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vrrp on fxp0
Hi all,

We have a M20 with 2 RE.
Anybody tried to run vrrp on fxp0 for router management ?
Pls let me know, if anyabody have experience for that.

Thaniks in advance

Han
vrrp on fxp0 [ In reply to ]
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Why would you want to run vrrp on fxp0? VRRP gives you a degree of
resilience to a default route. Since you can't route traffic via fxp0,
this makes no sense at all.

The thing to do for the 2 REs is to have an IP address for each. Both REs
are live even though one is master and the other slave so you can log into
both of them independently. If you use the predefined groups re0 and re1,
you can have an identical config on both REs which configures the IP
address of fxp0 depending upon which RE slot the config is being installed
on.

Regards,

Guy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hangu Jeong [mailto:hgjeong@icraft21.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:32 AM
> To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
> Subject: [j-nsp] vrrp on fxp0
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> We have a M20 with 2 RE.
> Anybody tried to run vrrp on fxp0 for router management ?
> Pls let me know, if anyabody have experience for that.
>
> Thaniks in advance
>
> Han
>
>
>
>
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vrrp on fxp0 [ In reply to ]
We use a management network via fxp0 with other devices.
I know what you mean,
But we don't want to change the router ip address on management server to telnet when RE changed case.
If we run vrrp on fxp0 with interface tracking, we can access always router without ip address change.
Of course we have to use predefined group re0 and re1 at that case.

Thanks

Han

-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Davies [mailto:Guy.Davies@telindus.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:39 PM
To: 'Hangu Jeong'; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [j-nsp] vrrp on fxp0



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Why would you want to run vrrp on fxp0? VRRP gives you a degree of
resilience to a default route. Since you can't route traffic via fxp0,
this makes no sense at all.

The thing to do for the 2 REs is to have an IP address for each. Both REs
are live even though one is master and the other slave so you can log into
both of them independently. If you use the predefined groups re0 and re1,
you can have an identical config on both REs which configures the IP
address of fxp0 depending upon which RE slot the config is being installed
on.

Regards,

Guy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hangu Jeong [mailto:hgjeong@icraft21.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:32 AM
> To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
> Subject: [j-nsp] vrrp on fxp0
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> We have a M20 with 2 RE.
> Anybody tried to run vrrp on fxp0 for router management ?
> Pls let me know, if anyabody have experience for that.
>
> Thaniks in advance
>
> Han
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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vrrp on fxp0 [ In reply to ]
In this situation I would say that if you lose a RE, telnetting to a
different IP address from the management station is the least of
your concerns.

BB

> We use a management network via fxp0 with other devices.
> I know what you mean,
> But we don't want to change the router ip address on
> management server to telnet when RE changed case.
> If we run vrrp on fxp0 with interface tracking, we can access
> always router without ip address change.
> Of course we have to use predefined group re0 and re1 at that case.
>
> Thanks
>
> Han
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guy Davies [mailto:Guy.Davies@telindus.co.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:39 PM
> To: 'Hangu Jeong'; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
> Subject: RE: [j-nsp] vrrp on fxp0
>
>
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> Why would you want to run vrrp on fxp0? VRRP gives you a degree of
> resilience to a default route. Since you can't route traffic
> via fxp0,
> this makes no sense at all.
>
> The thing to do for the 2 REs is to have an IP address for
> each. Both REs
> are live even though one is master and the other slave so you
> can log into
> both of them independently. If you use the predefined groups
> re0 and re1,
> you can have an identical config on both REs which configures the IP
> address of fxp0 depending upon which RE slot the config is
> being installed
> on.
>
> Regards,
>
> Guy
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hangu Jeong [mailto:hgjeong@icraft21.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:32 AM
> > To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
> > Subject: [j-nsp] vrrp on fxp0
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > We have a M20 with 2 RE.
> > Anybody tried to run vrrp on fxp0 for router management ?
> > Pls let me know, if anyabody have experience for that.
> >
> > Thaniks in advance
> >
> > Han
> >
> >
> >
> >
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vrrp on fxp0 [ In reply to ]
That's true.
But If we are running scheduled auto-configuration generator on
management station ,that is a big issue.

