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Messages appears with delayed in /var/log/messages
I'm using `rsyslog` to collect logs from multiple servers which are all being
sent to a single server.
I've noticed that logs sometime appears with delay of 2-5 minutes in
`/var/log/messages` of the destination server.

By using `tcpdump` on both source and destination servers, i saw that the
messages are being sent from the source server and being received in
destination server almost immediately. However, The messages appears with
delay in `/var/log/messages` of the destination server, and not at the same
moment as they received in the server according to `tcpdump`.

What could be the issue? Please advise.

Attached is my rsyslog.conf file. rsyslog.rsyslog
<http://rsyslog-users.1305293.n2.nabble.com/file/t396283/rsyslog.rsyslog>





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Re: Messages appears with delayed in /var/log/messages [ In reply to ]
Hello,

Check which process listens to /dev/log at the destination server. It might
be journald and not rsyslogd.

Config file you shared does not have SystemLogSocketName. Probably it is
somewhere in /etc/rsyslog.d/
This sets the name of the socket rsyslogd is listening to.

Delay 2-5 minutes can be caused by journald.

Den tis 15 dec. 2020 kl 16:09 skrev supertwisters via rsyslog <
rsyslog@lists.adiscon.com>:

> I'm using `rsyslog` to collect logs from multiple servers which are all
> being
> sent to a single server.
> I've noticed that logs sometime appears with delay of 2-5 minutes in
> `/var/log/messages` of the destination server.
>
> By using `tcpdump` on both source and destination servers, i saw that the
> messages are being sent from the source server and being received in
> destination server almost immediately. However, The messages appears with
> delay in `/var/log/messages` of the destination server, and not at the same
> moment as they received in the server according to `tcpdump`.
>
> What could be the issue? Please advise.
>
> Attached is my rsyslog.conf file. rsyslog.rsyslog
> <http://rsyslog-users.1305293.n2.nabble.com/file/t396283/rsyslog.rsyslog>
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Re: Messages appears with delayed in /var/log/messages [ In reply to ]
Hi.
Thanks for the answer. Here is the current status in my server. What should
i do now? I'm pretty new to rsyslog, So i'm not sure what should i do now.

netstat -a | grep /dev/log
unix 26 [ ] DGRAM 8143 /dev/log

cat /etc/rsyslog.d/listen.conf
$SystemLogSocketName /run/systemd/journal/syslog





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Re: Messages appears with delayed in /var/log/messages [ In reply to ]
I tried to config "$SystemLogSocketName /dev/log" in the file
"/etc/rsyslog.d/listen.conf" and restarted the rsyslog service. Nothing has
changed.

Is that what i had to do? Nothing has changed.





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Re: Messages appears with delayed in /var/log/messages [ In reply to ]
unfortunantly, under systemd, rsyslog cannot take over /dev/log, journald takes
that.

did you post your config (if so, I missed it), are you using imjournal to read
the messages from journald

the other question is what are you doing to check if the message is in
/var/log/messages? if you have a very low traffic volume, it's possible that
some messages can be in transit (rsyslog has issued the write, but the OS has
not yet processed it to get the logs in the file so other processes can see
them).

to see if this is your problem, send rsyslog a HUP and see if that gets the
messages flushed to where you can see them

what version of rsyslog are you using?

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Re: Messages appears with delayed in /var/log/messages [ In reply to ]
Hello,

I suggest to start from eliminating journald from the equation.

In your case it means:
- Make sure that you are sending logs from your nodes to the rsyslog server
through udp or tcp (check documentation for imtcp and imudp)
- Make sure that rsyslog writes them to the file you configured in its
config (say, not /var/log/messages but some other less common name
configured by you in rsyslog configuration)

Then you will be able to validate that the problem you observe is not
relevant to journald.

Den tis 15 dec. 2020 kl 20:44 skrev supertwisters via rsyslog <
rsyslog@lists.adiscon.com>:
>
> Hi.
> Thanks for the answer. Here is the current status in my server. What
should
> i do now? I'm pretty new to rsyslog, So i'm not sure what should i do now.
>
> netstat -a | grep /dev/log
> unix 26 [ ] DGRAM 8143 /dev/log
>
> cat /etc/rsyslog.d/listen.conf
> $SystemLogSocketName /run/systemd/journal/syslog

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Re: Messages appears with delayed in /var/log/messages [ In reply to ]
You can see my config file in the first message (I wrote "Attached is my
rsyslog.conf file", But it's actually a link a line below). I'm using
rsyslog 8.24.0.

