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On 3/16/2023 8:07 PM, a a wrote:
> Crash report:
>
> Problem Caption:
> Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
> Application name: python.exe
> Application version: 3.8.7150.1013
> Application time signature: 5fe0df5a
> Error module name: _multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd
> Version of the module with the error: 0.0.0.0
> Time signature of the module with the error: 63dfe4cf
> Exception code: c000001d
> Exception offset: 000269c9
> Operating system version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
> Regional Settings ID: 1045
> Additional information 1: 0a9e
> Additional information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
> Additional information 3: 0a9e
> Additional information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789

This exception has been reported to have many causes, but one
possibility seems to be that your computer may not support an advanced
instruction set that the .pyd was compiled for. I found this one
specifically mentioned on the Internet: Advanced Vector Extensions. If
that were the case, you would either need to find a different version of
the module, or upgrade the computer/OS.

It would be worth trying to downgrade the multiarray version to an
earlier one and see if that fixes the problem.
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On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:03:14 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:
> On 3/16/2023 8:07 PM, a a wrote:
> > Crash report:
> >
> > Problem Caption:
> > Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
> > Application name: python.exe
> > Application version: 3.8.7150.1013
> > Application time signature: 5fe0df5a
> > Error module name: _multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd
> > Version of the module with the error: 0.0.0.0
> > Time signature of the module with the error: 63dfe4cf
> > Exception code: c000001d
> > Exception offset: 000269c9
> > Operating system version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
> > Regional Settings ID: 1045
> > Additional information 1: 0a9e
> > Additional information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
> > Additional information 3: 0a9e
> > Additional information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
> This exception has been reported to have many causes, but one
> possibility seems to be that your computer may not support an advanced
> instruction set that the .pyd was compiled for. I found this one
> specifically mentioned on the Internet: Advanced Vector Extensions. If
> that were the case, you would either need to find a different version of
> the module, or upgrade the computer/OS.
>
> It would be worth trying to downgrade the multiarray version to an
> earlier one and see if that fixes the problem.

Thank you Thomas
for your kind reply.

I am fully aware to be living on an old machine, old OS, Windows 7, 32-bit system
but I have visited every social chat support forum on the Internet: from Python to Matplotlib, Numpy, Twitter, Github.

As a newbie I am not aware how to downgrade "the multiarray version to an
earlier one

I simply tried to test Python code from


https://www.section.io/engineering-education/reading-and-processing-android-sensor-data-using-python-with-csv-read/

====
# Python program to read .csv file

import numpy as np
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
import csv
----

"After importing the libraries, we now read the .csv file:

with open('accl1.csv', 'r') as f:
data = list(csv.reader(f, delimiter=',')) #reading csv file

====
Just read about AVE from Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions

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On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:03:14 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:
> On 3/16/2023 8:07 PM, a a wrote:
> > Crash report:
> >
> > Problem Caption:
> > Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
> > Application name: python.exe
> > Application version: 3.8.7150.1013
> > Application time signature: 5fe0df5a
> > Error module name: _multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd
> > Version of the module with the error: 0.0.0.0
> > Time signature of the module with the error: 63dfe4cf
> > Exception code: c000001d
> > Exception offset: 000269c9
> > Operating system version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
> > Regional Settings ID: 1045
> > Additional information 1: 0a9e
> > Additional information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
> > Additional information 3: 0a9e
> > Additional information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
> This exception has been reported to have many causes, but one
> possibility seems to be that your computer may not support an advanced
> instruction set that the .pyd was compiled for. I found this one
> specifically mentioned on the Internet: Advanced Vector Extensions. If
> that were the case, you would either need to find a different version of
> the module, or upgrade the computer/OS.
>
> It would be worth trying to downgrade the multiarray version to an
> earlier one and see if that fixes the problem.


Just reading from search engine:

https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+to+downgrade+_multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd+&form=QBLH&sp=-1&lq=0&pq=how+to+downgrade+_multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd+&sc=1-50&qs=n&sk=
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On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:32:53 UTC+1, a a wrote:
> On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:03:14 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:
> > On 3/16/2023 8:07 PM, a a wrote:
> > > Crash report:
> > >
> > > Problem Caption:
> > > Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
> > > Application name: python.exe
> > > Application version: 3.8.7150.1013
> > > Application time signature: 5fe0df5a
> > > Error module name: _multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd
> > > Version of the module with the error: 0.0.0.0
> > > Time signature of the module with the error: 63dfe4cf
> > > Exception code: c000001d
> > > Exception offset: 000269c9
> > > Operating system version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
> > > Regional Settings ID: 1045
> > > Additional information 1: 0a9e
> > > Additional information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
> > > Additional information 3: 0a9e
> > > Additional information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
> > This exception has been reported to have many causes, but one
> > possibility seems to be that your computer may not support an advanced
> > instruction set that the .pyd was compiled for. I found this one
> > specifically mentioned on the Internet: Advanced Vector Extensions. If
> > that were the case, you would either need to find a different version of
> > the module, or upgrade the computer/OS.
> >
> > It would be worth trying to downgrade the multiarray version to an
> > earlier one and see if that fixes the problem.
> Thank you Thomas
> for your kind reply.
>
> I am fully aware to be living on an old machine, old OS, Windows 7, 32-bit system
> but I have visited every social chat support forum on the Internet: from Python to Matplotlib, Numpy, Twitter, Github.
>
> As a newbie I am not aware how to downgrade "the multiarray version to an
> earlier one
>
> I simply tried to test Python code from
>
>
> https://www.section.io/engineering-education/reading-and-processing-android-sensor-data-using-python-with-csv-read/
>
> ====
> # Python program to read .csv file
>
> import numpy as np
> import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
> import csv
> ----
>
> "After importing the libraries, we now read the .csv file:
>
> with open('accl1.csv', 'r') as f:
> data = list(csv.reader(f, delimiter=',')) #reading csv file
>
> ====
> Just read about AVE from Wikipedia
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions


downloaded and run
HWiNFO
and AVE not supported, not greened out
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On 3/17/2023 11:32 AM, a a wrote:
> On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:03:14 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:

>> It would be worth trying to downgrade the multiarray version to an
>> earlier one and see if that fixes the problem.
>
> Thank you Thomas for your kind reply.
>
> I am fully aware to be living on an old machine, old OS, Windows 7,
> 32-bit system but I have visited every social chat support forum on
> the Internet: from Python to Matplotlib, Numpy, Twitter, Github.
I mentioned the "multiarray" just because of its name in the error message:

"Error module name: _multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd "

I assumed that the code you tried to run required an import from a
module or package whose name included "multiarray". But I didn't try to
actually look for one. Now I've checked, and I see it's included with
NumPy.