Regards,
Han
--- Original Message ---
From: "Ben Buxton" B.Buxton@Planettechnologies.nl
To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:30:09 +0100
Subject: RE: [j-nsp] vrrp on fxp0

>
>In this situation I would say that if you lose a RE, telnetting to a
>different IP address from the management station is the least of
>your concerns.
>
>BB
>
>>
We use a management network via fxp0 with other devices.
>>
I know what you mean,
>>
But we don't want to change the router ip address on
>>
management server to telnet when RE changed case.
>>
If we run vrrp on fxp0 with interface tracking, we can access
>>
always router without ip address change.
>>
Of course we have to use predefined group re0 and re1 at that case.
>>

>>
Thanks
>>

>>
Han
>>

>>
-----Original Message-----
>>
From: Guy Davies [mailto:Guy.Davies@telindus.co.uk]
>>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:39 PM
>>
To: 'Hangu Jeong'; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
>>
Subject: RE: [j-nsp] vrrp on fxp0
>>

>>

>>

>>
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Why would you want to run vrrp on fxp0? VRRP gives you a degree of
>>
resilience to a default route. Since you can't route traffic
>>
via fxp0,
>>
this makes no sense at all.
>>

>>
The thing to do for the 2 REs is to have an IP address for
>>
each. Both REs
>>
are live even though one is master and the other slave so you
>>
can log into
>>
both of them independently. If you use the predefined groups
>>
re0 and re1,
>>
you can have an identical config on both REs which configures the IP
>>
address of fxp0 depending upon which RE slot the config is
>>
being installed
>>
on.
>>

>>
Regards,
>>

>>
Guy
>>

>>
>
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>>
>
From: Hangu Jeong [mailto:hgjeong@icraft21.com]
>>
>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:32 AM
>>
>
To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
>>
>
Subject: [j-nsp] vrrp on fxp0
>>
>

>>
>

>>
>
Hi all,
>>
>

>>
>
We have a M20 with 2 RE.
>>
>
Anybody tried to run vrrp on fxp0 for router management ?
>>
>
Pls let me know, if anyabody have experience for that.
>>
>

>>
>
Thaniks in advance
>>
>

>>
>
Han
>>
>

>>
>

>>
>

>>
>

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>
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vrrp on fxp0 [ In reply to ]
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 07:31:31PM +0900, Hangu Jeong wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We have a M20 with 2 RE.
> Anybody tried to run vrrp on fxp0 for router management ?
> Pls let me know, if anyabody have experience for that.

Here is an odd one, you can do 802.1q on fxp0 but only w/1496 data octets.
I know the fxp card and a normal freebsd driver supports larger mtu's for
vlan tagging, but the Juniper version of the driver doesn't go above 1514.

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vrrp on fxp0 [ In reply to ]
the approach we took is we will try the re0's ip address, if it fails, we will try the re1's ip address in auto-configuration things.

if re1 works, make re1 the primary ip. if both fails, send alarms

-joe

----- Original Message -----
From: Hangu Jeong
To: Ben Buxton ; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [j-nsp] vrrp on fxp0


That's true.
But If we are running scheduled auto-configuration generator on
management station ,that is a big issue.

Regards,
Han
--- Original Message ---
From: "Ben Buxton" B.Buxton@Planettechnologies.nl
To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:30:09 +0100
Subject: RE: [j-nsp] vrrp on fxp0

>
>In this situation I would say that if you lose a RE, telnetting to a
>different IP address from the management station is the least of
>your concerns.
>
>BB
>
>>
We use a management network via fxp0 with other devices.
>>
I know what you mean,
>>
But we don't want to change the router ip address on
>>
management server to telnet when RE changed case.
>>
If we run vrrp on fxp0 with interface tracking, we can access
>>
always router without ip address change.
>>
Of course we have to use predefined group re0 and re1 at that case.
>>

>>
Thanks
>>

>>
Han
>>

>>
-----Original Message-----
>>
From: Guy Davies [mailto:Guy.Davies@telindus.co.uk]
>>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:39 PM
>>
To: 'Hangu Jeong'; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
>>
Subject: RE: [j-nsp] vrrp on fxp0
>>

>>

>>

>>
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Why would you want to run vrrp on fxp0? VRRP gives you a degree of
>>
resilience to a default route. Since you can't route traffic
>>
via fxp0,
>>
this makes no sense at all.
>>

>>
The thing to do for the 2 REs is to have an IP address for
>>
each. Both REs
>>
are live even though one is master and the other slave so you
>>
can log into
>>
both of them independently. If you use the predefined groups
>>
re0 and re1,
>>
you can have an identical config on both REs which configures the IP
>>
address of fxp0 depending upon which RE slot the config is
>>
being installed
>>
on.
>>

