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Sweet, that’s massively helpful. I just found the link to request access to the Google ISP portal.

Thank you,
Michael K. Spears

From: Brendan Halley <brendan@halley.net.au>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:18 PM
To: Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation

Hey,

Google ISP portal is your best bet. Can do it self service.

Another way is to get a few Android devices onto the IP range. Google use them heavily for working out Geo.

Brendan


On Sat, 27 Mar 2021, 9:14 am Michael K. Spears, <michael@spears.io<mailto:michael@spears.io>> wrote:
Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.

Thank you,
Michael K. Spears

We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it near the Google section of our geolocation page.




-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com

----- Original Message -----

From: "Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io>
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
Subject: Google IP Geolocation



Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.

Thank you,
Michael K. Spears

Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link…

Thank you,
Michael K. Spears
727.656.3347

From: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
To: Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation

We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it near the Google section of our geolocation page.


-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com

________________________________
From: "Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io<mailto:michael@spears.io>>
To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
Subject: Google IP Geolocation
Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.

Thank you,
Michael K. Spears

As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your RFC8805
format geolocation feed...
these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better for
folks.

the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who scrape
out our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv

-chris
volunteer noc persona

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io> wrote:

> Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it
> definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link…
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michael K. Spears
>
> 727.656.3347
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
> *To:* Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org
> *Subject:* Re: Google IP Geolocation
>
>
>
> We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal
> and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it
> near the Google section of our geolocation page.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io>
> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
> *Subject: *Google IP Geolocation
>
> Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I
> have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michael K. Spears
>
>
>

Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with
geolocation on the ISP portal.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
wrote:

> As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your RFC8805
> format geolocation feed...
> these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better for
> folks.
>
> the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who
> scrape out our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
> https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv
>
> -chris
> volunteer noc persona
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
> wrote:
>
>> Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it
>> definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link…
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Michael K. Spears
>>
>> 727.656.3347
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
>> *To:* Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
>> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org
>> *Subject:* Re: Google IP Geolocation
>>
>>
>>
>> We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal
>> and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it
>> near the Google section of our geolocation page.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> Midwest-IX
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From: *"Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io>
>> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
>> *Sent: *Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
>> *Subject: *Google IP Geolocation
>>
>> Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I
>> have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Michael K. Spears
>>
>>
>>
>

On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with
> geolocation on the ISP portal.
>
>
unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a properly
formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and produce proper results
for you.
you do have to add that in your isp portal:
tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation
and /register feed/ button on that page.


> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow <
> morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your
>> RFC8805 format geolocation feed...
>> these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better
>> for folks.
>>
>> the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who
>> scrape out our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
>> https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv
>>
>> -chris
>> volunteer noc persona
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it
>>> definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Michael K. Spears
>>>
>>> 727.656.3347
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
>>> *To:* Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
>>> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: Google IP Geolocation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP
>>> portal and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link
>>> to it near the Google section of our geolocation page.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> Midwest-IX
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From: *"Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io>
>>> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
>>> *Sent: *Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
>>> *Subject: *Google IP Geolocation
>>>
>>> Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I
>>> have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Michael K. Spears
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

https://isp.google.com

I signed up for an account there and they said:

"Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our partners of GGC, PNI
or IX programs.

The access to portal is granted on request only to our partners."

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with
>> geolocation on the ISP portal.
>>
>>
> unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a
> properly formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and produce proper
> results for you.
> you do have to add that in your isp portal:
> tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation
> and /register feed/ button on that page.
>
>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow <
>> morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your
>>> RFC8805 format geolocation feed...
>>> these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better
>>> for folks.
>>>
>>> the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who
>>> scrape out our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
>>> https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv
>>>
>>> -chris
>>> volunteer noc persona
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it
>>>> definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Michael K. Spears
>>>>
>>>> 727.656.3347
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
>>>> *To:* Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
>>>> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Google IP Geolocation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP
>>>> portal and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link
>>>> to it near the Google section of our geolocation page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>
>>>> Midwest-IX
>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *From: *"Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io>
>>>> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
>>>> *Sent: *Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Google IP Geolocation
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation?
>>>> I have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Michael K. Spears
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

Yep, that's what I finally got. This is a pretty major issue for me and also shows a massive failing on Google..

I'm a VPS hosting provider, and despite no change in geolocation from any other vendor, no changes in the whois on either my ASN or my IP subnets, google is now redirecting to Google Hong Kong (likely due to Asian clients using VPNs from their phones).. This is incredibly annoying and clients shouldn't be able to change geolocation on an entire /24 that easily.

Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>

________________________________
From: Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:52:48 PM
To: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>; nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation

https://isp.google.com

I signed up for an account there and they said:

"Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our partners of GGC, PNI or IX programs.

The access to portal is granted on request only to our partners."

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com<mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com>> wrote:


On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with geolocation on the ISP portal.


unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a properly formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and produce proper results for you.
you do have to add that in your isp portal:
tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation
and /register feed/ button on that page.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com<mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com>> wrote:
As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your RFC8805 format geolocation feed...
these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better for folks.

the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who scrape out our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv

-chris
volunteer noc persona

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io<mailto:michael@spears.io>> wrote:

Awesome, I think I?ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link?



