinforcing the same cabal.

Except, it is my understanding that having previously attended Wikimania on
a scholarship is an explicit criterion for lowering one's chances to get
another one.

What is being postulated appears to be already reflected in the system. The
system, btw, is very far from perfect and I think it is safe to assume that
everyone agrees on that. Another issue, however, is whether we can prepare
a better system while not spending significantly more money/volunteer time.

I'd suggest looking for concrete solutions and ideas rather than
criticizing the outcomes.

Discussing particular people, and if they got sponsored repeatedly, does
not sound fair to me - it is guilting them into believing that the fact
they were nominated to come is something wrong.

Regarding shortlists - they surely are imperfect for various reasons, but
common for such programs, including e.g. Fulbright (a shortlisted grantee
may learn a/he is or is not going as late as two months prior to departure
to the US).

Best,

DJ "pundit"

PS for clarity - I'm coming to Wikimania on the Board's budget.

On Wed, May 30, 2018, 11:51 Mykola Kozlenko <mycola-k@ukr.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> As a disclaimer: I have been in multiple roles, including receiving a WMF
> scholarship (2014, 2017 and 2018), being denied a WMF scholarship,
> attending Wikimania at my own expense and reviewing Wikimania scholarship
> applications for a chapter.
>
> From this experience I do not agree with the 'law of diminishing returns'
> or draconian measures. However, there are several trends:
>
> 1) First Wikimania is usually extremely motivating for almost everyone.
> Yet it is hard for a first-time Wikimania attendee to clearly explain the
> value of Wikimania for them before attending it. On one hand, these people
> are very likely to become more involved, start new projects, share new
> ideas etc. On the other hand, their scholarship applications will be most
> likely somewhat vague on their plans for Wikimania, and we have to take
> that into account.
>
> 2) Second and following Wikimanias are indeed less likely to bring that
> much additional motivation. However, there is huge added value as these
> attendees already know what to expect from and what to look for at
> Wikimania and in some ways make Wikimania itself more valuable. This
> includes sharing at Wikimania: participating at round tables, making
> presentations or posters etc. This also includes learning from Wikimania:
> asking the questions their community wants to ask, meeting the people who
> work on the topics they are interested in etc. This is not a diminishing
> return, but this requires to think of the added value you can bring to
> Wikimania.
>
> 3) For veteran Wikimedians attending a lot of times, Wikimania is also a
> place to meet people with whom they work online and share experience both
> ways. For example, we know people want to meet stewards to learn more about
> their work, and stewards want to meet users to get some insight on their
> role. This might be a sufficient motivation to attend at own expense if
> costs are not too prohibitive, but if this is the case (I don't think we
> have stewards in Sub-Saharan Africa for example) some of them will probably
> need scholarships. They will bring added value by their experience and role
> even if they might have attended in previous years.
>
> I don't think there is a simple solution but this definitely deserves a
> discussion either here or during the conference.
>
> Best regards,
> Mykola (NickK)
>
> --- ??????????? ???????????? ---
> ??? ????: "Federico Leva (Nemo)" <nemowiki@gmail.com>
> ????: 30 ?????? 2018, 10:38:09
>
> cs, 30/05/2018 10:16:
> > Is there any other way of investigating these issues /without/
> > mentioning the names of the scholarship awardees?
>
> Well, in theory we've been publishing the names of people who got a
> scholarship for a few years now, so it should be possible to make a
> complete list of repeat recipients in N years and then talk just about
> the number rather than names.
>
> I agree that repeat scholarships are a bad way to spend donor money, for
> the law of diminishing returns. We can disagree on how big the problem
> is, but we have sufficient evidence that it exists. In the past I've
> proposed and implemented severe penalties, but I'll clearly admit that I
> failed to effectively reform the review process.
>
> I personally agree with more draconian solutions which would set very
> clear expectations. A total ban on a scholarship for those who got one
> the previous year is a possibility. It would be as fair as re-election
> limits in democratic competitions.
>
> Federico
>
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Mentioning names and making comments close to criticising those who got
scholarship repeatedly is distasteful
and I have to agree with Dariusz that such comment is unfair to these
people. However, people are allowed to show their grievances if they
considered themselves unjustly treated. When the same persons are selected
for scholarship every year, this leave others whose application gets
rejected every year with the impression that their works does not matter
and this is not healthy for our movement.