> I simply tried to test Python code from
>
>
> https://www.section.io/engineering-education/reading-and-processing-android-sensor-data-using-python-with-csv-read/
>
> ==== # Python program to read .csv file
>
> import numpy as np import matplotlib.pyplot as plt import csv ----
>
> "After importing the libraries, we now read the .csv file:
>
> with open('accl1.csv', 'r') as f: data = list(csv.reader(f,
> delimiter=',')) #reading csv file

You don't need numpy just to do this import, so you could remove the
numpy import just to test reading the csv file. But I imagine you do
need numpy for later steps.

>
> As a newbie I am not aware how to downgrade "the multiarray version
> to an earlier one.
I just had to do this myself to work around a change in an import that
broke one of my programs (not a numpy import). If you can identify an
earlier version that work - we will use proglib v 3.72 as an example -
with pip you would use

python3 -m pip install --upgrade proglib<=3.72

To get exactly version 3.72, you would use "==3.72".

NOTE - no space allowed before the first "=" character!.
NOTE - you may need to type "python" or "py" instead of "python3". Just
use the one that runs the version of Python that you want to run.

To find which versions are available:

python3 -m pip install --upgrade proglib==

To find out which version you have installed on your computer:

python3 -m pip show numpy

After you downgrade to an earlier version, you can test it just by
trying to import numpy. In an interpreter session, just try to import it:

>>> import numpy

If that succeeds, chances are you will be all set.

> ==== Just read about AVE from Wikipedia
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions

I have read that there are other instruction set extensions that could
be missing besides AVE, that could cause that exception code. The fact
that you have a relatively old computer suggests that could be the problem.

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On 3/17/2023 11:52 AM, a a wrote:
> On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:32:53 UTC+1, a a wrote:
>> On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:03:14 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:
>>> On 3/16/2023 8:07 PM, a a wrote:
>>>> Crash report:
>>>>
>>>> Problem Caption:
>>>> Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
>>>> Application name: python.exe
>>>> Application version: 3.8.7150.1013
>>>> Application time signature: 5fe0df5a
>>>> Error module name: _multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd
>>>> Version of the module with the error: 0.0.0.0
>>>> Time signature of the module with the error: 63dfe4cf
>>>> Exception code: c000001d
>>>> Exception offset: 000269c9
>>>> Operating system version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
>>>> Regional Settings ID: 1045
>>>> Additional information 1: 0a9e
>>>> Additional information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
>>>> Additional information 3: 0a9e
>>>> Additional information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
>>> This exception has been reported to have many causes, but one
>>> possibility seems to be that your computer may not support an advanced
>>> instruction set that the .pyd was compiled for. I found this one
>>> specifically mentioned on the Internet: Advanced Vector Extensions. If
>>> that were the case, you would either need to find a different version of
>>> the module, or upgrade the computer/OS.
>>>
>>> It would be worth trying to downgrade the multiarray version to an
>>> earlier one and see if that fixes the problem.
>> Thank you Thomas
>> for your kind reply.
>>
>> I am fully aware to be living on an old machine, old OS, Windows 7, 32-bit system
>> but I have visited every social chat support forum on the Internet: from Python to Matplotlib, Numpy, Twitter, Github.
>>
>> As a newbie I am not aware how to downgrade "the multiarray version to an
>> earlier one
>>
>> I simply tried to test Python code from
>>
>>
>> https://www.section.io/engineering-education/reading-and-processing-android-sensor-data-using-python-with-csv-read/
>>
>> ====
>> # Python program to read .csv file
>>
>> import numpy as np
>> import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
>> import csv
>> ----
>>
>> "After importing the libraries, we now read the .csv file:
>>
>> with open('accl1.csv', 'r') as f:
>> data = list(csv.reader(f, delimiter=',')) #reading csv file
>>
>> ====
>> Just read about AVE from Wikipedia
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions
>
>
> downloaded and run
> HWiNFO
> and AVE not supported, not greened out

That's too bad; you may be out of luck. It's possible that someone has
compiled the .pyd library in such a way that it does not need the
instruction set extensions. I'm sorry but I don't know how to find out
except by trying internet searches - or by downgrading to earlier
versions of Numpy hoping to find one that works and also can be used by
the other libraries/programs that need to use it.

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On Saturday, 18 March 2023 at 20:12:22 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:
> On 3/17/2023 11:52 AM, a a wrote:
> > On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:32:53 UTC+1, a a wrote:
> >> On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:03:14 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:
> >>> On 3/16/2023 8:07 PM, a a wrote:
> >>>> Crash report:
> >>>>
> >>>> Problem Caption:
> >>>> Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
> >>>> Application name: python.exe
> >>>> Application version: 3.8.7150.1013
> >>>> Application time signature: 5fe0df5a
> >>>> Error module name: _multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd
> >>>> Version of the module with the error: 0.0.0.0
> >>>> Time signature of the module with the error: 63dfe4cf
> >>>> Exception code: c000001d
> >>>> Exception offset: 000269c9
> >>>> Operating system version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
> >>>> Regional Settings ID: 1045
> >>>> Additional information 1: 0a9e
> >>>> Additional information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
> >>>> Additional information 3: 0a9e
> >>>> Additional information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
> >>> This exception has been reported to have many causes, but one
> >>> possibility seems to be that your computer may not support an advanced
> >>> instruction set that the .pyd was compiled for. I found this one
> >>> specifically mentioned on the Internet: Advanced Vector Extensions. If
> >>> that were the case, you would either need to find a different version of
> >>> the module, or upgrade the computer/OS.
> >>>
> >>> It would be worth trying to downgrade the multiarray version to an
> >>> earlier one and see if that fixes the problem.
> >> Thank you Thomas
> >> for your kind reply.
> >>
> >> I am fully aware to be living on an old machine, old OS, Windows 7, 32-bit system
> >> but I have visited every social chat support forum on the Internet: from Python to Matplotlib, Numpy, Twitter, Github.
> >>
> >> As a newbie I am not aware how to downgrade "the multiarray version to an
> >> earlier one
> >>
> >> I simply tried to test Python code from
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.section.io/engineering-education/reading-and-processing-android-sensor-data-using-python-with-csv-read/
> >>
> >> ====
> >> # Python program to read .csv file
> >>
> >> import numpy as np
> >> import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
> >> import csv
> >> ----
> >>
> >> "After importing the libraries, we now read the .csv file:
> >>
> >> with open('accl1.csv', 'r') as f:
> >> data = list(csv.reader(f, delimiter=',')) #reading csv file
> >>
> >> ====
> >> Just read about AVE from Wikipedia
> >>
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions
> >
> >
> > downloaded and run
> > HWiNFO
> > and AVE not supported, not greened out
> That's too bad; you may be out of luck. It's possible that someone has
> compiled the .pyd library in such a way that it does not need the
> instruction set extensions. I'm sorry but I don't know how to find out
> except by trying internet searches - or by downgrading to earlier
> versions of Numpy hoping to find one that works and also can be used by
> the other libraries/programs that need to use it.


