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From: "Chris" <Chris@040501.com>
Subject: Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:55:12 +0200

When people refer to SenderID, are they referring to SPF please ? I
thought they were two separate items ?

Chris


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From: Rob MacGregor <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:22:45 +0100

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 13:55, Chris<Chris@040501.com> wrote:
> When people refer to SenderID, are they referring to SPF please ?

No - and this is covered in the FAQ at the OpenSPF site ;)

> =3DC2=3DA0I
> thought they were two separate items ?

They are.

--=3D20
Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche

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From: Benny Pedersen <me@junc.org>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF =3D3D?UTF-8?Q?=3D3D3F?=3D3D
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:01:54 +0200

On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:22:45 +0100, Rob MacGregor <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
wrote:
> They are.

dig aol.com txt

http://old.openspf.org/wizard.html?mydomain=3D3Daol.com&submit=3D3DGo!

good example on how not to do spf :)

i wonder if postmaster@aol.com is awhere of there problem ?

--=3D20
Benny Pedersen

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From: "Chris" <Chris@040501.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:33:29 +0200

=3D20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Benny Pedersen [mailto:me@junc.org]=3D20
> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 8:02 PM
> To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
>=3D20
> On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:22:45 +0100, Rob MacGregor=3D20
> <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > They are.
>=3D20
> dig aol.com txt
>=3D20
> http://old.openspf.org/wizard.html?mydomain=3D3Daol.com&submit=3D3DGo!
>=3D20
> good example on how not to do spf :)
>=3D20
> i wonder if postmaster@aol.com is awhere of there problem ?
>=3D20
> --
> Benny Pedersen

Many thanks Benny.

Bit new to this, but I assume that aol have done something wrong there !

Chris.



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From: Rob MacGregor <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:21:10 +0100

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:33, Chris<Chris@040501.com> wrote:
>
> Bit new to this, but I assume that aol have done something wrong there !

The AOL.com record is:

v=3D3Dspf1 ptr:mx.aol.com ?all

that says:

ptr:mx.aol.com - the host that resolves from (and back to) mx.aol.com
?all - this SPF record is meaningless - accept all email

Worth reading http://www.openspf.org/SPF_Record_Syntax

--=3D20
Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche

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From: "Steve Yates" <steve@teamITS.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:17:10 -0500

Rob MacGregor wrote on Mon, Aug 10 2009 at 5:21 am:=3D0D
=3D0D
> ptr:mx.aol.com - the host that resolves from (and back to) mx.aol.com=3D0D
=3D0D
Not quite...all IPs are looked up for their reverse DNS, and any hostnames=
=3D
that end in *.mx.aol.com pass. However readers should note:=3D0D
=3D0D
"If at all possible, you should avoid using this mechanism in your SPF reco=
=3D
rd, because it will result in a larger number of expensive DNS lookups."=3D=
0D
=3D0D
...and since AOL is using ?all, they are basically just causing a lot of DN=
=3D
S lookups for no apparent reason.=3D0D
=3D0D
=3D0D
-----=3D0D
SPF FAQ: http://www.openspf.org/FAQ=3D0D
Common mistakes: http://www.openspf.org/FAQ/Common_mistakes=3D0D
=3D0D
- Steve Yates=3D0D
- ITS, Inc.=3D0D
- Automobile, n.: A four-wheeled vehicle that runs up hills and down pedes=
=3D
trians.=3D0D
=3D0D
~ Taglines by Taglinator: www.srtware.com ~=3D0D

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From: Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:32:49 +0200

Steve Yates wrote:
> Rob MacGregor wrote on Mon, Aug 10 2009 at 5:21 am:
>=3D20
>> ptr:mx.aol.com - the host that resolves from (and back to) mx.aol.com
>=3D20
> Not quite...all IPs are looked up for their reverse DNS, and any hostnam=
=3D
es that end in *.mx.aol.com pass. However readers should note:
>=3D20
> "If at all possible, you should avoid using this mechanism in your SPF re=
=3D
cord, because it will result in a larger number of expensive DNS lookups."
>=3D20
> ...and since AOL is using ?all, they are basically just causing a lot of =
=3D
DNS lookups for no apparent reason.

That may boil down to two lookups, e.g. if IP=3D3D205.188.159.57 find=3D20
da.mx.aol.com by rDNS and then check that the latter has the same IP.=3D20
Considering that these lookups are most commonly performed anyway, it=3D20
may actually cost less than include or redirect.

The "pass" they may obtain that way only serves spam scores.


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From: "Chris" <Chris@040501.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:51:37 +0200

=20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob MacGregor [mailto:rob.macgregor@gmail.com]=20
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:23 PM
> To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
>=20
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 13:55, Chris<Chris@040501.com> wrote:
> > When people refer to SenderID, are they referring to SPF please ?
>=20
> No - and this is covered in the FAQ at the OpenSPF site ;)
>=20
> > =A0I
> > thought they were two separate items ?
>=20
> They are.
>=20
> --=20
> Please keep list traffic on the list.
>=20
> Rob MacGregor
> Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
> doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche


Many thanks Rob, and the other members that helped on this. To *help*
ensure that all of my emails go to peoples inbox's, I am looking into the
3 methods of doing this - i.e., SPF, Sender ID and DomainKeys - are there
any others ? The info on the link below, seems to indicate that emails
can break with forwards, when using SPF, but not when using DomainKeys -
is that true ?

http://www.clickz.com/3485571

Chris



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From: "Steve Yates" <steve@teamITS.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:47:49 -0500

Chris wrote on Mon, Aug 17 2009 at 11:51 am:

> Many thanks Rob, and the other members that helped on this. To *help*
> ensure that all of my emails go to peoples inbox's, I am looking into
the
> 3 methods of doing this - i.e., SPF, Sender ID and DomainKeys - are
there
> any others ? The info on the link below, seems to indicate that
emails
> can break with forwards, when using SPF, but not when using DomainKeys
-
> is that true ?

First, all three don't "help" mail get delivered, they help
prevent others from using your domain to spam people. A subtle
difference.

The interaction between SPF and forwarding depends on whether
the mail is forwarded or re-sent. See:
http://www.openspf.org/FAQ/Forwarding.

My experience is that small but growing number of ISPs are refusing to
set up auto-forwards for e-mail, due not only to SPF but the probability
of forwarding spam (resulting in the ISP's server being blacklisted).

Not noted on the page you linked to (from 2005) is that DKIM and
DomainKeys are not the same thing, but that's a question for a different
list.

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- ITS, Inc.
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From: "Chris" <Chris@040501.com>
Subject: Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:55:12 +0200

When people refer to SenderID, are they referring to SPF please ? I
thought they were two separate items ?

Chris


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From: Rob MacGregor <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:22:45 +0100

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 13:55, Chris<Chris@040501.com> wrote:
> When people refer to SenderID, are they referring to SPF please ?

No - and this is covered in the FAQ at the OpenSPF site ;)

> =3D3DC2=3D3DA0I
> thought they were two separate items ?

They are.

