Ira Abramov writes:
> On 23 Feb 1997, Russell Nelson wrote:
>
> > Ira Abramov writes:
> >
> > > - clean up the last few backward compatabilities with sendmail
Ahhh, I didn't realize you meant /var/qmail/bin/sendmail.
> > > - find a nice solution for people used to using .forward
> >
> > .forward is badly documented. In most cases .forward can be renamed
> > to .qmail.
>
> yes, but go and send the word about it to a 1500 user system. 100 messages
> will pong "how do I rename it?" and 400 more will be "what is .forward?"
And how do *you* explain how .forward works when a user asks you??
> I think the users shouldn't care what the mail server is. I have users
> coming in and creating .forward files without asking... I don't envy
> admins of big systems having to explain to every new yet experianced user
> that comes through the door that .forward is dead, and .qmail is the one
> to use... people like to import all their dot files and expect to go on
> working as usual.
Essentially you are saying that Unix should never be improved,
because, even though it makes Unix easier to learn and use, it would
confuse experienced users. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for this idea.
> at any rate, like many here said, /var is NOT a place for binaries for
> many more than one reason. I'll symlink my installation out of there, but
> it IS something to look at. I have no prolonged experiance with Unices,
> but I have yet to find standard distributions, especially ones that are
> freewares or GPLed and the like and are classified under "contrib" that
> have the "nerve" to use /var for binaries :)
/var is for files that are specific to the system they are on. The
qmail binaries and man pages are specific to the system they are on.
You may agree or disagree that *this* is the right thing to do, but
/var is the right place for those files.
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> On 23 Feb 1997, Russell Nelson wrote:
>
> > Ira Abramov writes:
> >
> > > - clean up the last few backward compatabilities with sendmail
Ahhh, I didn't realize you meant /var/qmail/bin/sendmail.
> > > - find a nice solution for people used to using .forward
> >
> > .forward is badly documented. In most cases .forward can be renamed
> > to .qmail.
>
> yes, but go and send the word about it to a 1500 user system. 100 messages
> will pong "how do I rename it?" and 400 more will be "what is .forward?"
And how do *you* explain how .forward works when a user asks you??
> I think the users shouldn't care what the mail server is. I have users
> coming in and creating .forward files without asking... I don't envy
> admins of big systems having to explain to every new yet experianced user
> that comes through the door that .forward is dead, and .qmail is the one
> to use... people like to import all their dot files and expect to go on
> working as usual.
Essentially you are saying that Unix should never be improved,
because, even though it makes Unix easier to learn and use, it would
confuse experienced users. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for this idea.
> at any rate, like many here said, /var is NOT a place for binaries for
> many more than one reason. I'll symlink my installation out of there, but
> it IS something to look at. I have no prolonged experiance with Unices,
> but I have yet to find standard distributions, especially ones that are
> freewares or GPLed and the like and are classified under "contrib" that
> have the "nerve" to use /var for binaries :)
/var is for files that are specific to the system they are on. The
qmail binaries and man pages are specific to the system they are on.
You may agree or disagree that *this* is the right thing to do, but
/var is the right place for those files.
--
-russ <nelson@crynwr.com> http://www.crynwr.com/~nelson
Crynwr Software sells network driver support | PGP ok
521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | Peace, Justice, Freedom:
Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | pick two (only mostly true)