In order to check the message in /var/log/messages i send the following line
from some server:
logger -p local0.info "Test message"

And meanwhile in the destination file i check the file with:
tail -f /var/log/messages

I see the message only after a few minutes.



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Re: Messages appears with delayed in /var/log/messages [ In reply to ]
8.24 is very old (4-5 years old at this point). If you are using the RedHat
provided binaries, they have some backports to them, but not nearly everything.
So for a problem like this, you need to either contact RedHat or upgrade to the
current version (8.2010 or 8.2012) so that you are using something that the
community can support.

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Re: Messages appears with delayed in /var/log/messages [ In reply to ]
Hello!

As I understand, the topic starter was talking about messages from the
network (I guess received on port 514/udp). There is no journald involved
in this case.

On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 at 00:45, Vitaly Repin via rsyslog <
rsyslog@lists.adiscon.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Check which process listens to /dev/log at the destination server. It might
> be journald and not rsyslogd.
>
> Config file you shared does not have SystemLogSocketName. Probably it is
> somewhere in /etc/rsyslog.d/
> This sets the name of the socket rsyslogd is listening to.
>
> Delay 2-5 minutes can be caused by journald.
>
> Den tis 15 dec. 2020 kl 16:09 skrev supertwisters via rsyslog <
> rsyslog@lists.adiscon.com>:
>
> > I'm using `rsyslog` to collect logs from multiple servers which are all
> > being
> > sent to a single server.
> > I've noticed that logs sometime appears with delay of 2-5 minutes in
> > `/var/log/messages` of the destination server.
> >
> > By using `tcpdump` on both source and destination servers, i saw that the
> > messages are being sent from the source server and being received in
> > destination server almost immediately. However, The messages appears with
> > delay in `/var/log/messages` of the destination server, and not at the
> same
> > moment as they received in the server according to `tcpdump`.
> >
> > What could be the issue? Please advise.
> >
> > Attached is my rsyslog.conf file. rsyslog.rsyslog
> > <http://rsyslog-users.1305293.n2.nabble.com/file/t396283/rsyslog.rsyslog
> >
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Re: Messages appears with delayed in /var/log/messages [ In reply to ]
Hello,

Yes. But 5 minutes delay is hard to explain if journald is not involved.

That's why I suggested to double check that messages are really coming from
the network to rsyslogd and thereafter written to the disk by rsyslogd.

Den ons 16 dec. 2020 kl 09:06 skrev Yuri Bushmelev <jay4mail@gmail.com>:

> Hello!
>
> As I understand, the topic starter was talking about messages from the
> network (I guess received on port 514/udp). There is no journald involved
> in this case.
>
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 at 00:45, Vitaly Repin via rsyslog <
> rsyslog@lists.adiscon.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Check which process listens to /dev/log at the destination server. It
>> might
>> be journald and not rsyslogd.
>>
>> Config file you shared does not have SystemLogSocketName. Probably it is
>> somewhere in /etc/rsyslog.d/
>> This sets the name of the socket rsyslogd is listening to.
>>
>> Delay 2-5 minutes can be caused by journald.
>>
>> Den tis 15 dec. 2020 kl 16:09 skrev supertwisters via rsyslog <
>> rsyslog@lists.adiscon.com>:
>>
>> > I'm using `rsyslog` to collect logs from multiple servers which are all
>> > being
>> > sent to a single server.
>> > I've noticed that logs sometime appears with delay of 2-5 minutes in
>> > `/var/log/messages` of the destination server.
>> >
>> > By using `tcpdump` on both source and destination servers, i saw that
>> the
>> > messages are being sent from the source server and being received in
>> > destination server almost immediately. However, The messages appears
>> with
>> > delay in `/var/log/messages` of the destination server, and not at the
>> same
>> > moment as they received in the server according to `tcpdump`.
>> >
>> > What could be the issue? Please advise.
>> >
>> > Attached is my rsyslog.conf file. rsyslog.rsyslog
>> > <
>> http://rsyslog-users.1305293.n2.nabble.com/file/t396283/rsyslog.rsyslog>
>
>

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Re: Messages appears with delayed in /var/log/messages [ In reply to ]
Hello!

Actually I saw a lot of similar complaints here and on github. So it seems
it's working this way by default. I have no idea what are defaults in old
rsyslog with legacy-style configuration though..

