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Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
> Has anyone gotten PXELinux to work on the Intel Imacs or other EFI Based
> Systems?
>
>
Not I. I haven't had a chance to invest to much time into it though.

One thing I found, with ppc, and early? (haven't tested anything
recently) intel machines did not respect the next-server directive.
Netbooting wouldn't work at all unless the dhcp server and tftp server
were running on the same host.

I am still quite interested in getting this working, but I am not a
programmer.

-A

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That doesn't seem to be the case with the intel Macs,

I believe that the Intel MACs boot code needs to receive a BSDP Packet
(Boot Service Discovery Protocol). I think that With some trying I can
get this to work, I'll keep you updated (It's going to involve some
crafy .net programming though)


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Behalf Of Andrew Stuart
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:29 PM
To: For discussion of SYSLINUX and tftp-hpa
Subject: Re: [syslinux] PXE Linux and EFI....or Intel MACs

Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
> Has anyone gotten PXELinux to work on the Intel Imacs or other EFI
Based
> Systems?
>
>
Not I. I haven't had a chance to invest to much time into it though.

One thing I found, with ppc, and early? (haven't tested anything
recently) intel machines did not respect the next-server directive.
Netbooting wouldn't work at all unless the dhcp server and tftp server
were running on the same host.

I am still quite interested in getting this working, but I am not a
programmer.

-A

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-----Original Message-----
> From: syslinux-bounces@zytor.com [mailto:syslinux-bounces@zytor.com] On
> Behalf Of Andrew Stuart
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:29 PM
> To: For discussion of SYSLINUX and tftp-hpa
> Subject: Re: [syslinux] PXE Linux and EFI....or Intel MACs
>
> Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
>
>> Has anyone gotten PXELinux to work on the Intel Imacs or other EFI
>>
> Based
>
>> Systems?
>>
>>
>>
> Not I. I haven't had a chance to invest to much time into it though.
>
> One thing I found, with ppc, and early? (haven't tested anything
> recently) intel machines did not respect the next-server directive.
> Netbooting wouldn't work at all unless the dhcp server and tftp server
> were running on the same host.
>
> I am still quite interested in getting this working, but I am not a
> programmer.
>
> -A
>
>

Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
> That doesn't seem to be the case with the intel Macs,
>
> I believe that the Intel MACs boot code needs to receive a BSDP Packet
> (Boot Service Discovery Protocol). I think that With some trying I can
> get this to work, I'll keep you updated (It's going to involve some
> crafy .net programming though)

Please post at the bottom, it makes reading the digest, etc easier.

To make sure I was clear, it seemed to be an issue with at least the
earlier firmware on the intel line. I did just test it with a recent mbp
and it worked fine.
Have you got your macs netbooting? If you haven't got that far, I can
try to dig up some of the information I found / used to be able to
netboot NetRestore.. but that bypasses syslinux.

-A

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The problem is that we are trying to deploy windows to the new MBPs, so
the apple stuff really isn't going to work.

I need to be able to start syslinux and do the regular RIS/WDS stuff.

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Subject: Re: [syslinux] PXE Linux and EFI....or Intel MACs


-----Original Message-----
> From: syslinux-bounces@zytor.com [mailto:syslinux-bounces@zytor.com]
On
> Behalf Of Andrew Stuart
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:29 PM
> To: For discussion of SYSLINUX and tftp-hpa
> Subject: Re: [syslinux] PXE Linux and EFI....or Intel MACs
>
> Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
>
>> Has anyone gotten PXELinux to work on the Intel Imacs or other EFI
>>
> Based
>
>> Systems?
>>
>>
>>
> Not I. I haven't had a chance to invest to much time into it though.
>
> One thing I found, with ppc, and early? (haven't tested anything
> recently) intel machines did not respect the next-server directive.
> Netbooting wouldn't work at all unless the dhcp server and tftp server

> were running on the same host.
>
> I am still quite interested in getting this working, but I am not a
> programmer.
>
> -A
>
>

Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
> That doesn't seem to be the case with the intel Macs,
>
> I believe that the Intel MACs boot code needs to receive a BSDP Packet
> (Boot Service Discovery Protocol). I think that With some trying I can
> get this to work, I'll keep you updated (It's going to involve some
> crafy .net programming though)

Please post at the bottom, it makes reading the digest, etc easier.

