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On 7/13/22 12:19 PM, @lbutlr wrote:
> So, a supposed bounce from also three years ago. And that bounce
> did not come from my mail server as I have never run qmail. No IP
> addresses, no Received headers, nothing that could possibly be used
> to figure out what is going on here.

I think this is a courtesy message from the mailing list saying that a
message that it tried to send to you was bounced.

It provides a copy of (part of) the message for your convenience.

Nothing about that implies that you sent the message that bounced.
Instead it is extremely likely that you did not originate the message
that bounced.



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On 14/07/2022 04:24, Grant Taylor via users wrote:

> On 7/13/22 12:19 PM, @lbutlr wrote:
>
>> So, a supposed bounce from also three years ago. And that bounce did
>> not come from my mail server as I have never run qmail. No IP
>> addresses, no Received headers, nothing that could possibly be used to
>> figure out what is going on here.
>
> I think this is a courtesy message from the mailing list saying that a
> message that it tried to send to you was bounced.
>
> It provides a copy of (part of) the message for your convenience.
>
> Nothing about that implies that you sent the message that bounced.
> Instead it is extremely likely that you did not originate the message
> that bounced.

ezmlm has been long brain dead, I particularly like its messages saying
its reject message but never tells you the actual 5xx code.

I aint about to go through 2019's logs to find out why either :)

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Noel Butler skrev den 2022-07-14 00:38:

> ezmlm has been long brain dead, I particularly like its messages
> saying its reject message but never tells you the actual 5xx code.
>
> I aint about to go through 2019's logs to find out why either :)

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please stop doing this shit to maillists

On 14/07/2022 17:27, Benny Pedersen wrote:

> Noel Butler skrev den 2022-07-14 00:38:
>
>> ezmlm has been long brain dead, I particularly like its messages
>> saying its reject message but never tells you the actual 5xx code.
>>
>> I aint about to go through 2019's logs to find out why either :)
>
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
>
> please stop doing this shit to maillists

f@ck off

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Don't know why this didn't go through.

On 2022 Jul 13, at 12:24, Grant Taylor via users <users@spamassassin.apache.org> wrote:
> On 7/13/22 12:19 PM, @lbutlr wrote:
>> So, a supposed bounce from also three years ago. And that bounce did not come from my mail server as I have never run qmail. No IP addresses, no Received headers, nothing that could possibly be used to figure out what is going on here.
>
> I think this is a courtesy message from the mailing list saying that a message that it tried to send to you was bounced.

That is what it is SUPPOSED to be. What it actually is is something else.

> It provides a copy of (part of) the message for your convenience.

Which is
1) three years old
2) could not possibly have come from my mail server.

> Nothing about that implies that you sent the message that bounced.

No, and I never said that.


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On 7/18/22 4:23 PM, @lbutlr wrote:
> Don't know why this didn't go through.

chuckle

The copy with your comment /did/. But I suppose the message that
prompted you to make the comment didn't.

> That is what it is SUPPOSED to be. What it actually is is something else.

Every version of what you describe that I've looked at has been the
courtesy message.

> Which is
> 1) three years old

Things happen. Messages get stuck in queues. Old queues get restored
from backups. Old systems are brought online prior to a wipe /
recommission. $THINGS

> 2) could not possibly have come from my mail server.

I would expect that a message that someone else sent to the mailing list
which failed to send to you would not come from your server.

> No, and I never said that.

My interpretation of your comment about not coming from your mail server
suggested otherwise.



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On 19/07/2022 09:12, Grant Taylor via users wrote:

> Every version of what you describe that I've looked at has been the
> courtesy message.

Which is a joke, because it does not, and qmails ezmlm has never
included enough of the headers telling us _why_ we rejected it.

But seriously folks, why the noise, its 3 years old (well mine was), get
over it :)

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On 7/18/22 5:30 PM, Noel Butler wrote:
> Which is a joke, because it does not, and qmails ezmlm has never
> included enough of the headers telling us _why_ we rejected it.

Your opinion of the notification doesn't change the intention behind the
notification.

Most of the notifications that I see also include a message number which
can be used to find the message in the archives.

At the very least they let you know that a message was rejected.

I can then go look at my MTAs logs and deduce why message(s) were
rejected with more authority than anything the MLM could tell me.

> But seriously folks, why the noise, its 3 years old (well mine was), get
> over it :)

The age of what prompted the discussion doesn't negate the discussion.



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On 19/07/2022 09:49, Grant Taylor via users wrote:

> At the very least they let you know that a message was rejected.

> I can then go look at my MTAs logs and deduce why message(s) were
> rejected with more authority than anything the MLM could tell me.

Is that what you tell your customers? I'm damn sure it's not.

> But seriously folks, why the noise, its 3 years old (well mine was),
> get over it :)
> The age of what prompted the discussion doesn't negate the discussion.

The discussion is OT, you've been around long enough, so has the other
guy, to know how to query issues about the mlm, and none of it is
bringing noise onto the list, which I too am now guilty of and shall be
my last.

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