--=3D3D20
Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
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doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche

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From: Benny Pedersen <me@junc.org>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF =3D3D3D?UTF-8?Q?=3D3D3D3F?=3D3D3D
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:01:54 +0200

On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:22:45 +0100, Rob MacGregor <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
wrote:
> They are.

dig aol.com txt

http://old.openspf.org/wizard.html?mydomain=3D3D3Daol.com&submit=3D3D3DGo!

good example on how not to do spf :)

i wonder if postmaster@aol.com is awhere of there problem ?

--=3D3D20
Benny Pedersen

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From: "Chris" <Chris@040501.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:33:29 +0200

=3D3D20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Benny Pedersen [mailto:me@junc.org]=3D3D20
> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 8:02 PM
> To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
>=3D3D20
> On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:22:45 +0100, Rob MacGregor=3D3D20
> <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > They are.
>=3D3D20
> dig aol.com txt
>=3D3D20
> http://old.openspf.org/wizard.html?mydomain=3D3D3Daol.com&submit=3D3D3DGo!
>=3D3D20
> good example on how not to do spf :)
>=3D3D20
> i wonder if postmaster@aol.com is awhere of there problem ?
>=3D3D20
> --
> Benny Pedersen

Many thanks Benny.

Bit new to this, but I assume that aol have done something wrong there !

Chris.



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From: Rob MacGregor <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:21:10 +0100

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:33, Chris<Chris@040501.com> wrote:
>
> Bit new to this, but I assume that aol have done something wrong there !

The AOL.com record is:

v=3D3D3Dspf1 ptr:mx.aol.com ?all

that says:

ptr:mx.aol.com - the host that resolves from (and back to) mx.aol.com
?all - this SPF record is meaningless - accept all email

Worth reading http://www.openspf.org/SPF_Record_Syntax

--=3D3D20
Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche

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From: "Steve Yates" <steve@teamITS.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:17:10 -0500

Rob MacGregor wrote on Mon, Aug 10 2009 at 5:21 am:=3D3D0D
=3D3D0D
> ptr:mx.aol.com - the host that resolves from (and back to) mx.aol.com=3D3=
D0D
=3D3D0D
Not quite...all IPs are looked up for their reverse DNS, and any hostnames=
=3D
=3D3D
that end in *.mx.aol.com pass. However readers should note:=3D3D0D
=3D3D0D
"If at all possible, you should avoid using this mechanism in your SPF reco=
=3D
=3D3D
rd, because it will result in a larger number of expensive DNS lookups."=3D=
3D=3D
0D
=3D3D0D
...and since AOL is using ?all, they are basically just causing a lot of DN=
=3D
=3D3D
S lookups for no apparent reason.=3D3D0D
=3D3D0D
=3D3D0D
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From: Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:32:49 +0200

Steve Yates wrote:
> Rob MacGregor wrote on Mon, Aug 10 2009 at 5:21 am:
>=3D3D20
>> ptr:mx.aol.com - the host that resolves from (and back to) mx.aol.com
>=3D3D20
> Not quite...all IPs are looked up for their reverse DNS, and any hostnam=
=3D
=3D3D
es that end in *.mx.aol.com pass. However readers should note:
>=3D3D20
> "If at all possible, you should avoid using this mechanism in your SPF re=
=3D
=3D3D
cord, because it will result in a larger number of expensive DNS lookups."
>=3D3D20
> ...and since AOL is using ?all, they are basically just causing a lot of =
=3D
=3D3D
DNS lookups for no apparent reason.

That may boil down to two lookups, e.g. if IP=3D3D3D205.188.159.57 find=3D3=
D20
da.mx.aol.com by rDNS and then check that the latter has the same IP.=3D3D20
Considering that these lookups are most commonly performed anyway, it=3D3D20
may actually cost less than include or redirect.

The "pass" they may obtain that way only serves spam scores.


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From: "Chris" <Chris@040501.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:51:37 +0200

=3D20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob MacGregor [mailto:rob.macgregor@gmail.com]=3D20
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:23 PM
> To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
>=3D20
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 13:55, Chris<Chris@040501.com> wrote:
> > When people refer to SenderID, are they referring to SPF please ?
>=3D20
> No - and this is covered in the FAQ at the OpenSPF site ;)
>=3D20
> > =3DA0I
> > thought they were two separate items ?
>=3D20
> They are.
>=3D20
> --=3D20
> Please keep list traffic on the list.
>=3D20
> Rob MacGregor
> Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
> doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche


Many thanks Rob, and the other members that helped on this. To *help*
ensure that all of my emails go to peoples inbox's, I am looking into the
3 methods of doing this - i.e., SPF, Sender ID and DomainKeys - are there
any others ? The info on the link below, seems to indicate that emails
can break with forwards, when using SPF, but not when using DomainKeys -
is that true ?

http://www.clickz.com/3485571

Chris



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From: "Steve Yates" <steve@teamITS.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:47:49 -0500

Chris wrote on Mon, Aug 17 2009 at 11:51 am:

> Many thanks Rob, and the other members that helped on this. To *help*
> ensure that all of my emails go to peoples inbox's, I am looking into
the
> 3 methods of doing this - i.e., SPF, Sender ID and DomainKeys - are
there
> any others ? The info on the link below, seems to indicate that
emails
> can break with forwards, when using SPF, but not when using DomainKeys
-
> is that true ?

First, all three don't "help" mail get delivered, they help
prevent others from using your domain to spam people. A subtle
difference.

The interaction between SPF and forwarding depends on whether
the mail is forwarded or re-sent. See:
http://www.openspf.org/FAQ/Forwarding.

My experience is that small but growing number of ISPs are refusing to
set up auto-forwards for e-mail, due not only to SPF but the probability
of forwarding spam (resulting in the ISP's server being blacklisted).

Not noted on the page you linked to (from 2005) is that DKIM and
DomainKeys are not the same thing, but that's a question for a different
list.

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From: "Chris" <Chris@040501.com>
Subject: Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:55:12 +0200

When people refer to SenderID, are they referring to SPF please ? I
thought they were two separate items ?

Chris


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From: Rob MacGregor <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:22:45 +0100

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 13:55, Chris<Chris@040501.com> wrote:
> When people refer to SenderID, are they referring to SPF please ?

No - and this is covered in the FAQ at the OpenSPF site ;)

> =3D3D3DC2=3D3D3DA0I
> thought they were two separate items ?

They are.

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Rob MacGregor
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From: Benny Pedersen <me@junc.org>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF =3D3D3D3D?UTF-8?Q?=3D3D3D3D3F?=3D3D=
3D3D
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:01:54 +0200

On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:22:45 +0100, Rob MacGregor <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
wrote:
> They are.

dig aol.com txt

http://old.openspf.org/wizard.html?mydomain=3D3D3D3Daol.com&submit=3D3D3D3D=
Go!

good example on how not to do spf :)

i wonder if postmaster@aol.com is awhere of there problem ?

