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Re: [SPAM] Re: Switching to Discourse
100% agree ? dealing with 5 or more platforms for discussion groups is a nightmare, and I tend not to follow any of them as closely for that reason.

From: Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, July 15, 2022 at 9:26 AM
To: Petr Viktorin <encukou@gmail.com>
Cc: python-dev@python.org <python-dev@python.org>
Subject: [SPAM] [Python-Dev] Re: Switching to Discourse
The discuss.python.org<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdiscuss.python.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crobb%40datalogics.com%7C241da9f510764bf2ba8608da666df61c%7Cfc3d8cdfd6994f23ae232659c3da4749%7C0%7C1%7C637934919720701261%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DThYDKE32GfsdNG9hlvthdjnl%2B%2BmnvPUj3lM9SnsjbE%3D&reserved=0> experiment has been going on for quite a while,
and while the platform is not without its issues, we consider it a
success. The Core Development category is busier than python-dev.
According to staff, discuss.python.org<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdiscuss.python.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crobb%40datalogics.com%7C241da9f510764bf2ba8608da666df61c%7Cfc3d8cdfd6994f23ae232659c3da4749%7C0%7C1%7C637934919720701261%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DThYDKE32GfsdNG9hlvthdjnl%2B%2BmnvPUj3lM9SnsjbE%3D&reserved=0> is much easier to moderate.. If
you're following python-dev but not discuss.python.org<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdiscuss.python.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crobb%40datalogics.com%7C241da9f510764bf2ba8608da666df61c%7Cfc3d8cdfd6994f23ae232659c3da4749%7C0%7C1%7C637934919720701261%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DThYDKE32GfsdNG9hlvthdjnl%2B%2BmnvPUj3lM9SnsjbE%3D&reserved=0>, you're missing out.

Personally, I think you are focused too narrowly and aren't seeing the forest for the trees. Email protocols were long ago standardized. As a result, people can use any of a large number of applications to read and organize their email. To my knowledge, there is no standardization amongst the various forum tools out there. I'm not suggesting discuss is necessarily better or worse than other (often not open source) forum tools, but each one implements its own walled garden. I'm referring more broadly than just Python, or even Python development, though even within the Python community it's now difficult to manage/monitor all the various discussion sources (email, discuss, GitHub, Stack Overflow, ...)

Get off my lawn! ;-)

Skip, kinda glad he's retired now...
Re: [SPAM] Re: Switching to Discourse [ In reply to ]
On 15/07/2022 16:09, Rob Boehne via Python-Dev wrote:
> 100% agree – dealing with 5 or more platforms for discussion groups is
> a nightmare, and I tend not to follow any of them as closely for that
> reason.

I agree. I don't mind having to use Discourse if I want to take part in
a discussion but 99% of the time I just want to keep up to date with
what is going on. In that case I want the information to come to me - I
don't want to have to hunt for it. Can there be an RSS feed for
everything, not just PEPs?

Phil

> From: Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@gmail.com>
> Date: Friday, July 15, 2022 at 9:26 AM
> To: Petr Viktorin <encukou@gmail.com>
> Cc: python-dev@python.org <python-dev@python.org>
> Subject: [SPAM] [Python-Dev] Re: Switching to Discourse
> The
> discuss.python.org<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdiscuss.python.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crobb%40datalogics.com%7C241da9f510764bf2ba8608da666df61c%7Cfc3d8cdfd6994f23ae232659c3da4749%7C0%7C1%7C637934919720701261%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DThYDKE32GfsdNG9hlvthdjnl%2B%2BmnvPUj3lM9SnsjbE%3D&reserved=0>
> experiment has been going on for quite a while,
> and while the platform is not without its issues, we consider it a
> success. The Core Development category is busier than python-dev.
> According to staff,
> discuss.python.org<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdiscuss.python.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crobb%40datalogics.com%7C241da9f510764bf2ba8608da666df61c%7Cfc3d8cdfd6994f23ae232659c3da4749%7C0%7C1%7C637934919720701261%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DThYDKE32GfsdNG9hlvthdjnl%2B%2BmnvPUj3lM9SnsjbE%3D&reserved=0>
> is much easier to moderate.. If
> you're following python-dev but not
> discuss.python.org<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdiscuss.python.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crobb%40datalogics.com%7C241da9f510764bf2ba8608da666df61c%7Cfc3d8cdfd6994f23ae232659c3da4749%7C0%7C1%7C637934919720701261%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DThYDKE32GfsdNG9hlvthdjnl%2B%2BmnvPUj3lM9SnsjbE%3D&reserved=0>,
> you're missing out.
>
> Personally, I think you are focused too narrowly and aren't seeing the
> forest for the trees. Email protocols were long ago standardized. As a
> result, people can use any of a large number of applications to read
> and organize their email. To my knowledge, there is no standardization
> amongst the various forum tools out there. I'm not suggesting discuss
> is necessarily better or worse than other (often not open source)
> forum tools, but each one implements its own walled garden. I'm
> referring more broadly than just Python, or even Python development,
> though even within the Python community it's now difficult to
> manage/monitor all the various discussion sources (email, discuss,
> GitHub, Stack Overflow, ...)
>
> Get off my lawn! ;-)
>
> Skip, kinda glad he's retired now...
>
>
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Re: [SPAM] Re: Switching to Discourse [ In reply to ]
On 15. 07. 22 17:34, Phil Thompson via Python-Dev wrote:
> On 15/07/2022 16:09, Rob Boehne via Python-Dev wrote:
>> 100% agree – dealing with 5 or more platforms for discussion groups is
>> a nightmare, and I tend not to follow any of them as closely for that
>> reason.
>
> I agree. I don't mind having to use Discourse if I want to take part in
> a discussion but 99% of the time I just want to keep up to date with
> what is going on. In that case I want the information to come to me - I
> don't want to have to hunt for it. Can there be an RSS feed for
> everything, not just PEPs?

For everything on Discourse, the RSS feed is at
https://discuss.python.org/latest.rss
For a specific categoriy/topic, append .rss to the Web URL.
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Re: [SPAM] Re: Switching to Discourse [ In reply to ]
Le 15/07/2022 à 17:52, Petr Viktorin a écrit :
>
> For everything on Discourse, the RSS feed is at
> https://discuss.python.org/latest.rss
> For a specific categoriy/topic, append .rss to the Web URL.

Hello,

thanks for the useful information.

However, I just tried it and I can only read the first message of each
thread. Then I have to "Read full topic" through the nightmarish web
interface with its nag screens.

Is there a way to access all posts through the mail/RSS client,
preferably with a threaded view?

Cheers,
Baptiste
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