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Off topic, sort of
I'm not sure if consensus is possible, but maybe a majority is good
enough...

What should the list administrators do with people sending out of office
messages in response to mailing list messages?

a) Unsubscribe, but only when they send to the message originator
b) Unsubscribe, also if they send to the mailing list address
c) Do nothing but accepting it as a fact of life



----- Original Message -----
From: "Walz, Russell" <RWalz@ciena.com>
To: "Alex van den Bogaerdt" <alex@vandenbogaerdt.nl>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 5:58 PM
Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: [spf-help] Falling back to parent
domains...


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Re: Off topic, sort of [ In reply to ]
At 17:21 08/03/2010 Monday, Alex van den Bogaerdt wrote:
>I'm not sure if consensus is possible, but maybe a majority is good enough...
>
>What should the list administrators do with people sending out of office messages in response to mailing list messages?
>
>a) Unsubscribe, but only when they send to the message originator

so far this is the only class that is seen
{i suspect properly run auto-responders, A ignore list-mail, B would be autofiltered by the list}
this abusive mailing to originator despite the headers/envelope/reply-to should never be tolerated, for most its grounds for RBL inclusion for the likes of backscatter.org

>b) Unsubscribe, also if they send to the mailing list address

well if they did auto respond to the envelope-sender, then yes this would be equivalent to a bounce and thus automatically cause an un-sub

>c) Do nothing but accepting it as a fact of life

absolutely not, spam forgery and fraud are "facts of life"
i would assume were all here to try and limit/hamper the efforts of abusers {intentional or accidental} so these become less common, thus tolerating any other forms of abuse {especially within email} from list members sees a bit off




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RE: Off topic, sort of [ In reply to ]
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-----Original Message-----
From: Alex van den Bogaerdt [mailto:alex@vandenbogaerdt.nl]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:21 AM
To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
Subject: [spf-help] Off topic, sort of

I'm not sure if consensus is possible, but maybe a majority is good
enough...

What should the list administrators do with people sending out of office
messages in response to mailing list messages?

a) Unsubscribe, but only when they send to the message originator
b) Unsubscribe, also if they send to the mailing list address
c) Do nothing but accepting it as a fact of life



----- Original Message -----
From: "Walz, Russell" <RWalz@ciena.com>
To: "Alex van den Bogaerdt" <alex@vandenbogaerdt.nl>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 5:58 PM
Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: [spf-help] Falling back to parent
domains...


I will be traveling to GA on 3/8/2010 to 3/10/2010 with limited access to
email or phone. .

For any IT Security related emergencies, please contact the Help Desk.

Thank you.









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Re: Off topic, sort of [ In reply to ]
> RBL inclusion for the likes of backscatter.org

[/me makes a note to look at this, thanks]


>>b) Unsubscribe, also if they send to the mailing list address
>
> well if they did auto respond to the envelope-sender, then yes this would
> be equivalent to a bounce and thus automatically cause an un-sub

unfortunately this is not the case. Some reply to spf-help@v2.listbox.com




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Re: Off topic, sort of [ In reply to ]
At 19:09 08/03/2010 Monday, Alex van den Bogaerdt wrote:
>>RBL inclusion for the likes of backscatter.org
>
>[/me makes a note to look at this, thanks]
>
>
>>>b) Unsubscribe, also if they send to the mailing list address
>>
>>well if they did auto respond to the envelope-sender, then yes this would be equivalent to a bounce and thus automatically cause an un-sub
>
>unfortunately this is not the case. Some reply to spf-help@v2.listbox.com

still haven't seen one yet, and its been a while
but if/when they do happen yes id recommend un-sub



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Re: Off topic, sort of [ In reply to ]
I'm not sure if consensus is possible, but maybe a majority is good
> enough...
>
> What should the list administrators do with people sending out of office
> messages in response to mailing list messages?
>
> a) Unsubscribe, but only when they send to the message originator
> b) Unsubscribe, also if they send to the mailing list address
> c) Do nothing but accepting it as a fact of life
>

I moderate them and send them a message off list,when they come back if they
have not assured me they have taken the list off their out of office list
... I just unsub them and tell them why... i think 9 out of ten times i get
a sorry wont do it again etc... its usally the no response that gets
unsubbed... it does not happen that often...its usually newbies to the lists
that do this.

Tina



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Re: Off topic, sort of [ In reply to ]
>>>well if they did auto respond to the envelope-sender, then yes this would
>>>be equivalent to a bounce and thus automatically cause an un-sub
>>
>>unfortunately this is not the case. Some reply to spf-help@v2.listbox.com
>
> still haven't seen one yet, and its been a while
> but if/when they do happen yes id recommend un-sub

Listbox is doing a good job of filtering those. Many are held for review.
Unfortunately I cleaned that queue recently, so I have no example.



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Re: Off topic, sort of [ In reply to ]
Alex van den Bogaerdt wrote:
>>> b) Unsubscribe, also if they send to the mailing list address
>>
>> well if they did auto respond to the envelope-sender, then yes this
>> would be equivalent to a bounce and thus automatically cause an un-sub
>
> unfortunately this is not the case. Some reply to spf-help@v2.listbox.com

As they should. Auto-replies are intended for the human sender of the
message, so should be sent to the From: or Reply-To: headers of the
message, not the envelope sender. RFC3834 agrees.

There are Precedence: and Auto-Submitted: headers which could be added
to messages distributed to the list which may help to prevent some of
these auto-responders from responding to list posts. I'm sure Alan and
others will say that these are non-standard, but they might help and
shouldn't hurt.

Andrew


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