--=3D3D3D20
Benny Pedersen

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From: "Chris" <Chris@040501.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:33:29 +0200

=3D3D3D20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Benny Pedersen [mailto:me@junc.org]=3D3D3D20
> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 8:02 PM
> To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
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> On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:22:45 +0100, Rob MacGregor=3D3D3D20
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> > They are.
>=3D3D3D20
> dig aol.com txt
>=3D3D3D20
> http://old.openspf.org/wizard.html?mydomain=3D3D3D3Daol.com&submit=3D3D3D=
3DGo!
>=3D3D3D20
> good example on how not to do spf :)
>=3D3D3D20
> i wonder if postmaster@aol.com is awhere of there problem ?
>=3D3D3D20
> --
> Benny Pedersen

Many thanks Benny.

Bit new to this, but I assume that aol have done something wrong there !

Chris.



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From: Rob MacGregor <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:21:10 +0100

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:33, Chris<Chris@040501.com> wrote:
>
> Bit new to this, but I assume that aol have done something wrong there !

The AOL.com record is:

v=3D3D3D3Dspf1 ptr:mx.aol.com ?all

that says:

ptr:mx.aol.com - the host that resolves from (and back to) mx.aol.com
?all - this SPF record is meaningless - accept all email

Worth reading http://www.openspf.org/SPF_Record_Syntax

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Rob MacGregor
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From: "Steve Yates" <steve@teamITS.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:17:10 -0500

Rob MacGregor wrote on Mon, Aug 10 2009 at 5:21 am:=3D3D3D0D
=3D3D3D0D
> ptr:mx.aol.com - the host that resolves from (and back to) mx.aol.com=3D3=
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Not quite...all IPs are looked up for their reverse DNS, and any hostnames=
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From: Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:32:49 +0200

Steve Yates wrote:
> Rob MacGregor wrote on Mon, Aug 10 2009 at 5:21 am:
>=3D3D3D20
>> ptr:mx.aol.com - the host that resolves from (and back to) mx.aol.com
>=3D3D3D20
> Not quite...all IPs are looked up for their reverse DNS, and any hostnam=
=3D
=3D3D
=3D3D3D
es that end in *.mx.aol.com pass. However readers should note:
>=3D3D3D20
> "If at all possible, you should avoid using this mechanism in your SPF re=
=3D
=3D3D
=3D3D3D
cord, because it will result in a larger number of expensive DNS lookups."
>=3D3D3D20
> ...and since AOL is using ?all, they are basically just causing a lot of =
=3D
=3D3D
=3D3D3D
DNS lookups for no apparent reason.

That may boil down to two lookups, e.g. if IP=3D3D3D3D205.188.159.57 find=
=3D3D3=3D
D20
da.mx.aol.com by rDNS and then check that the latter has the same IP.=3D3D3=
D20
Considering that these lookups are most commonly performed anyway, it=3D3D3=
D20
may actually cost less than include or redirect.

The "pass" they may obtain that way only serves spam scores.


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From: "Chris" <Chris@040501.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:51:37 +0200

=3D3D20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob MacGregor [mailto:rob.macgregor@gmail.com]=3D3D20
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:23 PM
> To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
>=3D3D20
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 13:55, Chris<Chris@040501.com> wrote:
> > When people refer to SenderID, are they referring to SPF please ?
>=3D3D20
> No - and this is covered in the FAQ at the OpenSPF site ;)
>=3D3D20
> > =3D3DA0I
> > thought they were two separate items ?
>=3D3D20
> They are.
>=3D3D20
> --=3D3D20
> Please keep list traffic on the list.
>=3D3D20
> Rob MacGregor
> Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
> doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche


Many thanks Rob, and the other members that helped on this. To *help*
ensure that all of my emails go to peoples inbox's, I am looking into the
3 methods of doing this - i.e., SPF, Sender ID and DomainKeys - are there
any others ? The info on the link below, seems to indicate that emails
can break with forwards, when using SPF, but not when using DomainKeys -
is that true ?

http://www.clickz.com/3485571

Chris



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From: "Steve Yates" <steve@teamITS.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:47:49 -0500

Chris wrote on Mon, Aug 17 2009 at 11:51 am:

> Many thanks Rob, and the other members that helped on this. To *help*
> ensure that all of my emails go to peoples inbox's, I am looking into
the
> 3 methods of doing this - i.e., SPF, Sender ID and DomainKeys - are
there
> any others ? The info on the link below, seems to indicate that
emails
> can break with forwards, when using SPF, but not when using DomainKeys
-
> is that true ?

First, all three don't "help" mail get delivered, they help
prevent others from using your domain to spam people. A subtle
difference.

The interaction between SPF and forwarding depends on whether
the mail is forwarded or re-sent. See:
http://www.openspf.org/FAQ/Forwarding.

My experience is that small but growing number of ISPs are refusing to
set up auto-forwards for e-mail, due not only to SPF but the probability
of forwarding spam (resulting in the ISP's server being blacklisted).

Not noted on the page you linked to (from 2005) is that DKIM and
DomainKeys are not the same thing, but that's a question for a different
list.

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Subject: On vacation message
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:18:58 +0200

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. et
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concern=C3=A9e

Dank U voor uw bericht. Ik ben met verlof tot .2/09/2009 en kan uw e-mail
niet beantwoorden. Indien U dat wenst kunt U ......... irisline
(irisline@cirb.irisnet.be) contacteren die uw vraag naar de juiste persoon
zal doorgeven.

Thank you for your e-mail. I'm on holiday till ........ (date) and will
not be able to reply to your message.Please contact .......... (e-mail
adress) who will forward your request to the appropriate person.

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From: "Ryan Sutton" <RSutton@filicebrown.com>
Subject: Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:51:56 -0700

Hello,
=20
Looking for help with SPF, I think I have set it up incorrectly.=20
=20
Situation: I'm getting a heavy volume of spam where the From Sender is
the same as the To Sender. I believe SPF should prevent this spam from
getting through.
=20
My Setup: Exchange 2003 SP2 Sender ID Filtering enabled with public
hosted DNS - easydns.com, also using Postini. I have created the
following SPF record: v=3Dspf1 ip4:192.168.103.0/24 ip4:206.14.xxx.xxx
ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx include:easydns.com ~all
=20
I edited the public IP of my Exchange server. The /20 block is for
Postini. Can anyone see something I am doing wrong here?=20
=20
Thanks,
Ryan

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From: Rob MacGregor <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:18:58 +0100

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 17:51, Ryan Sutton<RSutton@filicebrown.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Looking for help with SPF, I think I have set it up incorrectly.
>
> Situation: I'm getting a heavy volume of spam where the From Sender is
> the same as the To Sender. I believe SPF should prevent this spam from
> getting through.
>
> My Setup: Exchange 2003 SP2 Sender ID Filtering enabled with public
> hosted DNS - easydns.com, also using Postini. I have created the
> following SPF record: v=3Dspf1 ip4:192.168.103.0/24 ip4:206.14.xxx.xxx
> ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx include:easydns.com ~all
>
> I edited the public IP of my Exchange server. The /20 block is for
> Postini. Can anyone see something I am doing wrong here?

As covered in the FAQ - SenderID is NOT SPF.

Note that by using ~all you've said (as mentioned at
http://www.openspf.org/SPF_Record_Syntax) to accept, but mark
(SoftFail). If you want mail failing the SPF check to be rejected you
need to:

a) Use "-all"
b) Check SPF records at your MX hosts, configured to reject mail that Fails

To comment on your SPF record we HAVE to know the real domain in
question, it's impossible to help based on false information. Note
that the SPF record should never use RFC1918 addresses, as your
altered record appears to.

