Mailing List Archive: Question re. operator tools - somewhere betwixt fast failover and TE

Hello,

I'm Matthew Nance-Hall (Matt), a PhD Candidate at the University of Oregon
working with Prof. Ram Durairajan (UO), Prof. Paul Barford (UW-Madison) and
Prof. Klaus-Tycho Foerster (TU Dortmund).

I was hoping someone could shed operator perspective on a research question
we're exploring. We're interested in the timescales and mechanisms used to
adjust data paths and wondering where gaps might exist between traffic
engineering (TE), fast fail-over, and routing.

We're specifically curious about spatio-temporal characteristics where gaps
might exist. For example, the topological scope of an event (congestion or
outage) and the timescale for adjustments to be made. I'm aware there are
operator tools such as fast fail-over and TE for making changes confined to
single links or across the whole network but wonder if there is a place for
events that have broader scope (beyond a single link but less than the whole
network) where new inquiry and exploration would be welcome.

Thank you,
Matt

I’m not entirely certain these are problems that operators necessarily concern themselves with. Datacenters and specialized service networks, perhaps, but not internet service providers. Mainly because the internet is a relatively lossy beast with several performance inhibitors that constantly lie outside an operator’s control (i.e. bad filters seem to break the entire United States eastern seaboard at least once a year.) I’d wager most of us are not concerned with the kind of failure scenario you’re describing simply because there is no demand from our customers for sub-millisecond remediation. At least not from the ones who are willing to pay for it. ????

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Chris

From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+chris.wright=commnetbroadband.com@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Matthew Nance Hall
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Cc: 'Ramakrishnan Durairajan' <ram@cs.uoregon.edu>; 'PAUL R BARFORD' <pb@cs.wisc.edu>; klaus-tycho.foerster@tu-dortmund.de
Subject: Question re. operator tools - somewhere betwixt fast failover and TE

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Hello,

I'm Matthew Nance-Hall (Matt), a PhD Candidate at the University of Oregon working with Prof. Ram Durairajan (UO), Prof. Paul Barford (UW-Madison) and Prof. Klaus-Tycho Foerster (TU Dortmund).

I was hoping someone could shed operator perspective on a research question we're exploring. We're interested in the timescales and mechanisms used to adjust data paths and wondering where gaps might exist between traffic engineering (TE), fast fail-over, and routing.

We're specifically curious about spatio-temporal characteristics where gaps might exist. For example, the topological scope of an event (congestion or outage) and the timescale for adjustments to be made. I'm aware there are operator tools such as fast fail-over and TE for making changes confined to single links or across the whole network but wonder if there is a place for events that have broader scope (beyond a single link but less than the whole network) where new inquiry and exploration would be welcome.

Thank you,
Matt