I do think we need a better approach to addressing what others considered a
problem.

Regards,

Isaac.

*Disclaimer: **I have been declined a scholarship to Wikimania once and I
haven't apply for Wikimania scholarship since 2016. *



On May 30, 2018 5:20 PM, "Dariusz Jemielniak" <darekj@alk.edu.pl> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just like Mykola, I attended Wikimania on different budgets. I believe I
> received a scholarship once, I was also denied once at least.
>
> The problem expressed in this topic, the way I see it, is that some people
> may be picked from year to year basing on the same reasons (good proposal,
> region, etc.). The concern expressed by some is that while every year these
> merits may be true, the system leads to reinforcing the same cabal.
>
> Except, it is my understanding that having previously attended Wikimania
> on a scholarship is an explicit criterion for lowering one's chances to get
> another one.
>
> What is being postulated appears to be already reflected in the system.
> The system, btw, is very far from perfect and I think it is safe to assume
> that everyone agrees on that. Another issue, however, is whether we can
> prepare a better system while not spending significantly more
> money/volunteer time.
>
> I'd suggest looking for concrete solutions and ideas rather than
> criticizing the outcomes.
>
> Discussing particular people, and if they got sponsored repeatedly, does
> not sound fair to me - it is guilting them into believing that the fact
> they were nominated to come is something wrong.
>
> Regarding shortlists - they surely are imperfect for various reasons, but
> common for such programs, including e.g. Fulbright (a shortlisted grantee
> may learn a/he is or is not going as late as two months prior to departure
> to the US).
>
> Best,
>
> DJ "pundit"
>
> PS for clarity - I'm coming to Wikimania on the Board's budget.
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 11:51 Mykola Kozlenko <mycola-k@ukr.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As a disclaimer: I have been in multiple roles, including receiving a WMF
>> scholarship (2014, 2017 and 2018), being denied a WMF scholarship,
>> attending Wikimania at my own expense and reviewing Wikimania scholarship
>> applications for a chapter.
>>
>> From this experience I do not agree with the 'law of diminishing returns'
>> or draconian measures. However, there are several trends:
>>
>> 1) First Wikimania is usually extremely motivating for almost everyone.
>> Yet it is hard for a first-time Wikimania attendee to clearly explain the
>> value of Wikimania for them before attending it. On one hand, these people
>> are very likely to become more involved, start new projects, share new
>> ideas etc. On the other hand, their scholarship applications will be most
>> likely somewhat vague on their plans for Wikimania, and we have to take
>> that into account.
>>
>> 2) Second and following Wikimanias are indeed less likely to bring that
>> much additional motivation. However, there is huge added value as these
>> attendees already know what to expect from and what to look for at
>> Wikimania and in some ways make Wikimania itself more valuable. This
>> includes sharing at Wikimania: participating at round tables, making
>> presentations or posters etc. This also includes learning from Wikimania:
>> asking the questions their community wants to ask, meeting the people who
>> work on the topics they are interested in etc. This is not a diminishing
>> return, but this requires to think of the added value you can bring to
>> Wikimania.
>>
>> 3) For veteran Wikimedians attending a lot of times, Wikimania is also a
>> place to meet people with whom they work online and share experience both
>> ways. For example, we know people want to meet stewards to learn more about
>> their work, and stewards want to meet users to get some insight on their
>> role. This might be a sufficient motivation to attend at own expense if
>> costs are not too prohibitive, but if this is the case (I don't think we
>> have stewards in Sub-Saharan Africa for example) some of them will probably
>> need scholarships. They will bring added value by their experience and role
>> even if they might have attended in previous years.
>>
>> I don't think there is a simple solution but this definitely deserves a
>> discussion either here or during the conference.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Mykola (NickK)
>>
>> --- ??????????? ???????????? ---
>> ??? ????: "Federico Leva (Nemo)" <nemowiki@gmail.com>
>> ????: 30 ?????? 2018, 10:38:09
>>
>> cs, 30/05/2018 10:16:
>> > Is there any other way of investigating these issues /without/
>> > mentioning the names of the scholarship awardees?
>>
>> Well, in theory we've been publishing the names of people who got a
>> scholarship for a few years now, so it should be possible to make a
>> complete list of repeat recipients in N years and then talk just about
>> the number rather than names.
>>
>> I agree that repeat scholarships are a bad way to spend donor money, for
>> the law of diminishing returns. We can disagree on how big the problem
>> is, but we have sufficient evidence that it exists. In the past I've
>> proposed and implemented severe penalties, but I'll clearly admit that I
>> failed to effectively reform the review process.
>>
>> I personally agree with more draconian solutions which would set very
>> clear expectations. A total ban on a scholarship for those who got one
>> the previous year is a possibility. It would be as fair as re-election
>> limits in democratic competitions.
>>
>> Federico
>>
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Hi all, I'd like to add a few words.
Applicants tend to forget that same people are likely to be selected if
same people are applying.
I do not think that it is a first job of scholarship committee to check
that every year there are new people. If certain community has a problem
that Wikimedians go to Wikimania but fail to report back to the community
and do not bring back new knowledge, then it should be discussed within the
community. I do believe that local community can find a way to encourage or
discourage people to apply for a scholarship.
If there is trust in the community, discussions within it will bring ease. For
example, different applicants can gather and compare their applications,
and decide for themselves why scholarship committee liked this one better
than that one. And write better application next time. Talk to each other,
people.