Finally, do you send email through Postini, directly to your Exchange
server, or via EasyDNS?

--=20
Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche

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From: "Ryan Sutton" <RSutton@filicebrown.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:30:40 -0700

Hi Rob,

Thanks for the reply. I will remove the private range from the SPF
record. Here is the full unedited SPF record:

v=3Dspf1 ip4:192.168.103.0/24 ip4:206.14.210.88 ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx
include:easydns.com ~all

The domain is h5marketing.com.

Inbound email goes through Postini directly to the Exchange server.
Before using Postini I used easydns, so I can remove that portion know I
supose.

So for the new SPF record it seems like this would work for me:
v=3Dspf1 ip4:206.14.210.88 ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx -all

Do you agree?

Thanks,
Ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob MacGregor [mailto:rob.macgregor@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:19 AM
To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 17:51, Ryan Sutton<RSutton@filicebrown.com>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Looking for help with SPF, I think I have set it up incorrectly.
>
> Situation: I'm getting a heavy volume of spam where the From Sender is

> the same as the To Sender. I believe SPF should prevent this spam from

> getting through.
>
> My Setup: Exchange 2003 SP2 Sender ID Filtering enabled with public=20
> hosted DNS - easydns.com, also using Postini. I have created the=20
> following SPF record: v=3Dspf1 ip4:192.168.103.0/24 ip4:206.14.xxx.xxx=20
> ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx include:easydns.com ~all
>
> I edited the public IP of my Exchange server. The /20 block is for=20
> Postini. Can anyone see something I am doing wrong here?

As covered in the FAQ - SenderID is NOT SPF.

Note that by using ~all you've said (as mentioned at
http://www.openspf.org/SPF_Record_Syntax) to accept, but mark
(SoftFail). If you want mail failing the SPF check to be rejected you
need to:

a) Use "-all"
b) Check SPF records at your MX hosts, configured to reject mail that
Fails

To comment on your SPF record we HAVE to know the real domain in
question, it's impossible to help based on false information. Note that
the SPF record should never use RFC1918 addresses, as your altered
record appears to.

Finally, do you send email through Postini, directly to your Exchange
server, or via EasyDNS?

--=20
Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche


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From: Rob MacGregor <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:56:13 +0100

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 19:30, Ryan Sutton<RSutton@filicebrown.com> wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> Thanks for the reply. I will remove the private range from the SPF
> record. Here is the full unedited SPF record:
>
> v=3Dspf1 ip4:192.168.103.0/24 ip4:206.14.210.88 ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx
> include:easydns.com ~all
>
> The domain is h5marketing.com.
>
> Inbound email goes through Postini directly to the Exchange server.
> Before using Postini I used easydns, so I can remove that portion know I
> supose.

SPF is about how you SEND email, not about how you receive it. Your
SPF record should list the IP addresses/ranges from which the domain
SENDS email.

--=20
Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche

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From: "Steve Yates" <steve@teamITS.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:02:27 -0500

Ryan Sutton wrote on Thu, Aug 20 2009 at 11:51 am:

> Situation: I'm getting a heavy volume of spam where the From Sender is
> the same as the To Sender. I believe SPF should prevent this spam from
> getting through.
> My Setup: Exchange 2003 SP2 Sender ID Filtering enabled

If you are receiving the spam, your mail server needs to check
for SPF on the incoming messages. Your SPF record is not relevant,
unless they are using your domain.

Note Sender ID is not SPF, see the FAQ.
=20
> hosted DNS - easydns.com, also using Postini. I have created the
> following SPF record: v=3Dspf1 ip4:192.168.103.0/24 ip4:206.14.xxx.xxx
> ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx include:easydns.com ~all

"ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx" needs a space before the MX (if you
published it that way, the entire record is invalid). So you send mail
out using easydns.com mail servers (as well as Postini's)? They use a
lot of servers:

easydns.com. 3600 IN TXT "v=3Dspf1 mx ptr
ip4:205.210.42.0/24 ip4:216.220.40.240/29 ip4:66.207.199.35/32
ip4:64.68.200.0/24 include:myprivacy.ca ptr:opensrs.net
ptr:registrarmail.net ptr:internetsecure.com ~all"



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From: "Ryan Sutton" <RSutton@filicebrown.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:06:46 -0700

Will SPF prevent the type of SPAM where the spammer has forged my
domains email address? This is confusing to me because SPF prevents
sender forgery, but will it prevent someone sending email to my domain
when they forge my domain address? Maybe SPF is not the right solution
to prevent this?

Thanks,
Ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob MacGregor [mailto:rob.macgregor@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:56 AM
To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 19:30, Ryan Sutton<RSutton@filicebrown.com>
wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> Thanks for the reply. I will remove the private range from the SPF=20
> record. Here is the full unedited SPF record:
>
> v=3Dspf1 ip4:192.168.103.0/24 ip4:206.14.210.88 ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx=20
> include:easydns.com ~all
>
> The domain is h5marketing.com.
>
> Inbound email goes through Postini directly to the Exchange server.
> Before using Postini I used easydns, so I can remove that portion know

> I supose.

SPF is about how you SEND email, not about how you receive it. Your SPF
record should list the IP addresses/ranges from which the domain SENDS
email.

--=20
Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche


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From: "Ryan Sutton" <RSutton@filicebrown.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:10:48 -0700

Steve,

Yes I am receiving spam on incoming mail and yes they are forging my
domain. I am no longer using easydns for outbound mail, just Postini. I
have Postini's large /20 block included in the SPF record.

Thanks,
Ryan=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Yates [mailto:steve@teamITS.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:02 PM
To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working

Ryan Sutton wrote on Thu, Aug 20 2009 at 11:51 am:

> Situation: I'm getting a heavy volume of spam where the From Sender is

> the same as the To Sender. I believe SPF should prevent this spam from

> getting through.
> My Setup: Exchange 2003 SP2 Sender ID Filtering enabled

If you are receiving the spam, your mail server needs to check
for SPF on the incoming messages. Your SPF record is not relevant,
unless they are using your domain.

Note Sender ID is not SPF, see the FAQ.
=20
> hosted DNS - easydns.com, also using Postini. I have created the=20
> following SPF record: v=3Dspf1 ip4:192.168.103.0/24 ip4:206.14.xxx.xxx=20
> ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx include:easydns.com ~all

"ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx" needs a space before the MX (if you
published it that way, the entire record is invalid). So you send mail
out using easydns.com mail servers (as well as Postini's)? They use a
lot of servers:

easydns.com. 3600 IN TXT "v=3Dspf1 mx ptr
ip4:205.210.42.0/24 ip4:216.220.40.240/29 ip4:66.207.199.35/32
ip4:64.68.200.0/24 include:myprivacy.ca ptr:opensrs.net
ptr:registrarmail.net ptr:internetsecure.com ~all"



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From: Rob MacGregor <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:11:19 +0100

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 20:06, Ryan Sutton<RSutton@filicebrown.com> wrote:
> Will SPF prevent the type of SPAM where the spammer has forged my
> domains email address? This is confusing to me because SPF prevents
> sender forgery, but will it prevent someone sending email to my domain
> when they forge my domain address? Maybe SPF is not the right solution
> to prevent this?

