Mailing List Archive

@lbutlr wrote:
> I get occasional mails like this:
>
>> On 24 Apr 2020, at 18:33, users-help@spamassassin.apache.org wrote:
>>
>> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
>> users@spamassassin.apache.org mailing list.
>
> Etc.

What you do depends on the "Etc." bit.

IIRC this is usually something along the lines of "Messages to you seem
to have been bouncing. If <n> bounces are received over <m> timeframe,
your subscription may be paused. If <n+p> bounces are received, you may
be automatically unsubscribed.". (It's been a while since I've seen one
live.)

There may be other reasons for the list manager to send you a note like
this, but only the Apache infra team or you can tell us what's in these.

> ...supposed to doppelgänger’s about these bounces.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Autocorrect seems to have been having a particularly special day for
you. <g>


> (I haven’t in this case, but in previous cases who I have requested the missing post, I get duplicates).
>
> The 10 day delay is great, as it makes searching the logs much more difficult.

Most systems I work with keep logs for at least a couple of months.
[z]grep |grep |grep |grep seems to work fine for me...

-kgd

> On 28 Apr 2020, at 12:06, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Am 28.04.20 um 20:01 schrieb @lbutlr:
>> On 28 Apr 2020, at 02:58, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net> wrote:
>>> Am 28.04.20 um 10:38 schrieb @lbutlr:
>>>> I get occasional mails like this:
>>>>
>>>>> On 24 Apr 2020, at 18:33, users-help@spamassassin.apache.org wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
>>>>> users@spamassassin.apache.org mailing list.
>>>>
>>>> Etc.
>>>
>>> cool that you strp the relevant content with
>>
>> The only thing I stripped was the remaining boilerplate of the bounce. Nothing relevant at all, but here it is.
>>
>>>>> Messages to you from the users mailing list seem to
>>>>> have been bouncing. I've attached a copy of the first bounce
>>>>> message I received.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this message bounces too, I will send you a probe. If the probe bounces,
>>>>> I will remove your address from the users mailing list,
>>>>> without further notice.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've kept a list of which messages from the users mailing list have
>>>>> bounced from your address.
>>>>>
>>>>> Copies of these messages may be in the archive.
>>>>> To retrieve a set of messages 123-145 (a maximum of 100 per request),
>>>>> send a short message to:
>>>>> <users-get.123_145@spamassassin.apache.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> To receive a subject and author list for the last 100 or so messages,
>>>>> send a short message to:
>>>>> <users-index@spamassassin.apache.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are the message numbers:
>>>>>
>>>>> 121942
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Enclosed is a copy of the bounce message I received.
>>
>>>>> Return-Path: <>
>>>>> Received: (qmail 34298 invoked for bounce); 14 Apr 2020 19:22:46 -0000
>>>>> Date: 14 Apr 2020 19:22:46 -0000
>>>>> From: MAILER-DAEMON@apache.org
>>>>> To: users-return-121942-@spamassassin.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: failure notice
>>>>
>>>> So, this is weird because I do not use qmail and when I check my mail logs for 14 Apr 13:22:46 (I am -0600) there is nothing there at all.
>>>>
>>>> So I assume the bounce is being caused by apache.org and not my server
>>>
>>> what else when it's coming from users-help@spamassassin.apache.org?
>>>
>>> messages of yiu where rejected, most likely because quting high score
>>> spam, it's that easy
>>
>>
>> That is exactly the opposite of what the message claims as it says message TO me are bouncing and I can retrieve the bounced ones. I take it you’ve never gotten one of these?
>
> i have and i can read and understand
>
> what it says is that *your server rejected* list messages for whatever
> reason

And my server did not. That is the issue.

> and yes, "bounce" is a wrong wording
>
>> So message TO me are bouncing without involving my mail server
>
> no, *your* server rejects list messages, most likely ones with quoted or
> attached spam stuff

There is no such rejection in my logs. That is the entire point of my original post:

> when I check my mail logs for 14 Apr 13:22:46 (I am -0600) there is nothing there at all.

And later:

> In fact, there is no “apache.org” at all in the mail logs between 09:56 and 22:12 for the date in question. Nor for 207.244.88.153 (the IP for Hermes, which actually sends the mail).




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