Best regards,
user:???,
applied but did not receive scholarship in 2012, 2013, and 2014;
received scholarship
in 2015 and 2016; haven't apply since; gave advice to several other people
with their applications

Let's imagine a totally fair, but not very good process: Scholarships
get allocated completely at random. Some people would keep getting
allocated scholarships, entirely randomly.

Therefore, the observation that some people get scholarships several
years in a row is not strong evidence that the selection process is
somehow biased towards a select few...

(I mean, it is biased, towards people mainly active in smaller
language projects and from the Global South - that's quite deliberate
- and then it's biased towards Germans, because WMDE offers dozens of
scholarships for Germans outside of the WMF scheme. But those are
separate issues....)

Chris

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 1:25 PM, Vira Motorko <vira.motorko@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all, I'd like to add a few words.
> Applicants tend to forget that same people are likely to be selected if same
> people are applying.
> I do not think that it is a first job of scholarship committee to check that
> every year there are new people. If certain community has a problem that
> Wikimedians go to Wikimania but fail to report back to the community and do
> not bring back new knowledge, then it should be discussed within the
> community. I do believe that local community can find a way to encourage or
> discourage people to apply for a scholarship.
> If there is trust in the community, discussions within it will bring ease.
> For example, different applicants can gather and compare their applications,
> and decide for themselves why scholarship committee liked this one better
> than that one. And write better application next time. Talk to each other,
> people.
>
> Best regards,
> user:???,
> applied but did not receive scholarship in 2012, 2013, and 2014; received
> scholarship in 2015 and 2016; haven't apply since; gave advice to several
> other people with their applications
>
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Chris Keating, 31/05/2018 15:50:
> Therefore, the observation that some people get scholarships several
> years in a row is not strong evidence that the selection process is
> somehow biased towards a select few...

True. Personally I would not state that there is such a bias, although
there might be (mostly because past applicants know how to file
successful applications).

But I do state that the system is not redistributive, and might even be
regressive (using concepts from fiscal policy). This is not an
accusation: it's just not designed to be.

Federico

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Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of the
other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on
scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board
members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same old
faces year in, year out.