Thank you Thomas for youre kind help.

You are the real Python PRO, you deserve Nobel Prize in Python.

I operated an old Dell computer with Windows XP preinstalled
and upgraded XP to Windows 7 to get some web services to work.

Unfortunately I failed to find and install driver for video controller since none supported by Dell.

Visited many driver sites (Intel Driver Assistant included and more)
without any success.

So life with an old PC is not easy



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On 3/22/2023 8:09 AM, a a wrote:
> On Saturday, 18 March 2023 at 20:12:22 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:
>> On 3/17/2023 11:52 AM, a a wrote:
>>> On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:32:53 UTC+1, a a wrote:
>>>> On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:03:14 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:
>>>>> On 3/16/2023 8:07 PM, a a wrote:
>>>>>> Crash report:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Problem Caption:
>>>>>> Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
>>>>>> Application name: python.exe
>>>>>> Application version: 3.8.7150.1013
>>>>>> Application time signature: 5fe0df5a
>>>>>> Error module name: _multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd
>>>>>> Version of the module with the error: 0.0.0.0
>>>>>> Time signature of the module with the error: 63dfe4cf
>>>>>> Exception code: c000001d
>>>>>> Exception offset: 000269c9
>>>>>> Operating system version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
>>>>>> Regional Settings ID: 1045
>>>>>> Additional information 1: 0a9e
>>>>>> Additional information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
>>>>>> Additional information 3: 0a9e
>>>>>> Additional information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
>>>>> This exception has been reported to have many causes, but one
>>>>> possibility seems to be that your computer may not support an advanced
>>>>> instruction set that the .pyd was compiled for. I found this one
>>>>> specifically mentioned on the Internet: Advanced Vector Extensions. If
>>>>> that were the case, you would either need to find a different version of
>>>>> the module, or upgrade the computer/OS.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be worth trying to downgrade the multiarray version to an
>>>>> earlier one and see if that fixes the problem.
>>>> Thank you Thomas
>>>> for your kind reply.
>>>>
>>>> I am fully aware to be living on an old machine, old OS, Windows 7, 32-bit system
>>>> but I have visited every social chat support forum on the Internet: from Python to Matplotlib, Numpy, Twitter, Github.
>>>>
>>>> As a newbie I am not aware how to downgrade "the multiarray version to an
>>>> earlier one
>>>>
>>>> I simply tried to test Python code from
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.section.io/engineering-education/reading-and-processing-android-sensor-data-using-python-with-csv-read/
>>>>
>>>> ====
>>>> # Python program to read .csv file
>>>>
>>>> import numpy as np
>>>> import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
>>>> import csv
>>>> ----
>>>>
>>>> "After importing the libraries, we now read the .csv file:
>>>>
>>>> with open('accl1.csv', 'r') as f:
>>>> data = list(csv.reader(f, delimiter=',')) #reading csv file
>>>>
>>>> ====
>>>> Just read about AVE from Wikipedia
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions
>>>
>>>
>>> downloaded and run
>>> HWiNFO
>>> and AVE not supported, not greened out
>> That's too bad; you may be out of luck. It's possible that someone has
>> compiled the .pyd library in such a way that it does not need the
>> instruction set extensions. I'm sorry but I don't know how to find out
>> except by trying internet searches - or by downgrading to earlier
>> versions of Numpy hoping to find one that works and also can be used by
>> the other libraries/programs that need to use it.
>
>
> Thank you Thomas for youre kind help.
>
> You are the real Python PRO, you deserve Nobel Prize in Python.
:)

> I operated an old Dell computer with Windows XP preinstalled
> and upgraded XP to Windows 7 to get some web services to work.
>
> Unfortunately I failed to find and install driver for video controller since none supported by Dell.
>
> Visited many driver sites (Intel Driver Assistant included and more)
> without any success.
>
> So life with an old PC is not easy

I reused my 10-year-old Sony VAIO laptop (it had Windows 8, IIRC) to be
a Linux machine - I got a 1T external solid state drive, set up the BIOS
to boot from it, and installed Linux Mint. If you are willing to tackle
Linux, this might be a good way to go. I recommend Mint for newcomers
to Linux. The computer is much snappier and pleasant to use than it was
under Windows.

I mostly use it as a backup computer. I had to to without my main
computer for a week or so, and the old machine made a fine substitute.
I even copied all my Thunderbird emails over and used email all the week
without losing any messages. Actually, the keyboard on that old computer
is much better than I've got on my new one, although a few keys are
getting a little flaky.

I was able to compile some version of Python on it, though I forget why
I needed to do that. With this setup, you could install a newer version
of Python, and Numpy would work - it might get compiled during
installation, but that's not a problem. It happens automatically.

If fact, I know that it works because I have Numpy working on the
computer. Of course, my computer has the instruction set extensions and
your does not, so who knows if can be compiled for you. But it would
probably be your best bet.