It will, when your SPF record says to reject FAILing checks (-all) AND
they check SPF records and honour your record's request.

--=20
Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche

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From: "Steve Yates" <steve@teamITS.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:22:17 -0500

Ryan Sutton wrote on Thu, Aug 20 2009 at 2:10 pm:

> Yes I am receiving spam on incoming mail and yes they are forging my
> domain. I am no longer using easydns for outbound mail, just Postini.
I
> have Postini's large /20 block included in the SPF record.

Then you should remove the "include:easydns.net" from your SPF
record. You only want to list your outgoing mail servers. And when
your are happy with your SPF record
(http://www.kitterman.com/spf/validate.html) then change ~all to -all.

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From: Benny Pedersen <me@junc.org>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:16:26 +0200

On Thu 20 Aug 2009 06:51:56 PM CEST, Ryan Sutton wrote
> Looking for help with SPF, I think I have set it up incorrectly.

http://old.openspf.org/wizard.html?mydomain=3Dfilicebrown.com&submit=3DGo!

> Situation: I'm getting a heavy volume of spam where the From Sender is
> the same as the To Sender. I believe SPF should prevent this spam from
> getting through.

google postfwd equal sender recipient, this can reject such crap mails=20=
=20
without spf, but if i dont know more about your domain no more help i=20=20
can give you

> My Setup: Exchange 2003 SP2 Sender ID Filtering enabled with public
> hosted DNS - easydns.com, also using Postini. I have created the
> following SPF record: v=3Dspf1 ip4:192.168.103.0/24 ip4:206.14.xxx.xxx
> ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx include:easydns.com ~all

bluehost custommer ?

why do you add rfc1918 address space to spf ?

> I edited the public IP of my Exchange server. The /20 block is for
> Postini. Can anyone see something I am doing wrong here?

more info needed


--=20
xpoint


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From: Benny Pedersen <me@junc.org>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:41:44 +0200

On Thu 20 Aug 2009 09:06:46 PM CEST, Ryan Sutton wrote
> Will SPF prevent the type of SPAM where the spammer has forged my
> domains email address?

yes

> This is confusing to me because SPF prevents sender forgery, but will
> it prevent someone sending email to my domain
> when they forge my domain address?

you seem unsure ? :)

> Maybe SPF is not the right solution to prevent this?

forge my email and reply with what you get :)

--=20
xpoint


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From: Mark Wolk <markwolk@gmail.com>
Subject: Please check my SPF record
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:55:46 +1200

Hello, Can someone be kind enough to double-check this SPF record? My domain
is a-la-carte-australia-tours.com <http://www.a-la-carte-europe-tours.com/>=
and
the SPF record is "v=3Dspf1 include:customer-spf.mxes.net
a:smtp.cotse.net-all" ; I send mail using exclusively either
tuffmail.com or cotse.net email services. Tuffmail's recommendation is to
use include:customer-spf.mxes.net ; so no problem there. All mail sent
through Cotse is via smtp.cotse.net . Test emails sent to GMail validate OK.
The tests on http://www.kitterman.com/spf/validate.html seem to agree with
my record as well. Is that all OK?

Thank you,

Mark Wolk

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Subject: RE: [spf-help] Please check my SPF record
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Mark Wolk wrote on Tue, Aug 25 2009 at 12:55 am:

> Hello, Can someone be kind enough to double-check this SPF record? My
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From: Mark Wolk <markwolk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Please check my SPF record
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:43:27 +1200

Thanks; yes, it does cover all the servers.

Mark Wolk

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> Mark Wolk wrote on Tue, Aug 25 2009 at 12:55 am:
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> > domain is a-la-carte-australia-tours.com
>
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From: "Chris" <Chris@040501.com>
Subject: Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:55:12 +0200

When people refer to SenderID, are they referring to SPF please ? I
thought they were two separate items ?

Chris


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From: Rob MacGregor <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:22:45 +0100

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 13:55, Chris<Chris@040501.com> wrote:
> When people refer to SenderID, are they referring to SPF please ?

No - and this is covered in the FAQ at the OpenSPF site ;)

> =3D3D3D3DC2=3D3D3D3DA0I
> thought they were two separate items ?

They are.

--=3D3D3D3D20
Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche

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From: Benny Pedersen <me@junc.org>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF =3D3D3D3D3D?UTF-8?Q?=3D3D3D3D3D3F?=
=3D3D3D=3D
3D3D
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:01:54 +0200

On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:22:45 +0100, Rob MacGregor <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
wrote:
> They are.

dig aol.com txt

http://old.openspf.org/wizard.html?mydomain=3D3D3D3D3Daol.com&submit=3D3D3D=
3D3D=3D
Go!

good example on how not to do spf :)

i wonder if postmaster@aol.com is awhere of there problem ?

--=3D3D3D3D20
Benny Pedersen

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From: "Chris" <Chris@040501.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:33:29 +0200

=3D3D3D3D20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Benny Pedersen [mailto:me@junc.org]=3D3D3D3D20
> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 8:02 PM
> To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
>=3D3D3D3D20
> On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:22:45 +0100, Rob MacGregor=3D3D3D3D20
> <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > They are.
>=3D3D3D3D20
> dig aol.com txt
>=3D3D3D3D20
> http://old.openspf.org/wizard.html?mydomain=3D3D3D3D3Daol.com&submit=3D3D=
3D3D=3D
3DGo!
>=3D3D3D3D20
> good example on how not to do spf :)
>=3D3D3D3D20
> i wonder if postmaster@aol.com is awhere of there problem ?
>=3D3D3D3D20
> --
> Benny Pedersen

Many thanks Benny.

Bit new to this, but I assume that aol have done something wrong there !

Chris.



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From: Rob MacGregor <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:21:10 +0100

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:33, Chris<Chris@040501.com> wrote:
>
> Bit new to this, but I assume that aol have done something wrong there !

The AOL.com record is:

v=3D3D3D3D3Dspf1 ptr:mx.aol.com ?all

that says:

ptr:mx.aol.com - the host that resolves from (and back to) mx.aol.com
?all - this SPF record is meaningless - accept all email

Worth reading http://www.openspf.org/SPF_Record_Syntax

--=3D3D3D3D20
Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche

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From: "Steve Yates" <steve@teamITS.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:17:10 -0500

Rob MacGregor wrote on Mon, Aug 10 2009 at 5:21 am:=3D3D3D3D0D
=3D3D3D3D0D
> ptr:mx.aol.com - the host that resolves from (and back to) mx.aol.com=3D3=
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D3=3D3D
D0D
=3D3D3D3D0D
Not quite...all IPs are looked up for their reverse DNS, and any hostnames=
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=3D3D3D
=3D3D3D3D
that end in *.mx.aol.com pass. However readers should note:=3D3D3D3D0D
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=3D3D
=3D3D3D
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rd, because it will result in a larger number of expensive DNS lookups."=3D=
3D=3D
3D=3D3D
3D=3D3D3D
0D
=3D3D3D3D0D
...and since AOL is using ?all, they are basically just causing a lot of DN=
=3D
=3D3D
=3D3D3D
=3D3D3D3D
S lookups for no apparent reason.=3D3D3D3D0D
=3D3D3D3D0D
=3D3D3D3D0D
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- ITS, Inc.=3D3D3D3D0D
- Automobile, n.: A four-wheeled vehicle that runs up hills and down pedes=
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From: Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:32:49 +0200