>>
Regards,
>>

>>
Guy
>>

>>
>
-----Original Message-----
>>
>
From: Hangu Jeong [mailto:hgjeong@icraft21.com]
>>
>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:32 AM
>>
>
To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
>>
>
Subject: [j-nsp] vrrp on fxp0
>>
>

>>
>

>>
>
Hi all,
>>
>

>>
>
We have a M20 with 2 RE.
>>
>
Anybody tried to run vrrp on fxp0 for router management ?
>>
>
Pls let me know, if anyabody have experience for that.
>>
>

>>
>
Thaniks in advance
>>
>

>>
>
Han
>>
>

>>
>

>>
>

>>
>

>>
>
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vrrp on fxp0 [ In reply to ]
Been there, done that, got a t-shirt. ;) What we've done is:

- re0 and re1 get their own IP address on their fxp0;
- Loopback0 IP addres is the same on both RE's (but of course);
- We run routing process (rip in our case) on fxp0, advertising the IP
address of Loopback0.

When RE is in stadby, rpd is not running on it and the Loopback0 is only
visible via master RE's fxp0.

Running vrrp was not good enough for us, as there is no mechanism (yet?) to
make the vrrp master to follow the active RE. Consider the case when your
master RE fails, so standby RE (and it's VRRP) takes over, then problem with
ex-master RE is fixed and somebody manually tells it to become master again
(for whatever reason we won't discuss here). VRRP master then stays with the
now-standby RE and your NMS ligts up like a christmas tree.

Alternatively, the same situation occurs if vrrpd crashes on master RE.

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On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 07:51:12PM +0900, Hangu Jeong wrote:
> We use a management network via fxp0 with other devices. I know what you
> mean, But we don't want to change the router ip address on management
> server to telnet when RE changed case. If we run vrrp on fxp0 with
> interface tracking, we can access always router without ip address change.
> Of course we have to use predefined group re0 and re1 at that case.
>
> Thanks
>
> Han
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guy Davies [mailto:Guy.Davies@telindus.co.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:39 PM
> To: 'Hangu Jeong'; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
> Subject: RE: [j-nsp] vrrp on fxp0
>
>
>
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> Why would you want to run vrrp on fxp0? VRRP gives you a degree of
> resilience to a default route. Since you can't route traffic via fxp0,
> this makes no sense at all.
>
> The thing to do for the 2 REs is to have an IP address for each. Both REs
> are live even though one is master and the other slave so you can log into
> both of them independently. If you use the predefined groups re0 and re1,
> you can have an identical config on both REs which configures the IP
> address of fxp0 depending upon which RE slot the config is being installed
> on.
>
> Regards,
>
> Guy
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hangu Jeong [mailto:hgjeong@icraft21.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:32 AM
> > To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
> > Subject: [j-nsp] vrrp on fxp0
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > We have a M20 with 2 RE.
> > Anybody tried to run vrrp on fxp0 for router management ?
> > Pls let me know, if anyabody have experience for that.
> >
> > Thaniks in advance
> >
> > Han
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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vrrp on fxp0 [ In reply to ]
Using the lo0 address may be easier in this case?
That doesn't have to change during the re switchover.

Raymond

Hangu Jeong wrote:
> We use a management network via fxp0 with other devices.
> I know what you mean,
> But we don't want to change the router ip address on management server to telnet when RE changed case.
> If we run vrrp on fxp0 with interface tracking, we can access always router without ip address change.
> Of course we have to use predefined group re0 and re1 at that case.
>
> Thanks
>
> Han
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Why would you want to run vrrp on fxp0? VRRP gives you a degree of
> resilience to a default route. Since you can't route traffic via fxp0,
> this makes no sense at all.
>
> The thing to do for the 2 REs is to have an IP address for each. Both REs
> are live even though one is master and the other slave so you can log into
> both of them independently. If you use the predefined groups re0 and re1,
> you can have an identical config on both REs which configures the IP
> address of fxp0 depending upon which RE slot the config is being installed
> on.
>
> Regards,
>
> Guy
>
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Hangu Jeong [mailto:hgjeong@icraft21.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:32 AM
>>To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
>>Subject: [j-nsp] vrrp on fxp0
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>>Hi all,
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>>We have a M20 with 2 RE.
>>Anybody tried to run vrrp on fxp0 for router management ?
>>Pls let me know, if anyabody have experience for that.
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>>Thaniks in advance
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>>Han
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