Anyway, if you decide to try it out, let us know. And if you hit any
problems, I might be able to help you. I'm not a Linux expert but I've
installed various distributions maybe 20 times or more as virtual
machines, and twice using an external drive, including running Tomcat
and MySQL as services. Once you get it installed and working, and
learned some of its quirks (not too bad, mostly about installing
programs and configuring the desktop to be more to your liking), it's
not much different from using Windows. Well, batch files are really
different...

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On 3/18/2023 3:05 PM, Thomas Passin wrote:
>> downloaded and run HWiNFO and AVE not supported, not greened out
>
> That's too bad; you may be out of luck. It's possible that someone
> has compiled the .pyd library in such a way that it does not need the
> instruction set extensions. I'm sorry but I don't know how to find
> out except by trying internet searches - or by downgrading to earlier
> versions of Numpy hoping to find one that works and also can be used
> by the other libraries/programs that need to use it.

Here's a possibility to try -

https://www.lfd.uci.edu/~gohlke/pythonlibs/#numpy

"NumPy: a fundamental package needed for scientific computing with Python.

Numpy+MKL is linked to the Intel® Math Kernel Library and includes
required DLLs in the numpy.DLLs directory.

Numpy+Vanilla is a minimal distribution, which does not include any
optimized BLAS libray or C runtime DLLs."

I didn't realize that Christoph Gohlke is still maintaining this site. I
haven't needed to use it since PyPi got so much more complete about
packages with binary code. He has tons of binary packages for all kinds
of Python libraries. I think this one might work for you because it
links to the Intel math library. So it may be able to use various or no
instruction set extensions. If so, it could work with your old processor.

Worth trying, anyway.

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On 3/23/23 09:48, Thomas Passin wrote:

> I didn't realize that Christoph Gohlke is still maintaining this site.

Unless the the last-changed stuff stopped working, it's in a static state:

by Christoph Gohlke.?Updated on 26 June 2022 at 07:27 UTC



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On 3/23/2023 3:38 PM, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> On 3/23/23 09:48, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
>> I didn't realize that Christoph Gohlke is still maintaining this site.
>
> Unless the the last-changed stuff stopped working, it's in a static state:
>
> by Christoph Gohlke.?Updated on 26 June 2022 at 07:27 UTC

I did see that. The OP needs a version that would work with Windows 7
and an older version of Python (3.7 or 3.8, IIRC), so things may work out.

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On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 22:15:10 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:
> On 3/23/2023 3:38 PM, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> > On 3/23/23 09:48, Thomas Passin wrote:
> >
> >> I didn't realize that Christoph Gohlke is still maintaining this site.
> >
> > Unless the the last-changed stuff stopped working, it's in a static state:
> >
> > by Christoph Gohlke.?Updated on 26 June 2022 at 07:27 UTC
> I did see that. The OP needs a version that would work with Windows 7
> and an older version of Python (3.7 or 3.8, IIRC), so things may work out.
Thank you Thomas for your excellent work you did for me.

Ok, I know, I need to switch to Windows 10 run on another PC next to me.

I need to learn how to copy and move every web page opened in Firefox as a reference to social media, web sites for Python, chat and more (about 50 web pages live opened ;)

I really love the limited functionality of w3schools to let me live open and run Python examples, especiallly Matplotlib examples.

Unfortunately chat forum at w3schools is low traffic, showing no interest to add more examples.


https://www.w3schools.com/python/trypython.asp?filename=demo_matplotlib_subplots3

https://www.w3schools.com/python/matplotlib_subplot.asp

thank you Thomas,

darius
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On 3/27/2023 10:07 AM, a a wrote:
> Ok, I know, I need to switch to Windows 10 run on another PC next to me.
>
> I need to learn how to copy and move every web page opened in Firefox as a reference to social media, web sites for Python, chat and more (about 50 web pages live opened ????

This sounds like you mean when you get a new Windows 10 PC, you will
want to move your open tabs to the new machine. I see several
possibilities for this.

1. Copy your Firefox profile folder to the new computer, and tell
Firefox to use it as the default profile. I *think* this will include
the open tabs, but I haven't tried it. Saving that folder is useful for
backup anyway. (If you use Thunderbird for email, you really *must*
back up its profile folder because all your email with its folder
structure is there. BTW, you can even copy the profile over to a Linux
machine that has Thunderbird, and presto, all your email will be there.
The Firefox profile would probably transfer just as well).

2. Bookmark all your open tabs under a new heading "open tabs", then
export the bookmarks. In the new machine, import them into Firefox
there. They won't open in tabs, but it will be easy to find them and
open them when you want to. You probably will want to copy over your
bookmarks anyway, so this adds little effort.

3. There may be a specific record of open tabs that you can copy or
export. I don't know about this but an internet search should help.

Good luck.
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On Monday, 27 March 2023 at 19:19:41 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
> On 3/27/2023 10:07 AM, a a wrote:
> > Ok, I know, I need to switch to Windows 10 run on another PC next to me.
> >
> > I need to learn how to copy and move every web page opened in Firefox as a reference to social media, web sites for Python, chat and more (about 50 web pages live opened ????
>
> This sounds like you mean when you get a new Windows 10 PC, you will
> want to move your open tabs to the new machine. I see several
> possibilities for this.
>
> 1. Copy your Firefox profile folder to the new computer, and tell
> Firefox to use it as the default profile. I *think* this will include
> the open tabs, but I haven't tried it. Saving that folder is useful for
> backup anyway. (If you use Thunderbird for email, you really *must*
> back up its profile folder because all your email with its folder
> structure is there. BTW, you can even copy the profile over to a Linux
> machine that has Thunderbird, and presto, all your email will be there.
> The Firefox profile would probably transfer just as well).
>
> 2. Bookmark all your open tabs under a new heading "open tabs", then
> export the bookmarks. In the new machine, import them into Firefox
> there. They won't open in tabs, but it will be easy to find them and
> open them when you want to. You probably will want to copy over your
> bookmarks anyway, so this adds little effort.
>
> 3. There may be a specific record of open tabs that you can copy or
> export. I don't know about this but an internet search should help.
>
> Good luck.