Steve Yates wrote:
> Rob MacGregor wrote on Mon, Aug 10 2009 at 5:21 am:
>=3D3D3D3D20
>> ptr:mx.aol.com - the host that resolves from (and back to) mx.aol.com
>=3D3D3D3D20
> Not quite...all IPs are looked up for their reverse DNS, and any hostnam=
=3D
=3D3D
=3D3D3D
=3D3D3D3D
es that end in *.mx.aol.com pass. However readers should note:
>=3D3D3D3D20
> "If at all possible, you should avoid using this mechanism in your SPF re=
=3D
=3D3D
=3D3D3D
=3D3D3D3D
cord, because it will result in a larger number of expensive DNS lookups."
>=3D3D3D3D20
> ...and since AOL is using ?all, they are basically just causing a lot of =
=3D
=3D3D
=3D3D3D
=3D3D3D3D
DNS lookups for no apparent reason.

That may boil down to two lookups, e.g. if IP=3D3D3D3D3D205.188.159.57 find=
=3D
=3D3D3D3=3D3D
D20
da.mx.aol.com by rDNS and then check that the latter has the same IP.=3D3D3=
D3=3D
D20
Considering that these lookups are most commonly performed anyway, it=3D3D3=
D3=3D
D20
may actually cost less than include or redirect.

The "pass" they may obtain that way only serves spam scores.


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From: "Chris" <Chris@040501.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:51:37 +0200

=3D3D3D20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob MacGregor [mailto:rob.macgregor@gmail.com]=3D3D3D20
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:23 PM
> To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> Subject: Re: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
>=3D3D3D20
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 13:55, Chris<Chris@040501.com> wrote:
> > When people refer to SenderID, are they referring to SPF please ?
>=3D3D3D20
> No - and this is covered in the FAQ at the OpenSPF site ;)
>=3D3D3D20
> > =3D3D3DA0I
> > thought they were two separate items ?
>=3D3D3D20
> They are.
>=3D3D3D20
> --=3D3D3D20
> Please keep list traffic on the list.
>=3D3D3D20
> Rob MacGregor
> Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
> doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche


Many thanks Rob, and the other members that helped on this. To *help*
ensure that all of my emails go to peoples inbox's, I am looking into the
3 methods of doing this - i.e., SPF, Sender ID and DomainKeys - are there
any others ? The info on the link below, seems to indicate that emails
can break with forwards, when using SPF, but not when using DomainKeys -
is that true ?

http://www.clickz.com/3485571

Chris



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From: "Steve Yates" <steve@teamITS.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Is SenderID SPF ?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:47:49 -0500

Chris wrote on Mon, Aug 17 2009 at 11:51 am:

> Many thanks Rob, and the other members that helped on this. To *help*
> ensure that all of my emails go to peoples inbox's, I am looking into
the
> 3 methods of doing this - i.e., SPF, Sender ID and DomainKeys - are
there
> any others ? The info on the link below, seems to indicate that
emails
> can break with forwards, when using SPF, but not when using DomainKeys
-
> is that true ?

First, all three don't "help" mail get delivered, they help
prevent others from using your domain to spam people. A subtle
difference.

The interaction between SPF and forwarding depends on whether
the mail is forwarded or re-sent. See:
http://www.openspf.org/FAQ/Forwarding.

My experience is that small but growing number of ISPs are refusing to
set up auto-forwards for e-mail, due not only to SPF but the probability
of forwarding spam (resulting in the ISP's server being blacklisted).

Not noted on the page you linked to (from 2005) is that DKIM and
DomainKeys are not the same thing, but that's a question for a different
list.

-----
SPF FAQ: http://www.openspf.org/FAQ
Common mistakes: http://www.openspf.org/FAQ/Common_mistakes

- Steve Yates
- ITS, Inc.
- Proven P.R. method: Throw dart, then draw the bullseye.

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From: jlconotte@cirb.irisnet.be
Subject: On vacation message
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:18:58 +0200

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not be able to reply to your message.Please contact .......... (e-mail
adress) who will forward your request to the appropriate person.

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From: "Ryan Sutton" <RSutton@filicebrown.com>
Subject: Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:51:56 -0700

Hello,
=3D20
Looking for help with SPF, I think I have set it up incorrectly.=3D20
=3D20
Situation: I'm getting a heavy volume of spam where the From Sender is
the same as the To Sender. I believe SPF should prevent this spam from
getting through.
=3D20
My Setup: Exchange 2003 SP2 Sender ID Filtering enabled with public
hosted DNS - easydns.com, also using Postini. I have created the
following SPF record: v=3D3Dspf1 ip4:192.168.103.0/24 ip4:206.14.xxx.xxx
ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx include:easydns.com ~all
=3D20
I edited the public IP of my Exchange server. The /20 block is for
Postini. Can anyone see something I am doing wrong here?=3D20
=3D20
Thanks,
Ryan

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From: Rob MacGregor <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:18:58 +0100

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 17:51, Ryan Sutton<RSutton@filicebrown.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Looking for help with SPF, I think I have set it up incorrectly.
>
> Situation: I'm getting a heavy volume of spam where the From Sender is
> the same as the To Sender. I believe SPF should prevent this spam from
> getting through.
>
> My Setup: Exchange 2003 SP2 Sender ID Filtering enabled with public
> hosted DNS - easydns.com, also using Postini. I have created the
> following SPF record: v=3D3Dspf1 ip4:192.168.103.0/24 ip4:206.14.xxx.xxx
> ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx include:easydns.com ~all
>
> I edited the public IP of my Exchange server. The /20 block is for
> Postini. Can anyone see something I am doing wrong here?

As covered in the FAQ - SenderID is NOT SPF.

Note that by using ~all you've said (as mentioned at
http://www.openspf.org/SPF_Record_Syntax) to accept, but mark
(SoftFail). If you want mail failing the SPF check to be rejected you
need to:

a) Use "-all"
b) Check SPF records at your MX hosts, configured to reject mail that Fails

To comment on your SPF record we HAVE to know the real domain in
question, it's impossible to help based on false information. Note
that the SPF record should never use RFC1918 addresses, as your
altered record appears to.

Finally, do you send email through Postini, directly to your Exchange
server, or via EasyDNS?

--=3D20
Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche

----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Ryan Sutton" <RSutton@filicebrown.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:30:40 -0700

Hi Rob,

Thanks for the reply. I will remove the private range from the SPF
record. Here is the full unedited SPF record:

v=3D3Dspf1 ip4:192.168.103.0/24 ip4:206.14.210.88 ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx
include:easydns.com ~all

The domain is h5marketing.com.

Inbound email goes through Postini directly to the Exchange server.
Before using Postini I used easydns, so I can remove that portion know I
supose.

