I want to write with the spirit that I respect the co-founders of the
Wikimedians of the Asia Pacific User Group (WAPAC) as individual volunteer
fellow Wikimedians. Still, I strongly disagree with creating this user
group. It seems like forming a new user group where three co-founders have
some conflict with Wikimedia Bangladesh. But instead of finding ways to
resolve those conflicts, they, all from Bangladesh, started a parallel user
group and called it Wikimedians of the Asia Pacific User Group.
For context, the Asia-Pacific region includes over 45 economies and is home
to 60% of the world's population that speaks over 2,000 languages. I highly
doubt that forming a user group due to unsolved interpersonal conflicts is
a good idea. There is, of course, a lack of conversations with communities
of this large region and a lack of regional representation. Not to
mention, ESEAP, the organiser of Wikimania this year, had no clue. There
are many ways to solve interpersonal conflicts, but creating a user group
without a real reason is not one.
Subhashish
On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 3:00?PM Iftekhar Hossain Iftee <
i.h.iftee71@gmail.com> wrote:
> Note: my last mail was caught in moderation queue, I sent it before
> Aishik's last mail but it got approved after his mail.
>
> Iftee
>
> On Sat, May 27, 2023, 7:41 PM Aaqib Anjum Aafi <AaqibAnjumAafi@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I am not sure where is the disappointing stuff in this thread. You are
>> free to start a usergroup and work under an umbrella which adds more to the
>> diversity of the movement, and I suppose it should, in your case, given
>> you plenty of valuable contributions. However, calling helpful and friendly
>> suggestions of others on certain errors that you made as "something
>> unconstructive" is just being dishonest. Most of the comments on this
>> thread are telling you constructively to engage with the larger community,
>> for instance, with regards to the name of the usergroup. I run a thematic
>> usergroup and I had to go through months of AffCom review: this thing
>> overlaps this thing and so on, even though I had not used any such name or
>> overlapped seriously with any specific community. However, the wider
>> community groups in India where consulted by AffCom before they approved my
>> usergroup application.
>>
>> The reason of me telling this to you is that most of the people
>> commenting here are sharing their experiences and telling you what should
>> be the correct step. You should invite all the communities that are in the
>> region with which the name overlaps and have their comments heard, and if
>> that doesn't reach any conclusion, you can opt for a different name that
>> could perhaps serve your ideas and goals better.
>>
>> I hope this makes some sense.
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Wikimedians of the Asia Pacific User Group (WAPAC) as individual volunteer
fellow Wikimedians. Still, I strongly disagree with creating this user
group. It seems like forming a new user group where three co-founders have
some conflict with Wikimedia Bangladesh. But instead of finding ways to
resolve those conflicts, they, all from Bangladesh, started a parallel user
group and called it Wikimedians of the Asia Pacific User Group.
For context, the Asia-Pacific region includes over 45 economies and is home
to 60% of the world's population that speaks over 2,000 languages. I highly
doubt that forming a user group due to unsolved interpersonal conflicts is
a good idea. There is, of course, a lack of conversations with communities
of this large region and a lack of regional representation. Not to
mention, ESEAP, the organiser of Wikimania this year, had no clue. There
are many ways to solve interpersonal conflicts, but creating a user group
without a real reason is not one.
Subhashish
On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 3:00?PM Iftekhar Hossain Iftee <
i.h.iftee71@gmail.com> wrote:
> Note: my last mail was caught in moderation queue, I sent it before
> Aishik's last mail but it got approved after his mail.
>
> Iftee
>
> On Sat, May 27, 2023, 7:41 PM Aaqib Anjum Aafi <AaqibAnjumAafi@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I am not sure where is the disappointing stuff in this thread. You are
>> free to start a usergroup and work under an umbrella which adds more to the
>> diversity of the movement, and I suppose it should, in your case, given
>> you plenty of valuable contributions. However, calling helpful and friendly
>> suggestions of others on certain errors that you made as "something
>> unconstructive" is just being dishonest. Most of the comments on this
>> thread are telling you constructively to engage with the larger community,
>> for instance, with regards to the name of the usergroup. I run a thematic
>> usergroup and I had to go through months of AffCom review: this thing
>> overlaps this thing and so on, even though I had not used any such name or
>> overlapped seriously with any specific community. However, the wider
>> community groups in India where consulted by AffCom before they approved my
>> usergroup application.
>>
>> The reason of me telling this to you is that most of the people
>> commenting here are sharing their experiences and telling you what should
>> be the correct step. You should invite all the communities that are in the
>> region with which the name overlaps and have their comments heard, and if
>> that doesn't reach any conclusion, you can opt for a different name that
>> could perhaps serve your ideas and goals better.
>>
>> I hope this makes some sense.
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