+1 to Subhashish's points of view.
I have another point about the nomenclature. How can three Wikimedians from
just one country, Bangladesh in this case, get to form a group that by its
very nomenclature represents a complete region, which includes a very large
number of communities, without any engagement with, consensus of, and
participation of all these communities?
The chosen name itself gives the impression that the group is to fulfill
the role of umbrella organisation over all the communities of Asia and
Pacific. Nomenclature matters.
So, while three individual Wikimedians are welcome to start a user group,
they are not the representative of these communities and any user group
that they set up if recognised by the Aff Comm should be appropriately
named.
Should a user group for Asia Pacific be created, then it should be with the
express participation of all the communities of the Asia Pacific region.
User:AshLin (en:WP)
On Sun, 28 May, 2023, 12:56 am Subhashish, <psubhashish@gmail.com> wrote:
> I want to write with the spirit that I respect the co-founders of the
> Wikimedians of the Asia Pacific User Group (WAPAC) as individual volunteer
> fellow Wikimedians. Still, I strongly disagree with creating this user
> group. It seems like forming a new user group where three co-founders have
> some conflict with Wikimedia Bangladesh. But instead of finding ways to
> resolve those conflicts, they, all from Bangladesh, started a parallel user
> group and called it Wikimedians of the Asia Pacific User Group.
>
> For context, the Asia-Pacific region includes over 45 economies and is
> home to 60% of the world's population that speaks over 2,000 languages. I
> highly doubt that forming a user group due to unsolved interpersonal
> conflicts is a good idea. There is, of course, a lack of conversations with
> communities of this large region and a lack of regional representation. Not
> to mention, ESEAP, the organiser of Wikimania this year, had no clue. There
> are many ways to solve interpersonal conflicts, but creating a user group
> without a real reason is not one.
>
> Subhashish
>
>
> On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 3:00?PM Iftekhar Hossain Iftee <
> i.h.iftee71@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Note: my last mail was caught in moderation queue, I sent it before
>> Aishik's last mail but it got approved after his mail.
>>
>> Iftee
>>
>> On Sat, May 27, 2023, 7:41 PM Aaqib Anjum Aafi <AaqibAnjumAafi@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am not sure where is the disappointing stuff in this thread. You are
>>> free to start a usergroup and work under an umbrella which adds more to the
>>> diversity of the movement, and I suppose it should, in your case, given
>>> you plenty of valuable contributions. However, calling helpful and friendly
>>> suggestions of others on certain errors that you made as "something
>>> unconstructive" is just being dishonest. Most of the comments on this
>>> thread are telling you constructively to engage with the larger community,
>>> for instance, with regards to the name of the usergroup. I run a thematic
>>> usergroup and I had to go through months of AffCom review: this thing
>>> overlaps this thing and so on, even though I had not used any such name or
>>> overlapped seriously with any specific community. However, the wider
>>> community groups in India where consulted by AffCom before they approved my
>>> usergroup application.
>>>
>>> The reason of me telling this to you is that most of the people
>>> commenting here are sharing their experiences and telling you what should
>>> be the correct step. You should invite all the communities that are in the
>>> region with which the name overlaps and have their comments heard, and if
>>> that doesn't reach any conclusion, you can opt for a different name that
>>> could perhaps serve your ideas and goals better.
>>>
>>> I hope this makes some sense.
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I have another point about the nomenclature. How can three Wikimedians from
just one country, Bangladesh in this case, get to form a group that by its
very nomenclature represents a complete region, which includes a very large
number of communities, without any engagement with, consensus of, and
participation of all these communities?
The chosen name itself gives the impression that the group is to fulfill
the role of umbrella organisation over all the communities of Asia and
Pacific. Nomenclature matters.
So, while three individual Wikimedians are welcome to start a user group,
they are not the representative of these communities and any user group
that they set up if recognised by the Aff Comm should be appropriately
named.
Should a user group for Asia Pacific be created, then it should be with the
express participation of all the communities of the Asia Pacific region.
User:AshLin (en:WP)
On Sun, 28 May, 2023, 12:56 am Subhashish, <psubhashish@gmail.com> wrote:
> I want to write with the spirit that I respect the co-founders of the
> Wikimedians of the Asia Pacific User Group (WAPAC) as individual volunteer
> fellow Wikimedians. Still, I strongly disagree with creating this user
> group. It seems like forming a new user group where three co-founders have
> some conflict with Wikimedia Bangladesh. But instead of finding ways to
> resolve those conflicts, they, all from Bangladesh, started a parallel user
> group and called it Wikimedians of the Asia Pacific User Group.
>
> For context, the Asia-Pacific region includes over 45 economies and is
> home to 60% of the world's population that speaks over 2,000 languages. I
> highly doubt that forming a user group due to unsolved interpersonal
> conflicts is a good idea. There is, of course, a lack of conversations with
> communities of this large region and a lack of regional representation. Not
> to mention, ESEAP, the organiser of Wikimania this year, had no clue. There
> are many ways to solve interpersonal conflicts, but creating a user group
> without a real reason is not one.
>
> Subhashish
>
>
> On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 3:00?PM Iftekhar Hossain Iftee <
> i.h.iftee71@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Note: my last mail was caught in moderation queue, I sent it before
>> Aishik's last mail but it got approved after his mail.
>>
>> Iftee
>>
>> On Sat, May 27, 2023, 7:41 PM Aaqib Anjum Aafi <AaqibAnjumAafi@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am not sure where is the disappointing stuff in this thread. You are
>>> free to start a usergroup and work under an umbrella which adds more to the
>>> diversity of the movement, and I suppose it should, in your case, given
>>> you plenty of valuable contributions. However, calling helpful and friendly
>>> suggestions of others on certain errors that you made as "something
>>> unconstructive" is just being dishonest. Most of the comments on this
>>> thread are telling you constructively to engage with the larger community,
>>> for instance, with regards to the name of the usergroup. I run a thematic
>>> usergroup and I had to go through months of AffCom review: this thing
>>> overlaps this thing and so on, even though I had not used any such name or
>>> overlapped seriously with any specific community. However, the wider
>>> community groups in India where consulted by AffCom before they approved my
>>> usergroup application.
>>>
>>> The reason of me telling this to you is that most of the people
>>> commenting here are sharing their experiences and telling you what should
>>> be the correct step. You should invite all the communities that are in the
>>> region with which the name overlaps and have their comments heard, and if
>>> that doesn't reach any conclusion, you can opt for a different name that
>>> could perhaps serve your ideas and goals better.
>>>
>>> I hope this makes some sense.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines
>>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
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