So for the new SPF record it seems like this would work for me:
v=3D3Dspf1 ip4:206.14.210.88 ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx -all

Do you agree?

Thanks,
Ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob MacGregor [mailto:rob.macgregor@gmail.com]=3D20
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:19 AM
To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 17:51, Ryan Sutton<RSutton@filicebrown.com>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Looking for help with SPF, I think I have set it up incorrectly.
>
> Situation: I'm getting a heavy volume of spam where the From Sender is

> the same as the To Sender. I believe SPF should prevent this spam from

> getting through.
>
> My Setup: Exchange 2003 SP2 Sender ID Filtering enabled with public=3D20
> hosted DNS - easydns.com, also using Postini. I have created the=3D20
> following SPF record: v=3D3Dspf1 ip4:192.168.103.0/24 ip4:206.14.xxx.xxx=
=3D20
> ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx include:easydns.com ~all
>
> I edited the public IP of my Exchange server. The /20 block is for=3D20
> Postini. Can anyone see something I am doing wrong here?

As covered in the FAQ - SenderID is NOT SPF.

Note that by using ~all you've said (as mentioned at
http://www.openspf.org/SPF_Record_Syntax) to accept, but mark
(SoftFail). If you want mail failing the SPF check to be rejected you
need to:

a) Use "-all"
b) Check SPF records at your MX hosts, configured to reject mail that
Fails

To comment on your SPF record we HAVE to know the real domain in
question, it's impossible to help based on false information. Note that
the SPF record should never use RFC1918 addresses, as your altered
record appears to.

Finally, do you send email through Postini, directly to your Exchange
server, or via EasyDNS?

--=3D20
Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche


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From: Rob MacGregor <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:56:13 +0100

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 19:30, Ryan Sutton<RSutton@filicebrown.com> wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> Thanks for the reply. I will remove the private range from the SPF
> record. Here is the full unedited SPF record:
>
> v=3D3Dspf1 ip4:192.168.103.0/24 ip4:206.14.210.88 ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx
> include:easydns.com ~all
>
> The domain is h5marketing.com.
>
> Inbound email goes through Postini directly to the Exchange server.
> Before using Postini I used easydns, so I can remove that portion know I
> supose.

SPF is about how you SEND email, not about how you receive it. Your
SPF record should list the IP addresses/ranges from which the domain
SENDS email.

--=3D20
Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche

----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Steve Yates" <steve@teamITS.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:02:27 -0500

Ryan Sutton wrote on Thu, Aug 20 2009 at 11:51 am:

> Situation: I'm getting a heavy volume of spam where the From Sender is
> the same as the To Sender. I believe SPF should prevent this spam from
> getting through.
> My Setup: Exchange 2003 SP2 Sender ID Filtering enabled

If you are receiving the spam, your mail server needs to check
for SPF on the incoming messages. Your SPF record is not relevant,
unless they are using your domain.

Note Sender ID is not SPF, see the FAQ.
=3D20
> hosted DNS - easydns.com, also using Postini. I have created the
> following SPF record: v=3D3Dspf1 ip4:192.168.103.0/24 ip4:206.14.xxx.xxx
> ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx include:easydns.com ~all

"ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx" needs a space before the MX (if you
published it that way, the entire record is invalid). So you send mail
out using easydns.com mail servers (as well as Postini's)? They use a
lot of servers:

easydns.com. 3600 IN TXT "v=3D3Dspf1 mx ptr
ip4:205.210.42.0/24 ip4:216.220.40.240/29 ip4:66.207.199.35/32
ip4:64.68.200.0/24 include:myprivacy.ca ptr:opensrs.net
ptr:registrarmail.net ptr:internetsecure.com ~all"



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- ITS, Inc.
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From: "Ryan Sutton" <RSutton@filicebrown.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:06:46 -0700

Will SPF prevent the type of SPAM where the spammer has forged my
domains email address? This is confusing to me because SPF prevents
sender forgery, but will it prevent someone sending email to my domain
when they forge my domain address? Maybe SPF is not the right solution
to prevent this?

Thanks,
Ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob MacGregor [mailto:rob.macgregor@gmail.com]=3D20
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:56 AM
To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 19:30, Ryan Sutton<RSutton@filicebrown.com>
wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> Thanks for the reply. I will remove the private range from the SPF=3D20
> record. Here is the full unedited SPF record:
>
> v=3D3Dspf1 ip4:192.168.103.0/24 ip4:206.14.210.88 ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx=3D20
> include:easydns.com ~all
>
> The domain is h5marketing.com.
>
> Inbound email goes through Postini directly to the Exchange server.
> Before using Postini I used easydns, so I can remove that portion know

> I supose.

SPF is about how you SEND email, not about how you receive it. Your SPF
record should list the IP addresses/ranges from which the domain SENDS
email.

--=3D20
Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche


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From: "Ryan Sutton" <RSutton@filicebrown.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:10:48 -0700

Steve,

Yes I am receiving spam on incoming mail and yes they are forging my
domain. I am no longer using easydns for outbound mail, just Postini. I
have Postini's large /20 block included in the SPF record.

Thanks,
Ryan=3D20

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Yates [mailto:steve@teamITS.com]=3D20
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:02 PM
To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working

Ryan Sutton wrote on Thu, Aug 20 2009 at 11:51 am:

> Situation: I'm getting a heavy volume of spam where the From Sender is

> the same as the To Sender. I believe SPF should prevent this spam from

> getting through.
> My Setup: Exchange 2003 SP2 Sender ID Filtering enabled

If you are receiving the spam, your mail server needs to check
for SPF on the incoming messages. Your SPF record is not relevant,
unless they are using your domain.

Note Sender ID is not SPF, see the FAQ.
=3D20
> hosted DNS - easydns.com, also using Postini. I have created the=3D20
> following SPF record: v=3D3Dspf1 ip4:192.168.103.0/24 ip4:206.14.xxx.xxx=
=3D20
> ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx include:easydns.com ~all

"ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx" needs a space before the MX (if you
published it that way, the entire record is invalid). So you send mail
out using easydns.com mail servers (as well as Postini's)? They use a
lot of servers:

easydns.com. 3600 IN TXT "v=3D3Dspf1 mx ptr
ip4:205.210.42.0/24 ip4:216.220.40.240/29 ip4:66.207.199.35/32
ip4:64.68.200.0/24 include:myprivacy.ca ptr:opensrs.net
ptr:registrarmail.net ptr:internetsecure.com ~all"



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- ITS, Inc.
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From: Rob MacGregor <rob.macgregor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:11:19 +0100

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 20:06, Ryan Sutton<RSutton@filicebrown.com> wrote:
> Will SPF prevent the type of SPAM where the spammer has forged my
> domains email address? This is confusing to me because SPF prevents
> sender forgery, but will it prevent someone sending email to my domain
> when they forge my domain address? Maybe SPF is not the right solution
> to prevent this?

It will, when your SPF record says to reject FAILing checks (-all) AND
they check SPF records and honour your record's request.