On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 at 16:19, Vitaly Repin <vitaly_repin@fsfe.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Yes. But 5 minutes delay is hard to explain if journald is not involved.
>
> That's why I suggested to double check that messages are really coming
> from the network to rsyslogd and thereafter written to the disk by
> rsyslogd.
>
> Den ons 16 dec. 2020 kl 09:06 skrev Yuri Bushmelev <jay4mail@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> As I understand, the topic starter was talking about messages from the
>> network (I guess received on port 514/udp). There is no journald involved
>> in this case.
>>
>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 at 00:45, Vitaly Repin via rsyslog <
>> rsyslog@lists.adiscon.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Check which process listens to /dev/log at the destination server. It
>>> might
>>> be journald and not rsyslogd.
>>>
>>> Config file you shared does not have SystemLogSocketName. Probably it is
>>> somewhere in /etc/rsyslog.d/
>>> This sets the name of the socket rsyslogd is listening to.
>>>
>>> Delay 2-5 minutes can be caused by journald.
>>>
>>> Den tis 15 dec. 2020 kl 16:09 skrev supertwisters via rsyslog <
>>> rsyslog@lists.adiscon.com>:
>>>
>>> > I'm using `rsyslog` to collect logs from multiple servers which are all
>>> > being
>>> > sent to a single server.
>>> > I've noticed that logs sometime appears with delay of 2-5 minutes in
>>> > `/var/log/messages` of the destination server.
>>> >
>>> > By using `tcpdump` on both source and destination servers, i saw that
>>> the
>>> > messages are being sent from the source server and being received in
>>> > destination server almost immediately. However, The messages appears
>>> with
>>> > delay in `/var/log/messages` of the destination server, and not at the
>>> same
>>> > moment as they received in the server according to `tcpdump`.
>>> >
>>> > What could be the issue? Please advise.
>>> >
>>> > Attached is my rsyslog.conf file. rsyslog.rsyslog
>>> > <
>>> http://rsyslog-users.1305293.n2.nabble.com/file/t396283/rsyslog.rsyslog>
>>
>>
>
> --
> WBR & WBW, Vitaly
>


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Re: Messages appears with delayed in /var/log/messages [ In reply to ]
I see nothing in the config that delays processing. Creating a debug
log may enlighten us. See here:

https://www.rsyslog.com/doc/master/troubleshooting/debug.html

On-page search for "Enabling Debug via rsyslog.conf". When done, we
can look at the debug log and see when and from where the message
comes from, how it is processed and how the timing inside rsyslog is
(the initial number in the lines is seconds).

As few messages as possible should be processed during the run.

HTH
Rainer

El mié, 16 dic 2020 a las 9:34, Yuri Bushmelev via rsyslog
(<rsyslog@lists.adiscon.com>) escribió:
>
> Hello!
>
> Actually I saw a lot of similar complaints here and on github. So it seems
> it's working this way by default. I have no idea what are defaults in old
> rsyslog with legacy-style configuration though..
>
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 at 16:19, Vitaly Repin <vitaly_repin@fsfe.org> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Yes. But 5 minutes delay is hard to explain if journald is not involved.
> >
> > That's why I suggested to double check that messages are really coming
> > from the network to rsyslogd and thereafter written to the disk by
> > rsyslogd.
> >
> > Den ons 16 dec. 2020 kl 09:06 skrev Yuri Bushmelev <jay4mail@gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Hello!
> >>
> >> As I understand, the topic starter was talking about messages from the
> >> network (I guess received on port 514/udp). There is no journald involved
> >> in this case.
> >>
> >> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 at 00:45, Vitaly Repin via rsyslog <
> >> rsyslog@lists.adiscon.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> Check which process listens to /dev/log at the destination server. It
> >>> might
> >>> be journald and not rsyslogd.
> >>>
> >>> Config file you shared does not have SystemLogSocketName. Probably it is
> >>> somewhere in /etc/rsyslog.d/
> >>> This sets the name of the socket rsyslogd is listening to.
> >>>
> >>> Delay 2-5 minutes can be caused by journald.
> >>>
> >>> Den tis 15 dec. 2020 kl 16:09 skrev supertwisters via rsyslog <
> >>> rsyslog@lists.adiscon.com>:
> >>>
> >>> > I'm using `rsyslog` to collect logs from multiple servers which are all
> >>> > being
> >>> > sent to a single server.
> >>> > I've noticed that logs sometime appears with delay of 2-5 minutes in
> >>> > `/var/log/messages` of the destination server.
> >>> >
> >>> > By using `tcpdump` on both source and destination servers, i saw that
> >>> the
> >>> > messages are being sent from the source server and being received in
> >>> > destination server almost immediately. However, The messages appears
> >>> with
> >>> > delay in `/var/log/messages` of the destination server, and not at the
> >>> same
> >>> > moment as they received in the server according to `tcpdump`.
> >>> >
> >>> > What could be the issue? Please advise.
> >>> >
> >>> > Attached is my rsyslog.conf file. rsyslog.rsyslog
> >>> > <
> >>> http://rsyslog-users.1305293.n2.nabble.com/file/t396283/rsyslog.rsyslog>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > WBR & WBW, Vitaly
> >
>
>
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Re: Messages appears with delayed in /var/log/messages [ In reply to ]
Oh, just saw the version number. Way back, we had a version with a bug
that wrote to disk only on buffer full. Maybe that's what's happening
here.