a nice solution comes from

How to Copy URLs of All Open Tabs in Firefox

https://www.howtogeek.com/723921/how-to-copy-urls-of-all-open-tabs-in-firefox/

right clicking opened tab, all opened tabs can be selected
moving via menu to bookmarks/ booksmarks management
url bookmarks can be right-mouse clicked to copy urls
finally, urls can be pasted into Notepad++
and saved as a file
unfortunately, saving as .html file
fails to generate html file with clickable web links

Notepad++ keeps urls active, selectable but not ready to be opened in Firefox

so I need to learn how to make Notepad++ or another editor to save urls as
html file

BTW

Selecting all opened tabs I get 1,000+ active urls (opened web pages ), so something must be wrong
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On 3/27/2023 3:07 PM, a a wrote:
> On Monday, 27 March 2023 at 19:19:41 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
>> On 3/27/2023 10:07 AM, a a wrote:
>>> Ok, I know, I need to switch to Windows 10 run on another PC next to me.
>>>
>>> I need to learn how to copy and move every web page opened in Firefox as a reference to social media, web sites for Python, chat and more (about 50 web pages live opened ????
>>
>> This sounds like you mean when you get a new Windows 10 PC, you will
>> want to move your open tabs to the new machine. I see several
>> possibilities for this.
>>
>> 1. Copy your Firefox profile folder to the new computer, and tell
>> Firefox to use it as the default profile. I *think* this will include
>> the open tabs, but I haven't tried it. Saving that folder is useful for
>> backup anyway. (If you use Thunderbird for email, you really *must*
>> back up its profile folder because all your email with its folder
>> structure is there. BTW, you can even copy the profile over to a Linux
>> machine that has Thunderbird, and presto, all your email will be there.
>> The Firefox profile would probably transfer just as well).
>>
>> 2. Bookmark all your open tabs under a new heading "open tabs", then
>> export the bookmarks. In the new machine, import them into Firefox
>> there. They won't open in tabs, but it will be easy to find them and
>> open them when you want to. You probably will want to copy over your
>> bookmarks anyway, so this adds little effort.
>>
>> 3. There may be a specific record of open tabs that you can copy or
>> export. I don't know about this but an internet search should help.
>>
>> Good luck.
>
> a nice solution comes from
>
> How to Copy URLs of All Open Tabs in Firefox
>
> https://www.howtogeek.com/723921/how-to-copy-urls-of-all-open-tabs-in-firefox/
>
> right clicking opened tab, all opened tabs can be selected
> moving via menu to bookmarks/ booksmarks management
> url bookmarks can be right-mouse clicked to copy urls
> finally, urls can be pasted into Notepad++
> and saved as a file
> unfortunately, saving as .html file
> fails to generate html file with clickable web links
>

Don't go pasting urls into a text file one by one. Instead, do my #2
above. That will import all the bookmarks, including the tabs you saved
as bookmarks. Then import the exported bookmark file into the new
browser. There's no reason to fuss around trying to get text copies of
urls to open.

For that matter, the exported bookmarks file is an HTML file and can be
opened directly in a browser, with clickable links.

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On 3/27/2023 4:02 PM, Thomas Passin wrote:
> On 3/27/2023 3:07 PM, a a wrote:
>> On Monday, 27 March 2023 at 19:19:41 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
>>> On 3/27/2023 10:07 AM, a a wrote:
>>>> Ok, I know, I need to switch to Windows 10 run on another PC next to
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> I need to learn how to copy and move every web page opened in
>>>> Firefox as a reference to social media, web sites for Python, chat
>>>> and more (about 50 web pages live opened ????
>>>
>>> This sounds like you mean when you get a new Windows 10 PC, you will
>>> want to move your open tabs to the new machine. I see several
>>> possibilities for this.
>>>
>>> 1. Copy your Firefox profile folder to the new computer, and tell
>>> Firefox to use it as the default profile. I *think* this will include
>>> the open tabs, but I haven't tried it. Saving that folder is useful for
>>> backup anyway. (If you use Thunderbird for email, you really *must*
>>> back up its profile folder because all your email with its folder
>>> structure is there. BTW, you can even copy the profile over to a Linux
>>> machine that has Thunderbird, and presto, all your email will be there.
>>> The Firefox profile would probably transfer just as well).
>>>
>>> 2. Bookmark all your open tabs under a new heading "open tabs", then
>>> export the bookmarks. In the new machine, import them into Firefox
>>> there. They won't open in tabs, but it will be easy to find them and
>>> open them when you want to. You probably will want to copy over your
>>> bookmarks anyway, so this adds little effort.
>>>
>>> 3. There may be a specific record of open tabs that you can copy or
>>> export. I don't know about this but an internet search should help.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>
>> a nice solution comes from
>>
>> How to Copy URLs of All Open Tabs in Firefox
>>
>> https://www.howtogeek.com/723921/how-to-copy-urls-of-all-open-tabs-in-firefox/
>>
>> right clicking opened tab, all opened tabs can be selected
>> moving via menu to bookmarks/ booksmarks management
>> url bookmarks can be right-mouse clicked to copy urls
>> finally, urls can be pasted into Notepad++
>> and saved as a file
>> unfortunately, saving as .html file
>> fails to generate html file with clickable web links
>>
>
> Don't go pasting urls into a text file one by one.  Instead, do my #2
> above. That will import all the bookmarks, including the tabs you saved
> as bookmarks.  Then import the exported bookmark file into the new
> browser.  There's no reason to fuss around trying to get text copies of
> urls to open.
>
> For that matter, the exported bookmarks file is an HTML file and can be
> opened directly in a browser, with clickable links.

All right, I think I've got the easiest way to go. You *can* bookmark
all the tabs at once - see below. Then, as I already proposed, export
the bookmarks and import them into Firefox on the new computer.

To save the tabs, right click any one of them and select the "Select All
Tabs" item. They will all highlight. Right click on one of them and
select the "Bookmark Tabs" item. A dialog box will open with an entry
lone for the Name to use (like "Tabset1") and a location - a bookmark
folder - for them to go into. CAREFUL - if you just click "Save", you
may not be able to find them. Use the dropdown arrow to save them in
one of the top level folders, like "Bookmarks Toolbars".