To make sure I was clear, it seemed to be an issue with at least the
earlier firmware on the intel line. I did just test it with a recent mbp

and it worked fine.
Have you got your macs netbooting? If you haven't got that far, I can
try to dig up some of the information I found / used to be able to
netboot NetRestore.. but that bypasses syslinux.

-A

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-----Original Message-----
> From: syslinux-bounces@zytor.com [mailto:syslinux-bounces@zytor.com] On
> Behalf Of Andrew Stuart
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:48 PM
> To: For discussion of SYSLINUX and tftp-hpa
> Subject: Re: [syslinux] PXE Linux and EFI....or Intel MACs
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: syslinux-bounces@zytor.com [mailto:syslinux-bounces@zytor.com]
>>
> On
>
>> Behalf Of Andrew Stuart
>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:29 PM
>> To: For discussion of SYSLINUX and tftp-hpa
>> Subject: Re: [syslinux] PXE Linux and EFI....or Intel MACs
>>
>> Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Has anyone gotten PXELinux to work on the Intel Imacs or other EFI
>>>
>>>
>> Based
>>
>>
>>> Systems?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Not I. I haven't had a chance to invest to much time into it though.
>>
>> One thing I found, with ppc, and early? (haven't tested anything
>> recently) intel machines did not respect the next-server directive.
>> Netbooting wouldn't work at all unless the dhcp server and tftp server
>>
>
>
>> were running on the same host.
>>
>> I am still quite interested in getting this working, but I am not a
>> programmer.
>>
>> -A
>>
>>
>>
>
> Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
>
>> That doesn't seem to be the case with the intel Macs,
>>
>> I believe that the Intel MACs boot code needs to receive a BSDP Packet
>> (Boot Service Discovery Protocol). I think that With some trying I can
>> get this to work, I'll keep you updated (It's going to involve some
>> crafy .net programming though)
>>
>
> Please post at the bottom, it makes reading the digest, etc easier.
>
> To make sure I was clear, it seemed to be an issue with at least the
> earlier firmware on the intel line. I did just test it with a recent mbp
>
> and it worked fine.
> Have you got your macs netbooting? If you haven't got that far, I can
> try to dig up some of the information I found / used to be able to
> netboot NetRestore.. but that bypasses syslinux.
>
> -A
>
>
Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
> The problem is that we are trying to deploy windows to the new MBPs, so
> the apple stuff really isn't going to work.
>
> I need to be able to start syslinux and do the regular RIS/WDS stuff.
Not sure if this will work for you, but check out NetRestore.
http://www.bombich.com/software/netrestore.html
It supports deploying of windows. The reason I am not sure, is I don't
know if you can deploy just windows, and I don't know if it supports
Leopard yet.

Unless you know something I don't, loading Windows on a mac without 'the
apple stuff' is not possible at this time. If I recall correctly
Microsoft removed
EFI support from their products with the exclusion of ia64 branches. It
is my understanding, that you will *require* bootcamp to support
windows, but again, I haven't kept up on that.

-A

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Apple has a BCM (BIOS Compatibility Module) in its Firmware, so you can
boot a regular X86 Operating system just fine from CD or HDD, what you
cannot do however, is boot from LAN in the BCM.

Partly because there is no PXE Undi Code in the BCM and partly because
Etherboot (Rom-O-Matic.net) does not support the Marvell Yukon Chipsets.

