Unfortunately you cant talk about the outcome of a result prior to it
taking place.
On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 at 07:55, Chico Venancio <chicocvenancio@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I'm a bit disappointed that we're discussing the results of a vote after
> it was taken, these things have to be voiced and discussed before the
> voting begins, not after a result you may disagree with has been tallied.
>
> Chico Venancio
>
> Em qui., 16 de fev. de 2023 às 19:51, Joe Sutherland <
> jsutherland@wikimedia.org> escreveu:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> There are a few things I do wonder about, which are not clear from the
>>> conversation/statistics:
>>> - is the approval rating significantly different among voters from
>>> smaller projects than in larger projects? I don't know if the voting
>>> infrastructure even allows for such a breakdown.
>>> - are within projects, certain types of users over represented? For
>>> example, I would love some breakdown along tenure (how long have editors
>>> been around), rights holders (admin, arbcom, etc) and how those compare to
>>> the populations in their respective communities.
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately this kind of breakdown data isn't possible with SecurePoll
>> - that's by design, since the system anonymises votes as they're placed. So
>> there would be no way to know who exactly a "yes" or a "no" came from in
>> the data, and thus no way to get more granular data (at least as things are
>> set up right now).
>>
>> best,
>> Joe
>>
>> --
>> *Joe Sutherland* (he/him)
>> Lead Trust and Safety Specialist
>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 at 10:59, effe iets anders <effeietsanders@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that these are valid concerns, as is the point that we should
>>> consider how the 'homewiki' (or whatever demographic you choose to follow)
>>> distribution across those votes impacts the outcome. I think there will be
>>> general agreement that more participation would be great (although I feel
>>> that I have to admit, that this time around I didn't vote myself: just
>>> didn't get to reading the proposals carefully enough this time.)
>>>
>>> There are a few things I do wonder about, which are not clear from the
>>> conversation/statistics:
>>> - is the approval rating significantly different among voters from
>>> smaller projects than in larger projects? I don't know if the voting
>>> infrastructure even allows for such a breakdown.
>>> - are within projects, certain types of users over represented? For
>>> example, I would love some breakdown along tenure (how long have editors
>>> been around), rights holders (admin, arbcom, etc) and how those compare to
>>> the populations in their respective communities.
>>>
>>> A turnout this size is maybe not a high percentage of eligible voters,
>>> but note that we intentionally set our eligibility criteria low. A low
>>> percentage is then only a natural outcome. I do wonder: what kind of
>>> percentage would make colleagues more confident? And how could we
>>> realistically achieve those percentages?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Lodewijk
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 7:55 PM <Adel.nehaoua.wiki@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
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taking place.
On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 at 07:55, Chico Venancio <chicocvenancio@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I'm a bit disappointed that we're discussing the results of a vote after
> it was taken, these things have to be voiced and discussed before the
> voting begins, not after a result you may disagree with has been tallied.
>
> Chico Venancio
>
> Em qui., 16 de fev. de 2023 às 19:51, Joe Sutherland <
> jsutherland@wikimedia.org> escreveu:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> There are a few things I do wonder about, which are not clear from the
>>> conversation/statistics:
>>> - is the approval rating significantly different among voters from
>>> smaller projects than in larger projects? I don't know if the voting
>>> infrastructure even allows for such a breakdown.
>>> - are within projects, certain types of users over represented? For
>>> example, I would love some breakdown along tenure (how long have editors
>>> been around), rights holders (admin, arbcom, etc) and how those compare to
>>> the populations in their respective communities.
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately this kind of breakdown data isn't possible with SecurePoll
>> - that's by design, since the system anonymises votes as they're placed. So
>> there would be no way to know who exactly a "yes" or a "no" came from in
>> the data, and thus no way to get more granular data (at least as things are
>> set up right now).
>>
>> best,
>> Joe
>>
>> --
>> *Joe Sutherland* (he/him)
>> Lead Trust and Safety Specialist
>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 at 10:59, effe iets anders <effeietsanders@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that these are valid concerns, as is the point that we should
>>> consider how the 'homewiki' (or whatever demographic you choose to follow)
>>> distribution across those votes impacts the outcome. I think there will be
>>> general agreement that more participation would be great (although I feel
>>> that I have to admit, that this time around I didn't vote myself: just
>>> didn't get to reading the proposals carefully enough this time.)
>>>
>>> There are a few things I do wonder about, which are not clear from the
>>> conversation/statistics:
>>> - is the approval rating significantly different among voters from
>>> smaller projects than in larger projects? I don't know if the voting
>>> infrastructure even allows for such a breakdown.
>>> - are within projects, certain types of users over represented? For
>>> example, I would love some breakdown along tenure (how long have editors
>>> been around), rights holders (admin, arbcom, etc) and how those compare to
>>> the populations in their respective communities.
>>>
>>> A turnout this size is maybe not a high percentage of eligible voters,
>>> but note that we intentionally set our eligibility criteria low. A low
>>> percentage is then only a natural outcome. I do wonder: what kind of
>>> percentage would make colleagues more confident? And how could we
>>> realistically achieve those percentages?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Lodewijk
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 7:55 PM <Adel.nehaoua.wiki@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ??????? ??? ??????? ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ????? ?? ??? ??? ??
>>>> ??????? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ??? ??? ??? ????????? ??? ???????
>>>> ???? ??? ???????:
>>>> * ???? ???????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? 3097 ?????? ?? ??? 68745 ????
>>>> ????
>>>> * ??? ????????? ??? ??????? 2,290 ???? ????? ????? ??? 4% ?? ???????
>>>> ??????? ?????
>>>> * ??????? 3 ??????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ???? ????????? ??????
>>>> ?? ????? ??????? ??????? ????????
>>>> ????????:
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>>>> ??????? ?????
>>>> ??????
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