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On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 02:07:43 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
> On 3/27/2023 4:02 PM, Thomas Passin wrote:
> > On 3/27/2023 3:07 PM, a a wrote:
> >> On Monday, 27 March 2023 at 19:19:41 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
> >>> On 3/27/2023 10:07 AM, a a wrote:
> >>>> Ok, I know, I need to switch to Windows 10 run on another PC next to
> >>>> me.
> >>>>
> >>>> I need to learn how to copy and move every web page opened in
> >>>> Firefox as a reference to social media, web sites for Python, chat
> >>>> and more (about 50 web pages live opened ????
> >>>
> >>> This sounds like you mean when you get a new Windows 10 PC, you will
> >>> want to move your open tabs to the new machine. I see several
> >>> possibilities for this.
> >>>
> >>> 1. Copy your Firefox profile folder to the new computer, and tell
> >>> Firefox to use it as the default profile. I *think* this will include
> >>> the open tabs, but I haven't tried it. Saving that folder is useful for
> >>> backup anyway. (If you use Thunderbird for email, you really *must*
> >>> back up its profile folder because all your email with its folder
> >>> structure is there. BTW, you can even copy the profile over to a Linux
> >>> machine that has Thunderbird, and presto, all your email will be there.
> >>> The Firefox profile would probably transfer just as well).
> >>>
> >>> 2. Bookmark all your open tabs under a new heading "open tabs", then
> >>> export the bookmarks. In the new machine, import them into Firefox
> >>> there. They won't open in tabs, but it will be easy to find them and
> >>> open them when you want to. You probably will want to copy over your
> >>> bookmarks anyway, so this adds little effort.
> >>>
> >>> 3. There may be a specific record of open tabs that you can copy or
> >>> export. I don't know about this but an internet search should help.
> >>>
> >>> Good luck.
> >>
> >> a nice solution comes from
> >>
> >> How to Copy URLs of All Open Tabs in Firefox
> >>
> >> https://www.howtogeek.com/723921/how-to-copy-urls-of-all-open-tabs-in-firefox/
> >>
> >> right clicking opened tab, all opened tabs can be selected
> >> moving via menu to bookmarks/ booksmarks management
> >> url bookmarks can be right-mouse clicked to copy urls
> >> finally, urls can be pasted into Notepad++
> >> and saved as a file
> >> unfortunately, saving as .html file
> >> fails to generate html file with clickable web links
> >>
> >
> > Don't go pasting urls into a text file one by one. Instead, do my #2
> > above. That will import all the bookmarks, including the tabs you saved
> > as bookmarks. Then import the exported bookmark file into the new
> > browser. There's no reason to fuss around trying to get text copies of
> > urls to open.
> >
> > For that matter, the exported bookmarks file is an HTML file and can be
> > opened directly in a browser, with clickable links.
> All right, I think I've got the easiest way to go. You *can* bookmark
> all the tabs at once - see below. Then, as I already proposed, export
> the bookmarks and import them into Firefox on the new computer.
>
> To save the tabs, right click any one of them and select the "Select All
> Tabs" item. They will all highlight. Right click on one of them and
> select the "Bookmark Tabs" item. A dialog box will open with an entry
> lone for the Name to use (like "Tabset1") and a location - a bookmark
> folder - for them to go into. CAREFUL - if you just click "Save", you
> may not be able to find them. Use the dropdown arrow to save them in
> one of the top level folders, like "Bookmarks Toolbars".

I can select All Opened Tabs (as from the given link)
and get 1,000+ Opened Tabs ( I am afraid, this is s number of all saved bookmarks in the past)
I go to menu, Bookmarks, Manage Boomarks and copy Tabs

and
https://www.textfixer.com/html/convert-url-to-html-link.php

does the job, converting text urls into clickable web links

I copy the result and past into Notepad++ to save file as html

and what I get is web page of clickable Opened Tabs

since icon and page name are lost
I would prefer another solution already ofered by Firex to generate web page of recently visited web pages,
unfortunately coming with limits on the number of visited
web pages,
so I contacted Firefox, Notepad++ for help
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On 3/27/2023 8:37 PM, a a wrote:
>> To save the tabs, right click any one of them and select the "Select All
>> Tabs" item. They will all highlight. Right click on one of them and
>> select the "Bookmark Tabs" item. A dialog box will open with an entry
>> lone for the Name to use (like "Tabset1") and a location - a bookmark
>> folder - for them to go into. CAREFUL - if you just click "Save", you
>> may not be able to find them. Use the dropdown arrow to save them in
>> one of the top level folders, like "Bookmarks Toolbars".
> I can select All Opened Tabs (as from the given link)
> and get 1,000+ Opened Tabs ( I am afraid, this is s number of all saved bookmarks in the past)
> I go to menu, Bookmarks, Manage Boomarks and copy Tabs
>
> and
> https://www.textfixer.com/html/convert-url-to-html-link.php
>
> does the job, converting text urls into clickable web links
>
> I copy the result and past into Notepad++ to save file as html
>
> and what I get is web page of clickable Opened Tabs
>
> since icon and page name are lost

I don't understand this. You don't really have 1000 tabs open at the
same time, do you? If you select all the open tabs - I think you wrote
that you only have 50 - then you can save them as bookmarks under a
folder name you choose. That folder will contain the 50 open links. I
tried it this evening, so I know that's how it works. (It happens that
I'm working on my own bookmark manager just now, so I've been messing
around with importing, exporting, and reading the bookmark files).

Then you can export them and import the same bookmark file into another
browser on another computer. Whenever you want to reopen some of those
tabs, you would navigate to that part of the bookmarks and open the tabs
you want.

Maybe you have something else in mind? Do you want to send the links of
the opened tab set to someone else, but not all your bookmarks? Please
explain more carefully what you want to do.