The problem is that Netrestore and Netboot for that matter need to be
running on a MAC or OSX Server for that matter. I'm not going to buy a
mac server OS (Don't want to manage it) and I'm not going to buy a mini
for the sake of doing netrestore.

Netrestore is free and open source, so maybe I can pick out the good
bits and hack something up to get pxelinux working.

-----Original Message-----
From: syslinux-bounces@zytor.com [mailto:syslinux-bounces@zytor.com] On
Behalf Of Andrew Stuart
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 4:56 PM
To: For discussion of SYSLINUX and tftp-hpa
Subject: Re: [syslinux] PXE Linux and EFI....or Intel MACs


-----Original Message-----
> From: syslinux-bounces@zytor.com [mailto:syslinux-bounces@zytor.com]
On
> Behalf Of Andrew Stuart
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:48 PM
> To: For discussion of SYSLINUX and tftp-hpa
> Subject: Re: [syslinux] PXE Linux and EFI....or Intel MACs
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: syslinux-bounces@zytor.com [mailto:syslinux-bounces@zytor.com]
>>
> On
>
>> Behalf Of Andrew Stuart
>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:29 PM
>> To: For discussion of SYSLINUX and tftp-hpa
>> Subject: Re: [syslinux] PXE Linux and EFI....or Intel MACs
>>
>> Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Has anyone gotten PXELinux to work on the Intel Imacs or other EFI
>>>
>>>
>> Based
>>
>>
>>> Systems?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Not I. I haven't had a chance to invest to much time into it though.
>>
>> One thing I found, with ppc, and early? (haven't tested anything
>> recently) intel machines did not respect the next-server directive.
>> Netbooting wouldn't work at all unless the dhcp server and tftp
server
>>
>
>
>> were running on the same host.
>>
>> I am still quite interested in getting this working, but I am not a
>> programmer.
>>
>> -A
>>
>>
>>
>
> Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
>
>> That doesn't seem to be the case with the intel Macs,
>>
>> I believe that the Intel MACs boot code needs to receive a BSDP
Packet
>> (Boot Service Discovery Protocol). I think that With some trying I
can
>> get this to work, I'll keep you updated (It's going to involve some
>> crafy .net programming though)
>>
>
> Please post at the bottom, it makes reading the digest, etc easier.
>
> To make sure I was clear, it seemed to be an issue with at least the
> earlier firmware on the intel line. I did just test it with a recent
mbp
>
> and it worked fine.
> Have you got your macs netbooting? If you haven't got that far, I can
> try to dig up some of the information I found / used to be able to
> netboot NetRestore.. but that bypasses syslinux.
>
> -A
>
>
Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
> The problem is that we are trying to deploy windows to the new MBPs,
so
> the apple stuff really isn't going to work.
>
> I need to be able to start syslinux and do the regular RIS/WDS stuff.
Not sure if this will work for you, but check out NetRestore.
http://www.bombich.com/software/netrestore.html
It supports deploying of windows. The reason I am not sure, is I don't
know if you can deploy just windows, and I don't know if it supports
Leopard yet.

Unless you know something I don't, loading Windows on a mac without 'the

apple stuff' is not possible at this time. If I recall correctly
Microsoft removed
EFI support from their products with the exclusion of ia64 branches. It
is my understanding, that you will *require* bootcamp to support
windows, but again, I haven't kept up on that.

-A

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Whoops, ok Netrestore won't work, it relies on netboot/

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Behalf Of Andrew Stuart
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 4:56 PM
To: For discussion of SYSLINUX and tftp-hpa
Subject: Re: [syslinux] PXE Linux and EFI....or Intel MACs