Harry Mitchell
http://enwp.org/User:HJ
+44 (0) 7507 536 971
Skype: harry_j_mitchell

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 1:50 PM, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Let's imagine a totally fair, but not very good process: Scholarships
> get allocated completely at random. Some people would keep getting
> allocated scholarships, entirely randomly.
>
> Therefore, the observation that some people get scholarships several
> years in a row is not strong evidence that the selection process is
> somehow biased towards a select few...
>
> (I mean, it is biased, towards people mainly active in smaller
> language projects and from the Global South - that's quite deliberate
> - and then it's biased towards Germans, because WMDE offers dozens of
> scholarships for Germans outside of the WMF scheme. But those are
> separate issues....)
>
> Chris
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 1:25 PM, Vira Motorko <vira.motorko@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi all, I'd like to add a few words.
> > Applicants tend to forget that same people are likely to be selected if
> same
> > people are applying.
> > I do not think that it is a first job of scholarship committee to check
> that
> > every year there are new people. If certain community has a problem that
> > Wikimedians go to Wikimania but fail to report back to the community and
> do
> > not bring back new knowledge, then it should be discussed within the
> > community. I do believe that local community can find a way to encourage
> or
> > discourage people to apply for a scholarship.
> > If there is trust in the community, discussions within it will bring
> ease.
> > For example, different applicants can gather and compare their
> applications,
> > and decide for themselves why scholarship committee liked this one better
> > than that one. And write better application next time. Talk to each
> other,
> > people.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > user:???,
> > applied but did not receive scholarship in 2012, 2013, and 2014; received
> > scholarship in 2015 and 2016; haven't apply since; gave advice to several
> > other people with their applications
> >
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Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to alter
the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer WMF
presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that was a
one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania, and
have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens
with Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of
financial cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship system
is a perennial point of friction.

Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full review
of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the community? With
WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year, and volunteers
spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think that it would
make sense to do this type of review, which might be possible to
synchronize with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested in ensuring
that there are SMART goals being achieved with all of the money and time
that goes into Wikimania. At the same time, I think that the scholarship
system could be reviewed to consider the strategic priorities for
scholarships and how to align those priorities to SMART goals. I don't
envision reducing funding for Wikimania and scholarships, but I think that
some re-thinking and evaluation would be good to align funding with the WMF
strategic plan and with SMART goals.

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <hjmwiki@gmail.com> wrote:

> Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of the
> other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on
> scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board
> members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same old
> faces year in, year out.
>
> Harry Mitchell
> http://enwp.org/User:HJ
> +44 (0) 7507 536 971
> Skype: harry_j_mitchell
>

I have attended several Wikimanias.
I would have thought that with the Wikipedias being voluntary contributed and managed projects, that the conference shoud have a sharp focus on attendance and presentations by the communities.
However, this is not the case. Presentation time is, IMO, excessively allocated to various speakers from the salaried staff.
This has been brought up on several occasions.
In some instances, some presentations have had almost duplicate content.
Many Foundations take on a promotional aspect of the WMF’s work.
The credit for the entire movement should go to the community volunteers.

Kudpung

> On 01, Jun2018, at 08:31, Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to alter the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer WMF presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that was a one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania, and have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens with Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of financial cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship system is a perennial point of friction.
>
> Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full review of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the community? With WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year, and volunteers spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think that it would make sense to do this type of review, which might be possible to synchronize with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested in ensuring that there are SMART goals being achieved with all of the money and time that goes into Wikimania. At the same time, I think that the scholarship system could be reviewed to consider the strategic priorities for scholarships and how to align those priorities to SMART goals. I don't envision reducing funding for Wikimania and scholarships, but I think that some re-thinking and evaluation would be good to align funding with the WMF strategic plan and with SMART goals.
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine> )
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <hjmwiki@gmail.com <mailto:hjmwiki@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of the other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same old faces year in, year out.
>
> Harry Mitchell
> http://enwp.org/User:HJ <http://enwp.org/User:HJ>
> +44 (0) 7507 536 971
> Skype: harry_j_mitchell
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