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On 3/27/2023 8:37 PM, a a wrote:
> I can select All Opened Tabs (as from the given link)
> and get 1,000+ Opened Tabs ( I am afraid, this is s number of all saved bookmarks in the past)
> I go to menu, Bookmarks, Manage Boomarks and copy Tabs
>
> and
> https://www.textfixer.com/html/convert-url-to-html-link.php
>
> does the job, converting text urls into clickable web links
>
> I copy the result and past into Notepad++ to save file as html
>
> and what I get is web page of clickable Opened Tabs
You can get that directly in Notepad++. Load Firefox's HTML format
bookmark file into Notepad++. View it in a browser using the "View/View
Current File In" menu item. True, you could have opened it directly in
the browser, but now you can edit the file and cut out the parts you
don't need, and check to make sure you get what you intended. The
structure of the HTML is very regular.

If you have saved your set of opened links under a distinctive heading
near the top of the collection - as I suggested earlier - it should be
easy to find the start and end points of their HTML elements, and delete
all the ones you don't want. You could import this shortened bookmark
file into another installation of Firefox and this would add them to the
bookmarks in the other browser, all grouped by your custom heading.

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On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 06:33:44 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
> On 3/27/2023 8:37 PM, a a wrote:
> >> To save the tabs, right click any one of them and select the "Select All
> >> Tabs" item. They will all highlight. Right click on one of them and
> >> select the "Bookmark Tabs" item. A dialog box will open with an entry
> >> lone for the Name to use (like "Tabset1") and a location - a bookmark
> >> folder - for them to go into. CAREFUL - if you just click "Save", you
> >> may not be able to find them. Use the dropdown arrow to save them in
> >> one of the top level folders, like "Bookmarks Toolbars".
> > I can select All Opened Tabs (as from the given link)
> > and get 1,000+ Opened Tabs ( I am afraid, this is s number of all saved bookmarks in the past)
> > I go to menu, Bookmarks, Manage Boomarks and copy Tabs
> >
> > and
> > https://www.textfixer.com/html/convert-url-to-html-link.php
> >
> > does the job, converting text urls into clickable web links
> >
> > I copy the result and past into Notepad++ to save file as html
> >
> > and what I get is web page of clickable Opened Tabs
> >
> > since icon and page name are lost
> I don't understand this. You don't really have 1000 tabs open at the
> same time, do you? If you select all the open tabs - I think you wrote
> that you only have 50 - then you can save them as bookmarks under a
> folder name you choose. That folder will contain the 50 open links. I
> tried it this evening, so I know that's how it works. (It happens that
> I'm working on my own bookmark manager just now, so I've been messing
> around with importing, exporting, and reading the bookmark files).
>
> Then you can export them and import the same bookmark file into another
> browser on another computer. Whenever you want to reopen some of those
> tabs, you would navigate to that part of the bookmarks and open the tabs
> you want.
>
> Maybe you have something else in mind? Do you want to send the links of
> the opened tab set to someone else, but not all your bookmarks? Please
> explain more carefully what you want to do.

Ok, I was not aware of the real number of the opened Tabs in Firefox, since I can jump from left to right and vice versa in real time, so the number given by me: 50 opened Tabs was my general estimate, but I can read the real number of opened Tabs from the same menu (line below) to be 1,000+

What I copy and paste into Notepad++ is 1,000+ -line file.
It's hard to verify if the above number is made of opened Tabs only or bookmarks are included,
since I exactly use and keep multi Tabs opened as my live bookmarks and cache memory, when I work on my projects (watching, counting sunspots, Earthquakes prediction in Turkey, ... )

I would like to fund the development of such smart Tabs Manager to replace boomarks, to let me group Tabs belonging to different projects.

It doesn't look to be complicated, if supported by the Firefox team.

Firefox 97. comes with alike functionality (when I open a new Tab) but limited to 4 rows of web-page icons + names and 4 rows called: Recent activity

All I need is to replace opened Tabs by history of the Recent activity - default Firefox page, when I open a new Tab

It's hard to imagine, I can have 1,000+ Tabs live opened in Firefox
but I really need such feature, called in the past as: MyLifeBits by MS

So I have to ask Firefox team today to lift 4 rows limit on web links and 4 rows limit on the recent activity, coming with
New Tab opened


When I am busy on a project I can open 100+ web pages via search engine in one day and would prefer
100+ opened Tabs to be saved in html format for the records as a reference.

Hope to get some support from Firefox team via Twitter.

Ok, smart bookmarks manager can offer the above functionality right now, so I go to search engine to get one.

darius

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On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 06:33:44 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
> On 3/27/2023 8:37 PM, a a wrote:
> >> To save the tabs, right click any one of them and select the "Select All
> >> Tabs" item. They will all highlight. Right click on one of them and
> >> select the "Bookmark Tabs" item. A dialog box will open with an entry
> >> lone for the Name to use (like "Tabset1") and a location - a bookmark
> >> folder - for them to go into. CAREFUL - if you just click "Save", you
> >> may not be able to find them. Use the dropdown arrow to save them in
> >> one of the top level folders, like "Bookmarks Toolbars".
> > I can select All Opened Tabs (as from the given link)
> > and get 1,000+ Opened Tabs ( I am afraid, this is s number of all saved bookmarks in the past)
> > I go to menu, Bookmarks, Manage Boomarks and copy Tabs
> >
> > and
> > https://www.textfixer.com/html/convert-url-to-html-link.php
> >
> > does the job, converting text urls into clickable web links
> >
> > I copy the result and past into Notepad++ to save file as html
> >
> > and what I get is web page of clickable Opened Tabs
> >
> > since icon and page name are lost
> I don't understand this. You don't really have 1000 tabs open at the
> same time, do you? If you select all the open tabs - I think you wrote
> that you only have 50 - then you can save them as bookmarks under a
> folder name you choose. That folder will contain the 50 open links. I
> tried it this evening, so I know that's how it works. (It happens that
> I'm working on my own bookmark manager just now, so I've been messing
> around with importing, exporting, and reading the bookmark files).
>
> Then you can export them and import the same bookmark file into another
> browser on another computer. Whenever you want to reopen some of those
> tabs, you would navigate to that part of the bookmarks and open the tabs
> you want.
>
> Maybe you have something else in mind? Do you want to send the links of
> the opened tab set to someone else, but not all your bookmarks? Please
> explain more carefully what you want to do.

Ok, I can export bookmarks to html file and open it in Firefox to get
a long list of clickable urls but icon of the bookmarked web page is missing.