-----Original Message-----
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On
> Behalf Of Andrew Stuart
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:48 PM
> To: For discussion of SYSLINUX and tftp-hpa
> Subject: Re: [syslinux] PXE Linux and EFI....or Intel MACs
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: syslinux-bounces@zytor.com [mailto:syslinux-bounces@zytor.com]
>>
> On
>
>> Behalf Of Andrew Stuart
>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:29 PM
>> To: For discussion of SYSLINUX and tftp-hpa
>> Subject: Re: [syslinux] PXE Linux and EFI....or Intel MACs
>>
>> Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Has anyone gotten PXELinux to work on the Intel Imacs or other EFI
>>>
>>>
>> Based
>>
>>
>>> Systems?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Not I. I haven't had a chance to invest to much time into it though.
>>
>> One thing I found, with ppc, and early? (haven't tested anything
>> recently) intel machines did not respect the next-server directive.
>> Netbooting wouldn't work at all unless the dhcp server and tftp
server
>>
>
>
>> were running on the same host.
>>
>> I am still quite interested in getting this working, but I am not a
>> programmer.
>>
>> -A
>>
>>
>>
>
> Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
>
>> That doesn't seem to be the case with the intel Macs,
>>
>> I believe that the Intel MACs boot code needs to receive a BSDP
Packet
>> (Boot Service Discovery Protocol). I think that With some trying I
can
>> get this to work, I'll keep you updated (It's going to involve some
>> crafy .net programming though)
>>
>
> Please post at the bottom, it makes reading the digest, etc easier.
>
> To make sure I was clear, it seemed to be an issue with at least the
> earlier firmware on the intel line. I did just test it with a recent
mbp
>
> and it worked fine.
> Have you got your macs netbooting? If you haven't got that far, I can
> try to dig up some of the information I found / used to be able to
> netboot NetRestore.. but that bypasses syslinux.
>
> -A
>
>
Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
> The problem is that we are trying to deploy windows to the new MBPs,
so
> the apple stuff really isn't going to work.
>
> I need to be able to start syslinux and do the regular RIS/WDS stuff.
Not sure if this will work for you, but check out NetRestore.
http://www.bombich.com/software/netrestore.html
It supports deploying of windows. The reason I am not sure, is I don't
know if you can deploy just windows, and I don't know if it supports
Leopard yet.

Unless you know something I don't, loading Windows on a mac without 'the

apple stuff' is not possible at this time. If I recall correctly
Microsoft removed
EFI support from their products with the exclusion of ia64 branches. It
is my understanding, that you will *require* bootcamp to support
windows, but again, I haven't kept up on that.

-A

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Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
> Has anyone gotten PXELinux to work on the Intel Imacs or other EFI Based
> Systems?

You would have to do so inside BIOS emulation mode (I think it's called
BootCamp on Apple.)

-hpa

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Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
> Apple has a BCM (BIOS Compatibility Module) in its Firmware, so you can
> boot a regular X86 Operating system just fine from CD or HDD, what you
> cannot do however, is boot from LAN in the BCM.
>
> Partly because there is no PXE Undi Code in the BCM and partly because
> Etherboot (Rom-O-Matic.net) does not support the Marvell Yukon Chipsets.
>
> The problem is that Netrestore and Netboot for that matter need to be
> running on a MAC or OSX Server for that matter. I'm not going to buy a
> mac server OS (Don't want to manage it) and I'm not going to buy a mini
> for the sake of doing netrestore.
>
> Netrestore is free and open source, so maybe I can pick out the good
> bits and hack something up to get pxelinux working.
>

Interesting, I will need to check out the BCM

The later part of your statement isn't 'true'. And that is part of what
I was trying to ask earlier, but wasn't clear on.

I can netboot my ppc/intel machines fine, from FreeBSD, and tftp32. I
can at least boot the NetRestore image just fine. I also had some
success with other loaders, but I didn't get to complete that work.

If you would like, I can try to digg up some of the links I found / my
working config, if that will help.

-A

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Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
> The problem is that Netrestore and Netboot for that matter need to be
> running on a MAC or OSX Server for that matter. I'm not going to buy a
> mac server OS (Don't want to manage it) and I'm not going to buy a mini
> for the sake of doing netrestore.
>
> Netrestore is free and open source, so maybe I can pick out the good
> bits and hack something up to get pxelinux working.

http://www.afp548.com/article.php?story=20061220102102611. There is also
more information on Jeff McCune's site. If I recall there was an error
in the process that I had to fix. I will try and look when I get home
tonight.

