>> That is why it is important to read and use the brain, otherwise you
>> wander of the subject.
>waht do *you* know about brain when you don't realize that it's simply
>not doable to fight against spam by fight against large providers as
>outlook.com?
Because I understand eg there is a difference between theoretical,
practical and maybe even legal point of view.
>overall there amount of bad clients is *low* compared to the total
>number of clients
How is that % relevant. I only care that I receive spam, and I have
to put effort/work/time into resolving it.
>if all the customers of outlook.com would be served by clueless idiots
>like yours which means spread over thousands of clueless providers the
>outcome would be much worse
I am not so sure about this. Email services are more easier to set up,
thus come quite equal to bigger providers.
Smaller providers have better/more contact with their clients. Can
instruct eg clients not to use the network for newsletters.
Smaller provider have more system administrators per 1000 clients than
bigger companies, thus more hours to spend on support/abuse etc.
Smaller providers are easier to blanket block, so they are forced to
maintain higher quality of service.
Failing to see this, has the same origin as you fail to detect
intelligence.
> you can block what you want on yur home-pet-server but you really
don't
> understand how legit business works
You do not get the bigger picture, you basically are doing the work the
bigger providers should do or pay you to do. In this regards, the
Net neutrality discussion is very similar.
>proven by your bullshit of "are you guys paid by them" while the truth
>is that my and other customers of whatever mailservice want their
>fucking *legit mail* received and not trhown out with the bathwater
The use of dnsbl to reject mail is ages old. I did not invent this. The
process
is very simple. You receive spam from an ip, you eventually block the ip
from delivering mail.
How can it be your fault, if that provider is trying to send legitimate
mail via
that blocked ip? It is this providers fault. They have countless options
to
mitigate this situation, but they are just to lazy to do this. One for
instance
would be to put free new accounts on a different outgoing ip range than
long time high paying customers. Seperate newsletters from regular
outgoing mail, etc.
> not everybody who is in the business for decades is a supporter of big
> ISP's, the opposite is true, otherwise we just would use them at our
own
If you are long in business, you have experience, and one is likely to
have such a point of view.
> the point is: everybody but you has to deal with the real world
> if it's just me microsoft, amazon and guess what can die tomorrow and
i
> couldn't care less, but as long as they exist and as long they are
used
>by millions of legit customers it is what it is
Indeed and that is why this is a problem.
>> wander of the subject.
>waht do *you* know about brain when you don't realize that it's simply
>not doable to fight against spam by fight against large providers as
>outlook.com?
Because I understand eg there is a difference between theoretical,
practical and maybe even legal point of view.
>overall there amount of bad clients is *low* compared to the total
>number of clients
How is that % relevant. I only care that I receive spam, and I have
to put effort/work/time into resolving it.
>if all the customers of outlook.com would be served by clueless idiots
>like yours which means spread over thousands of clueless providers the
>outcome would be much worse
I am not so sure about this. Email services are more easier to set up,
thus come quite equal to bigger providers.
Smaller providers have better/more contact with their clients. Can
instruct eg clients not to use the network for newsletters.
Smaller provider have more system administrators per 1000 clients than
bigger companies, thus more hours to spend on support/abuse etc.
Smaller providers are easier to blanket block, so they are forced to
maintain higher quality of service.
Failing to see this, has the same origin as you fail to detect
intelligence.
> you can block what you want on yur home-pet-server but you really
don't
> understand how legit business works
You do not get the bigger picture, you basically are doing the work the
bigger providers should do or pay you to do. In this regards, the
Net neutrality discussion is very similar.
>proven by your bullshit of "are you guys paid by them" while the truth
>is that my and other customers of whatever mailservice want their
>fucking *legit mail* received and not trhown out with the bathwater
The use of dnsbl to reject mail is ages old. I did not invent this. The
process
is very simple. You receive spam from an ip, you eventually block the ip
from delivering mail.
How can it be your fault, if that provider is trying to send legitimate
mail via
that blocked ip? It is this providers fault. They have countless options
to
mitigate this situation, but they are just to lazy to do this. One for
instance
would be to put free new accounts on a different outgoing ip range than
long time high paying customers. Seperate newsletters from regular
outgoing mail, etc.
> not everybody who is in the business for decades is a supporter of big
> ISP's, the opposite is true, otherwise we just would use them at our
own
If you are long in business, you have experience, and one is likely to
have such a point of view.
> the point is: everybody but you has to deal with the real world
> if it's just me microsoft, amazon and guess what can die tomorrow and
i
> couldn't care less, but as long as they exist and as long they are
used
>by millions of legit customers it is what it is
Indeed and that is why this is a problem.