--=3D20
Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche

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From: "Steve Yates" <steve@teamITS.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:22:17 -0500

Ryan Sutton wrote on Thu, Aug 20 2009 at 2:10 pm:

> Yes I am receiving spam on incoming mail and yes they are forging my
> domain. I am no longer using easydns for outbound mail, just Postini.
I
> have Postini's large /20 block included in the SPF record.

Then you should remove the "include:easydns.net" from your SPF
record. You only want to list your outgoing mail servers. And when
your are happy with your SPF record
(http://www.kitterman.com/spf/validate.html) then change ~all to -all.

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From: Benny Pedersen <me@junc.org>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:16:26 +0200

On Thu 20 Aug 2009 06:51:56 PM CEST, Ryan Sutton wrote
> Looking for help with SPF, I think I have set it up incorrectly.

http://old.openspf.org/wizard.html?mydomain=3D3Dfilicebrown.com&submit=3D3D=
Go!

> Situation: I'm getting a heavy volume of spam where the From Sender is
> the same as the To Sender. I believe SPF should prevent this spam from
> getting through.

google postfwd equal sender recipient, this can reject such crap mails=3D20=
=3D
=3D20
without spf, but if i dont know more about your domain no more help i=3D20=
=3D20
can give you

> My Setup: Exchange 2003 SP2 Sender ID Filtering enabled with public
> hosted DNS - easydns.com, also using Postini. I have created the
> following SPF record: v=3D3Dspf1 ip4:192.168.103.0/24 ip4:206.14.xxx.xxx
> ip4:64.18.0.0/20mx include:easydns.com ~all

bluehost custommer ?

why do you add rfc1918 address space to spf ?

> I edited the public IP of my Exchange server. The /20 block is for
> Postini. Can anyone see something I am doing wrong here?

more info needed


--=3D20
xpoint


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From: Benny Pedersen <me@junc.org>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Just set up SPF, does not seem to be working
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:41:44 +0200

On Thu 20 Aug 2009 09:06:46 PM CEST, Ryan Sutton wrote
> Will SPF prevent the type of SPAM where the spammer has forged my
> domains email address?

yes

> This is confusing to me because SPF prevents sender forgery, but will
> it prevent someone sending email to my domain
> when they forge my domain address?

you seem unsure ? :)

> Maybe SPF is not the right solution to prevent this?

forge my email and reply with what you get :)

--=3D20
xpoint


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From: Mark Wolk <markwolk@gmail.com>
Subject: Please check my SPF record
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:55:46 +1200

Hello, Can someone be kind enough to double-check this SPF record? My domain
is a-la-carte-australia-tours.com <http://www.a-la-carte-europe-tours.com/>=
=3D
and
the SPF record is "v=3D3Dspf1 include:customer-spf.mxes.net
a:smtp.cotse.net-all" ; I send mail using exclusively either
tuffmail.com or cotse.net email services. Tuffmail's recommendation is to
use include:customer-spf.mxes.net ; so no problem there. All mail sent
through Cotse is via smtp.cotse.net . Test emails sent to GMail validate OK.
The tests on http://www.kitterman.com/spf/validate.html seem to agree with
my record as well. Is that all OK?

Thank you,

Mark Wolk

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To better serve our customers Comtrol has also established and
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:48:00 -0500

NOTICE:

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=3D20

To submit a support request online, please visit
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After creating an online identity you will be able to open a case,
receive responses either online and/or by email, monitor open and closed
cases, and add additional information. We are pleased to offer this
powerful replacement to standard email support.

=3D20

To better serve our customers Comtrol has also established and
encourages you to visit our Technical Support Forum
[http://forum.comtrol.com/] where you will find an extensive searchable
FAQ section that answers many product related questions. We invite you
to join our forum community and post your questions.

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From: "Steve Yates" <steve@teamITS.com>
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Please check my SPF record
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:30:17 -0500

Mark Wolk wrote on Tue, Aug 25 2009 at 12:55 am:

> Hello, Can someone be kind enough to double-check this SPF record? My
> domain is a-la-carte-australia-tours.com

If it validates, that is about all we can verify. You have to
determine if it covers all the servers sending outgoing mail for your
domain.

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From: "Support" <support@comtrol.com>
Subject: Comtrol Support Autoreply
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:38:51 -0500

NOTICE:

Comtrol no longer monitors support@comtrol.com email.

=3D20

To submit a support request online, please visit
http://support.comtrol.com/online.

After creating an online identity you will be able to open a case,
receive responses either online and/or by email, monitor open and closed
cases, and add additional information. We are pleased to offer this
powerful replacement to standard email support.

=3D20

To better serve our customers Comtrol has also established and
encourages you to visit our Technical Support Forum
[http://forum.comtrol.com/] where you will find an extensive searchable
FAQ section that answers many product related questions. We invite you
to join our forum community and post your questions.

=3D20

You may also call during normal business hours (M-F, 8am-6pm USA
Central) at 763-494-4100 for assistance.=3D20

=3D20

=3D20

Thank you,=3D20

Comtrol Technical Support


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From: Mark Wolk <markwolk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Please check my SPF record
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:43:27 +1200

Thanks; yes, it does cover all the servers.

Mark Wolk

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Steve Yates <steve@teamits.com> wrote:

> Mark Wolk wrote on Tue, Aug 25 2009 at 12:55 am:
>
> > Hello, Can someone be kind enough to double-check this SPF record? My
> > domain is a-la-carte-australia-tours.com
>
> If it validates, that is about all we can verify. You have to
> determine if it covers all the servers sending outgoing mail for your
> domain.
>
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From: "Support" <support@comtrol.com>
Subject: Comtrol Support Autoreply
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:45:37 -0500

NOTICE:

Comtrol no longer monitors support@comtrol.com email.

=3D20

To submit a support request online, please visit
http://support.comtrol.com/online.

After creating an online identity you will be able to open a case,
receive responses either online and/or by email, monitor open and closed
cases, and add additional information. We are pleased to offer this
powerful replacement to standard email support.

=3D20

To better serve our customers Comtrol has also established and
encourages you to visit our Technical Support Forum
[http://forum.comtrol.com/] where you will find an extensive searchable
FAQ section that answers many product related questions. We invite you
to join our forum community and post your questions.

=3D20

You may also call during normal business hours (M-F, 8am-6pm USA
Central) at 763-494-4100 for assistance.=3D20

=3D20

=3D20

Thank you,=3D20

Comtrol Technical Support


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From: "Support" <support@comtrol.com>
Subject: Comtrol Support Autoreply
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:49:22 -0500

NOTICE:

Comtrol no longer monitors support@comtrol.com email.

=20

To submit a support request online, please visit
http://support.comtrol.com/online.

After creating an online identity you will be able to open a case,
receive responses either online and/or by email, monitor open and closed
cases, and add additional information. We are pleased to offer this
powerful replacement to standard email support.

=20

To better serve our customers Comtrol has also established and
encourages you to visit our Technical Support Forum
[http://forum.comtrol.com/] where you will find an extensive searchable
FAQ section that answers many product related questions. We invite you
to join our forum community and post your questions.

=20

You may also call during normal business hours (M-F, 8am-6pm USA
Central) at 763-494-4100 for assistance.=20

=20

=20

Thank you,=20

Comtrol Technical Support


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