Since I am guessing you are trying to do this with WDS by your other
message / .net comment, I believe the parts you need to worry about
trying to 'port' over, is the Vendor classes (example of
/etc/dhcpd.conf) and then just setup your tftp tree (TFTP Server
Configuration)..

Hopefully BCM can be added to this mix somehow if that is the way you
want/need to go.

-A

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What options need to be set in dhcp to get the mac to boot?

I already have 66 , 67 set

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Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:48 PM
To: For discussion of SYSLINUX and tftp-hpa
Subject: Re: [syslinux] PXE Linux and EFI....or Intel MACs

Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
> The problem is that Netrestore and Netboot for that matter need to be
> running on a MAC or OSX Server for that matter. I'm not going to buy a
> mac server OS (Don't want to manage it) and I'm not going to buy a
mini
> for the sake of doing netrestore.
>
> Netrestore is free and open source, so maybe I can pick out the good
> bits and hack something up to get pxelinux working.

http://www.afp548.com/article.php?story=20061220102102611. There is also

more information on Jeff McCune's site. If I recall there was an error
in the process that I had to fix. I will try and look when I get home
tonight.

Since I am guessing you are trying to do this with WDS by your other
message / .net comment, I believe the parts you need to worry about
trying to 'port' over, is the Vendor classes (example of
/etc/dhcpd.conf) and then just setup your tftp tree (TFTP Server
Configuration)..

Hopefully BCM can be added to this mix somehow if that is the way you
want/need to go.

-A

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Op 21-01-2008 om 17:53 schreef Jacob Alifrangis:
> What options need to be set in dhcp to get the mac to boot?
>
> I already have 66 , 67 set

What are the options 66 and 67?
I couldn't find them at http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1533.html
which is 'RFC 1533 - DHCP Options and BOOTP Vendor Extensions'


Cheers
Geert Stappers
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66: Boot Server Name (tftp.example.com)
67: Boot filename (pxelinux.0)


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Behalf Of Geert Stappers
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:08 AM
To: syslinux@zytor.com
Subject: Re: [syslinux] PXE Linux and EFI....or Intel MACs

Op 21-01-2008 om 17:53 schreef Jacob Alifrangis:
> What options need to be set in dhcp to get the mac to boot?
>
> I already have 66 , 67 set

What are the options 66 and 67?
I couldn't find them at http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1533.html
which is 'RFC 1533 - DHCP Options and BOOTP Vendor Extensions'


Cheers
Geert Stappers
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(in other words: Reply _below_ the text ... )

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--On Tuesday, January 22, 2008 01:07:50 PM +0100 Geert Stappers
<stappers@stappers.nl> wrote:

> Op 21-01-2008 om 17:53 schreef Jacob Alifrangis:
>> What options need to be set in dhcp to get the mac to boot?
>>
>> I already have 66 , 67 set
>
> What are the options 66 and 67?
> I couldn't find them at http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1533.html
> which is 'RFC 1533 - DHCP Options and BOOTP Vendor Extensions'

RFC1533 is obsoleted by RFC2132; see the index (rfc-index.txt or, on the
faqs.org page, click on "Complete Index" in the upper right corner).

Those options are defined in RFC2132 sections 9.4 and 9.5, respectively.

Note that while that document contains specifications for a large number of
options, it is not and cannot be an exhaustive list. For a list of all
standardized DHCP options and pointers to their specifications, see the
IANA registry at <http://www.iana.org/assignments/bootp-dhcp-parameters>.

-- Jeffrey T. Hutzelman (N3NHS) <jhutz+@cmu.edu>
Carnegie Mellon University - Pittsburgh, PA

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