So let me add to my previous email:

FIRST upgrade to rsyslog current (8.2012.0),
THEN create the debug log

chances are great it's just an faulty very old version that is causing
this issue.

Rainer

El mié, 16 dic 2020 a las 12:45, Rainer Gerhards
(<rgerhards@hq.adiscon.com>) escribió:
>
> I see nothing in the config that delays processing. Creating a debug
> log may enlighten us. See here:
>
> https://www.rsyslog.com/doc/master/troubleshooting/debug.html
>
> On-page search for "Enabling Debug via rsyslog.conf". When done, we
> can look at the debug log and see when and from where the message
> comes from, how it is processed and how the timing inside rsyslog is
> (the initial number in the lines is seconds).
>
> As few messages as possible should be processed during the run.
>
> HTH
> Rainer
>
> El mié, 16 dic 2020 a las 9:34, Yuri Bushmelev via rsyslog
> (<rsyslog@lists.adiscon.com>) escribió:
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > Actually I saw a lot of similar complaints here and on github. So it seems
> > it's working this way by default. I have no idea what are defaults in old
> > rsyslog with legacy-style configuration though..
> >
> > On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 at 16:19, Vitaly Repin <vitaly_repin@fsfe.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Yes. But 5 minutes delay is hard to explain if journald is not involved.
> > >
> > > That's why I suggested to double check that messages are really coming
> > > from the network to rsyslogd and thereafter written to the disk by
> > > rsyslogd.
> > >
> > > Den ons 16 dec. 2020 kl 09:06 skrev Yuri Bushmelev <jay4mail@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > >> Hello!
> > >>
> > >> As I understand, the topic starter was talking about messages from the
> > >> network (I guess received on port 514/udp). There is no journald involved
> > >> in this case.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 at 00:45, Vitaly Repin via rsyslog <
> > >> rsyslog@lists.adiscon.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hello,
> > >>>
> > >>> Check which process listens to /dev/log at the destination server. It
> > >>> might
> > >>> be journald and not rsyslogd.
> > >>>
> > >>> Config file you shared does not have SystemLogSocketName. Probably it is
> > >>> somewhere in /etc/rsyslog.d/
> > >>> This sets the name of the socket rsyslogd is listening to.
> > >>>
> > >>> Delay 2-5 minutes can be caused by journald.
> > >>>
> > >>> Den tis 15 dec. 2020 kl 16:09 skrev supertwisters via rsyslog <
> > >>> rsyslog@lists.adiscon.com>:
> > >>>
> > >>> > I'm using `rsyslog` to collect logs from multiple servers which are all
> > >>> > being
> > >>> > sent to a single server.
> > >>> > I've noticed that logs sometime appears with delay of 2-5 minutes in
> > >>> > `/var/log/messages` of the destination server.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > By using `tcpdump` on both source and destination servers, i saw that
> > >>> the
> > >>> > messages are being sent from the source server and being received in
> > >>> > destination server almost immediately. However, The messages appears
> > >>> with
> > >>> > delay in `/var/log/messages` of the destination server, and not at the
> > >>> same
> > >>> > moment as they received in the server according to `tcpdump`.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > What could be the issue? Please advise.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Attached is my rsyslog.conf file. rsyslog.rsyslog
> > >>> > <
> > >>> http://rsyslog-users.1305293.n2.nabble.com/file/t396283/rsyslog.rsyslog>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > > WBR & WBW, Vitaly
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
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