I'm a bit disappointed that we're discussing the results of a vote after it
was taken, these things have to be voiced and discussed before the voting
begins, not after a result you may disagree with has been tallied.
Chico Venancio
Em qui., 16 de fev. de 2023 às 19:51, Joe Sutherland <
jsutherland@wikimedia.org> escreveu:
> Hi there,
>
> There are a few things I do wonder about, which are not clear from the
>> conversation/statistics:
>> - is the approval rating significantly different among voters from
>> smaller projects than in larger projects? I don't know if the voting
>> infrastructure even allows for such a breakdown.
>> - are within projects, certain types of users over represented? For
>> example, I would love some breakdown along tenure (how long have editors
>> been around), rights holders (admin, arbcom, etc) and how those compare to
>> the populations in their respective communities.
>
>
> Unfortunately this kind of breakdown data isn't possible with SecurePoll -
> that's by design, since the system anonymises votes as they're placed. So
> there would be no way to know who exactly a "yes" or a "no" came from in
> the data, and thus no way to get more granular data (at least as things are
> set up right now).
>
> best,
> Joe
>
> --
> *Joe Sutherland* (he/him)
> Lead Trust and Safety Specialist
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
>
> On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 at 10:59, effe iets anders <effeietsanders@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree that these are valid concerns, as is the point that we should
>> consider how the 'homewiki' (or whatever demographic you choose to follow)
>> distribution across those votes impacts the outcome. I think there will be
>> general agreement that more participation would be great (although I feel
>> that I have to admit, that this time around I didn't vote myself: just
>> didn't get to reading the proposals carefully enough this time.)
>>
>> There are a few things I do wonder about, which are not clear from the
>> conversation/statistics:
>> - is the approval rating significantly different among voters from
>> smaller projects than in larger projects? I don't know if the voting
>> infrastructure even allows for such a breakdown.
>> - are within projects, certain types of users over represented? For
>> example, I would love some breakdown along tenure (how long have editors
>> been around), rights holders (admin, arbcom, etc) and how those compare to
>> the populations in their respective communities.
>>
>> A turnout this size is maybe not a high percentage of eligible voters,
>> but note that we intentionally set our eligibility criteria low. A low
>> percentage is then only a natural outcome. I do wonder: what kind of
>> percentage would make colleagues more confident? And how could we
>> realistically achieve those percentages?
>>
>> Best,
>> Lodewijk
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 7:55 PM <Adel.nehaoua.wiki@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
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was taken, these things have to be voiced and discussed before the voting
begins, not after a result you may disagree with has been tallied.
Chico Venancio
Em qui., 16 de fev. de 2023 às 19:51, Joe Sutherland <
jsutherland@wikimedia.org> escreveu:
> Hi there,
>
> There are a few things I do wonder about, which are not clear from the
>> conversation/statistics:
>> - is the approval rating significantly different among voters from
>> smaller projects than in larger projects? I don't know if the voting
>> infrastructure even allows for such a breakdown.
>> - are within projects, certain types of users over represented? For
>> example, I would love some breakdown along tenure (how long have editors
>> been around), rights holders (admin, arbcom, etc) and how those compare to
>> the populations in their respective communities.
>
>
> Unfortunately this kind of breakdown data isn't possible with SecurePoll -
> that's by design, since the system anonymises votes as they're placed. So
> there would be no way to know who exactly a "yes" or a "no" came from in
> the data, and thus no way to get more granular data (at least as things are
> set up right now).
>
> best,
> Joe
>
> --
> *Joe Sutherland* (he/him)
> Lead Trust and Safety Specialist
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
>
> On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 at 10:59, effe iets anders <effeietsanders@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree that these are valid concerns, as is the point that we should
>> consider how the 'homewiki' (or whatever demographic you choose to follow)
>> distribution across those votes impacts the outcome. I think there will be
>> general agreement that more participation would be great (although I feel
>> that I have to admit, that this time around I didn't vote myself: just
>> didn't get to reading the proposals carefully enough this time.)
>>
>> There are a few things I do wonder about, which are not clear from the
>> conversation/statistics:
>> - is the approval rating significantly different among voters from
>> smaller projects than in larger projects? I don't know if the voting
>> infrastructure even allows for such a breakdown.
>> - are within projects, certain types of users over represented? For
>> example, I would love some breakdown along tenure (how long have editors
>> been around), rights holders (admin, arbcom, etc) and how those compare to
>> the populations in their respective communities.
>>
>> A turnout this size is maybe not a high percentage of eligible voters,
>> but note that we intentionally set our eligibility criteria low. A low
>> percentage is then only a natural outcome. I do wonder: what kind of
>> percentage would make colleagues more confident? And how could we
>> realistically achieve those percentages?
>>
>> Best,
>> Lodewijk
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 7:55 PM <Adel.nehaoua.wiki@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ??????? ??? ??????? ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ????? ?? ??? ??? ??
>>> ??????? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ??? ??? ??? ????????? ??? ???????
>>> ???? ??? ???????:
>>> * ???? ???????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? 3097 ?????? ?? ??? 68745 ????
>>> ????
>>> * ??? ????????? ??? ??????? 2,290 ???? ????? ????? ??? 4% ?? ???????
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