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Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: licensing issues, BSD doc license vs GNU
> > 2) would this prevent said wiki being eventually merged with
> > mediawiki (under, say wikibooks, or in its own category)?
> >
> >
> > I see that at 'http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html' they
> > list the Free BSD license as 'compatible' with the GPL, but I'm
> > not exactly sure what that means...
> >
> > Ed
>
> Hello Ed,
>
> MW: MediaWiki is the software and is published under GPL.
> WP: WikiPedia is the free encyclopedia project
> WM: WikiMedia is a foundation that host several projects (including
> WikiPedia).

Right.. I understand the distinction between the software's license
and the content's license - but what I was wondering is does
the wikimedia *foundation* have a policy against accepting a
sister project's content with a different license than the Gnu FDL?


I sincerely believe that the FreeBSD is a better fit for my wiki
than the GnuFDL - especially because it can be sublicensed - but hesitate
to do so if it would jeapordize having the wiki accepted as a sister
project..

Anyways, I'm moving this over to foundation-l, now that I look at it,
it seems a better fit there..

Ed
Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: licensing issues, BSD doc license vs GNU [ In reply to ]
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 01:32, Edward Peschko wrote:
> I sincerely believe that the FreeBSD is a better fit for my wiki
> than the GnuFDL - especially because it can be sublicensed - but hesitate
> to do so if it would jeapordize having the wiki accepted as a sister
> project..

If your project is unique/unusual and is related to sciences and I like it, I
may be able to accept it as a project of my site, the Wikinerds Community <
http://portal.wikinerds.org >, which means that I will offer free hosting and
I will have control over the project's policies (practically this means
enforcing http://www.wikinerds.org/legal and having a link to Wikinerds.org
homepage and forum). If you are interested, send a detailed description of
the project and a link to a webpage where I can see your work, together with
the text of the license you want to use and a short introduction of yourself
including your full name and a link to your personal homepage at
info@wikinerds.org

--
NSK
The Wikinerds Community Federation of Science Wikis
Owner of the Wikinerds Portal http://portal.wikinerds.org
Owner of the NerdyPC IT Wiki http://www.nerdypc.org
Re: Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: licensing issues, BSD doc license vs GNU [ In reply to ]
Edward Peschko wrote:
> Right.. I understand the distinction between the software's license
> and the content's license - but what I was wondering is does
> the wikimedia *foundation* have a policy against accepting a
> sister project's content with a different license than the Gnu FDL?

I'm not sure what you mean here by "sister project". That term is
something that we reserve for all of our internal projects. There is
no process whereby an outside project can become formally recognized
by us in anyway, and I'm not particularly keen on doing so, just
because of the time and energy that would be required for a process of
scrutiny.

So far, all of our projects have been GNU FDL. Wikinews is currently
using public domain, because there is an ongoing discussion and
learning process about what sorts of things we might need to do in
that case.

There are projects which are friends, but it is informal. Wikitravel
for example, is not a wikimedia project, but we are friends with Evan.

--Jimbo

--
"La nèfle est un fruit." - first words of 50,000th article on fr.wikipedia.org
Re: Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: licensing issues, BSD doc license vs GNU [ In reply to ]
NSK, this list is not for solicitation of business.

--Jimbo

NSK wrote:

> On Wednesday 05 January 2005 01:32, Edward Peschko wrote:
> > I sincerely believe that the FreeBSD is a better fit for my wiki
> > than the GnuFDL - especially because it can be sublicensed - but hesitate
> > to do so if it would jeapordize having the wiki accepted as a sister
> > project..
>
> If your project is unique/unusual and is related to sciences and I like it, I
> may be able to accept it as a project of my site, the Wikinerds Community <
> http://portal.wikinerds.org >, which means that I will offer free hosting and
> I will have control over the project's policies (practically this means
> enforcing http://www.wikinerds.org/legal and having a link to Wikinerds.org
> homepage and forum). If you are interested, send a detailed description of
> the project and a link to a webpage where I can see your work, together with
> the text of the license you want to use and a short introduction of yourself
> including your full name and a link to your personal homepage at
> info@wikinerds.org
>
> --
> NSK
> The Wikinerds Community Federation of Science Wikis
> Owner of the Wikinerds Portal http://portal.wikinerds.org
> Owner of the NerdyPC IT Wiki http://www.nerdypc.org
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>

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Re: Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: licensing issues, BSD doc license vs GNU [ In reply to ]
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:49:46AM -0800, Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales wrote:
> Edward Peschko wrote:
> > Right.. I understand the distinction between the software's license
> > and the content's license - but what I was wondering is does
> > the wikimedia *foundation* have a policy against accepting a
> > sister project's content with a different license than the Gnu FDL?
>
> I'm not sure what you mean here by "sister project". That term is
> something that we reserve for all of our internal projects. There is
> no process whereby an outside project can become formally recognized
> by us in anyway, and I'm not particularly keen on doing so, just
> because of the time and energy that would be required for a process of
> scrutiny.
>
> So far, all of our projects have been GNU FDL. Wikinews is currently
> using public domain, because there is an ongoing discussion and
> learning process about what sorts of things we might need to do in
> that case.
>
> There are projects which are friends, but it is informal. Wikitravel
> for example, is not a wikimedia project, but we are friends with Evan.
>
> --Jimbo


I understand the reasons for both the preference for GNU FDL and
the 'friends vs sister projects' distinction, but I believe the project
in question warrants some exceptions. Its called 'wikiresearch'
(bring the power of wikis to research projects) - and I think that there
three basic reasons why the foundation should make an exception on both fronts
in this case:

1) 'wikiresearch' is about as generic a project as they come. There
have been rumblings about it on wikibooks (where it is listed
as a 'candidate for deletion' because it doesn't fit the wikibook
mold. Hence, ultimately it makes sense as a foundation project.

2) mediawiki as it stands is not a 'good fit' for research projects, both
software wise and license wise.

For example, the GFDL license and complete openness would scare away
most researchers - they want to control how their content is modified
and viewed. For them, the more important thing is to get *open comment*
on their works, not open edits - as well as control *when* it is made
public. This requires IMO something more like the BSD license
(which can be sublicensed), as well as mods to the mediawiki software
to allow people to have their own subprojects which they can admin.

Likewise, they would want to ultimately take the content that they've
created online and publish it, as well as be able to get people to cite
it. Again, this requires mediawiki mods.

3) If this is truly going to work, it is going to need three things: as much
freedom as possible to 'get it right' in the form of experiments,
close working w/mediawiki developers to make sure that any mods made to
mediawiki could ultimately be reincorporated back into the main
mediawiki branch, and as much exposure of wikiresearch as possible
to the outside world by its ultimate inclusion as a sister project.


In short, I'd like to be able to experiment with mediawiki and modify it so
that it fits the research problem domain, try it versus a test research
project, and treat all this as a 'dry run' - and then take the work that
was done and encorporate it back into the main branch.

However, if not using the GFDL would interefere with this, or people have
qualms with using the BSD license && sublicensing wiki content, I'd be
willing to discuss it... And of course comments on any of the above
are most welcome...

Ed


(
ps -
in any case, I've applied for two sourceforge projects: wikiresearch
and energywiki... I'll let people know when they come through and there
are mailing lists available..
)