When I open Bookmarks as right a side-bar I can view and identify an individual Boomarks by icon,
so I would like Firefox Library to export Bookmarks to html file, icons included ;)

Since accessing opened Tabs is my default use of history in Firefox and has worked fine for years
I paid no special interest to bookmark opened Tabs and assign labels to individual bookmark.

So, generally speaking, I am happy with 1,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox , not being sure if this number is for real or refers to every bookmark from the history + opened Tabs

But definitely I need a smarter solution and approach to manage 10,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox in a future ;)

- I just build personal search engine resembling targets set by MyLifeBits Project by Microsoft in the past.

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On 3/28/2023 8:47 AM, a a wrote:
> Ok, I can export bookmarks to html file and open it in Firefox to get
> a long list of clickable urls but icon of the bookmarked web page is missing.
>
> When I open Bookmarks as right a side-bar I can view and identify an individual Boomarks by icon,
> so I would like Firefox Library to export Bookmarks to html file, icons included ????
>
> Since accessing opened Tabs is my default use of history in Firefox and has worked fine for years
> I paid no special interest to bookmark opened Tabs and assign labels to individual bookmark.
>
> So, generally speaking, I am happy with 1,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox , not being sure if this number is for real or refers to every bookmark from the history + opened Tabs
>
> But definitely I need a smarter solution and approach to manage 10,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox in a future ????

I think you had better start using another name for this thread, if it
continues.

The HTML export file will contain the icons, but the HTML elements do
not provide for showing them.

I can't imagine how you can find anything among nor navigate through
1000 open tabs, let alone 10,000 in the future. I would think the memory
usage would be impossibly high. So I hope you are mostly using the
history and do not really have that many tabs open at once!

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On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 18:12:40 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
> On 3/28/2023 8:47 AM, a a wrote:
> > Ok, I can export bookmarks to html file and open it in Firefox to get
> > a long list of clickable urls but icon of the bookmarked web page is missing.
> >
> > When I open Bookmarks as right a side-bar I can view and identify an individual Boomarks by icon,
> > so I would like Firefox Library to export Bookmarks to html file, icons included ????
> >
> > Since accessing opened Tabs is my default use of history in Firefox and has worked fine for years
> > I paid no special interest to bookmark opened Tabs and assign labels to individual bookmark.
> >
> > So, generally speaking, I am happy with 1,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox , not being sure if this number is for real or refers to every bookmark from the history + opened Tabs
> >
> > But definitely I need a smarter solution and approach to manage 10,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox in a future ????
>
> I think you had better start using another name for this thread, if it
> continues.
>
> The HTML export file will contain the icons, but the HTML elements do
> not provide for showing them.
>
> I can't imagine how you can find anything among nor navigate through
> 1000 open tabs, let alone 10,000 in the future. I would think the memory
> usage would be impossibly high. So I hope you are mostly using the
> history and do not really have that many tabs open at once!


I am a plain guy, so if Firefox counted 1,000+ opened Tabs, I can be surprised, but have no idea how to check that number.

You are exactly right, icon URI and icon data come with saved opened Tabs,
a single example below.

So I am going to ask Firefox team to offer
export to html, modified to have :
icon, name of web page, url address
to appear in a single row (feature already supported by Firefox, when you open new Tab
and click: enter URL or search string - input field,
you get such list
List is limited in size for the reasons unknown to me, but feature works fine.

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So would prefer a horizontal list of opened Tabs
by htmlized, vertical list of the same opened Tabs,
featuring:
icon, name of web-site, URL address

Thank you for your excellent support

darius


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On 3/28/2023 1:50 PM, a a wrote:
> On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 18:12:40 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
>> On 3/28/2023 8:47 AM, a a wrote:
>>> Ok, I can export bookmarks to html file and open it in Firefox to get
>>> a long list of clickable urls but icon of the bookmarked web page is missing.
>>>
>>> When I open Bookmarks as right a side-bar I can view and identify an individual Boomarks by icon,
>>> so I would like Firefox Library to export Bookmarks to html file, icons included ????
>>>
>>> Since accessing opened Tabs is my default use of history in Firefox and has worked fine for years
>>> I paid no special interest to bookmark opened Tabs and assign labels to individual bookmark.
>>>
>>> So, generally speaking, I am happy with 1,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox , not being sure if this number is for real or refers to every bookmark from the history + opened Tabs
>>>
>>> But definitely I need a smarter solution and approach to manage 10,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox in a future ????
>>
>> I think you had better start using another name for this thread, if it
>> continues.
>>
>> The HTML export file will contain the icons, but the HTML elements do
>> not provide for showing them.
>>
>> I can't imagine how you can find anything among nor navigate through
>> 1000 open tabs, let alone 10,000 in the future. I would think the memory
>> usage would be impossibly high. So I hope you are mostly using the
>> history and do not really have that many tabs open at once!
>
>
> I am a plain guy, so if Firefox counted 1,000+ opened Tabs, I can be surprised, but have no idea how to check that number.
>
> You are exactly right, icon URI and icon data come with saved opened Tabs,
> a single example below.
>
> So I am going to ask Firefox team to offer
> export to html, modified to have :
> icon, name of web page, url address
> to appear in a single row (feature already supported by Firefox, when you open new Tab
> and click: enter URL or search string - input field,
> you get such list
> List is limited in size for the reasons unknown to me, but feature works fine.

You should be aware that the HTML format for bookmarks is a standard
developed back in the day by Netscape. It goes back to the early 1990s,
I think. The FF folks will not be modifying it, since all browsers know
how to generate it and consume it, and who knows how many software
packages consume it. No one can afford to have a change, even one
that's supposed to be harmless, inadvertently break software that's
worked for years.

They are going to need a lot of persuading.

Maybe there's something else they would be willing and able to do. But
you can expect that any proposed new feature will probably need to have
some strong support. Raymond Chen at Microsoft has written how each new
feature proposal starts off with -100 points. Only if the advantages
get the score up above zero can the feature have any chance of getting
adopted - and then it has to compete with other potential features that
have their own scores.


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> So would prefer a horizontal list of opened Tabs
> by htmlized, vertical list of the same opened Tabs,
> featuring:
> icon, name of web-site, URL address
>
> Thank you for your excellent support

You're welcome.

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