Thank you,

Michael K. Spears

727.656.3347



From: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
To: Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io<mailto:michael@spears.io>>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation



We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it near the Google section of our geolocation page.


-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com



________________________________

From: "Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io<mailto:michael@spears.io>>
To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
Subject: Google IP Geolocation

Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.



Thank you,

Michael K. Spears

it feels like google implemented some sort of new system recently; we have seen 4, 5 providers complaining their IPs being redirect to google Hong Kong just over the last few days.

two of our /23s also have the same symptoms; all clients being redirected to google Hong Kong, plus the permanently-enabled safe search. youtube premium also doesn't work. access request to the isp portal also goes nowhere.

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io> wrote:
>
> Yep, that's what I finally got. This is a pretty major issue for me and also shows a massive failing on Google..
>
> I'm a VPS hosting provider, and despite no change in geolocation from any other vendor, no changes in the whois on either my ASN or my IP subnets, google is now redirecting to Google Hong Kong (likely due to Asian clients using VPNs from their phones).. This is incredibly annoying and clients shouldn't be able to change geolocation on an entire /24 that easily.
>
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> From: Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:52:48 PM
> To: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
> Cc: Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>; nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation
>
> https://isp.google.com <https://isp.google.com/>
>
> I signed up for an account there and they said:
>
> "Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our partners of GGC, PNI or IX programs.
>
> The access to portal is granted on request only to our partners."
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com <mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with geolocation on the ISP portal.
>
>
> unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a properly formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and produce proper results for you.
> you do have to add that in your isp portal:
> tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation
> and /register feed/ button on that page.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com <mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com>> wrote:
> As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your RFC8805 format geolocation feed...
> these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better for folks.
>
> the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who scrape out our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
> https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv <https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv>
>
> -chris
> volunteer noc persona
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io <mailto:michael@spears.io>> wrote:
> Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link…
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michael K. Spears
>
> 727.656.3347
>
>
>
> From: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net <mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>>
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
> To: Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io <mailto:michael@spears.io>>
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation
>
>
>
> We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it near the Google section of our geolocation page.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>
>
> From: "Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io <mailto:michael@spears.io>>
> To: nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
> Subject: Google IP Geolocation
>
> Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michael K. Spears
>
>
>

I am *NOT* complaining about my IPs currently being geo located wrong
today/recently.

I'm just trying to work with Google for our newer coming IPs in the future
in the event that it does have problems. Until recently, all of our IPs
were new from ARIN and that's not something that will be the case for
future expansion. Someone from Google did message me offlist to take a
look at it and possibly get me an account to work with them for these
issues.

I feel sorry for those that are currently having issues. Hopefully you can
get it fixed one way or another sooner rather than later.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 3:17 PM Honghao Zeng <nat@nat.moe> wrote:

> it feels like google implemented some sort of new system recently; we have
> seen 4, 5 providers complaining their IPs being redirect to google Hong
> Kong just over the last few days.
>
> two of our /23s also have the same symptoms; all clients being redirected
> to google Hong Kong, plus the permanently-enabled safe search. youtube
> premium also doesn't work. access request to the isp portal also goes
> nowhere.
>
> On Mar 29, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io> wrote:
>
> Yep, that's what I finally got. This is a pretty major issue for me and
> also shows a massive failing on Google..
>
> I'm a VPS hosting provider, and despite no change in geolocation from any
> other vendor, no changes in the whois on either my ASN or my IP subnets,
> google is now redirecting to Google Hong Kong (likely due to Asian clients
> using VPNs from their phones).. This is incredibly annoying and clients
> shouldn't be able to change geolocation on an entire /24 that easily.
>
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 29, 2021 2:52:48 PM
> *To:* Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>; nanog@nanog.org <
> nanog@nanog.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Google IP Geolocation
>
> https://isp.google.com
>
> I signed up for an account there and they said:
>
> "Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our partners of GGC, PNI
> or IX programs.
>
> The access to portal is granted on request only to our partners."
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow <
> morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with
> geolocation on the ISP portal.
>
>
> unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a
> properly formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and produce proper
> results for you.
> you do have to add that in your isp portal:
> tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation
> and /register feed/ button on that page.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow <
> morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your RFC8805
> format geolocation feed...
> these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better for
> folks.
>
> the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who
> scrape out our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
> https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv
>
> -chris
> volunteer noc persona
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
> wrote:
>
> Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it
> definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link…
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michael K. Spears
>
> 727.656.3347
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
> *To:* Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org
> *Subject:* Re: Google IP Geolocation
>
>
>
> We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal
> and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it
> near the Google section of our geolocation page.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io>
> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
> *Subject: *Google IP Geolocation
>
> Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I
> have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michael K. Spears
>
>
>
>
>

I've had others at Google specifically say that portal should be used for that purpose, so maybe they need to make sure right and left hands know what the other is doing.




-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com

----- Original Message -----

From: "Josh Luthman" <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
To: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:52:48 PM
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation


https://isp.google.com






I signed up for an account there and they said:


"Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our partners of GGC, PNI or IX programs.
The access to portal is granted on request only to our partners."

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow < morrowc.lists@gmail.com > wrote:








On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman < josh@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote:

<blockquote>

Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with geolocation on the ISP portal.










unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a properly formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and produce proper results for you.
you do have to add that in your isp portal:
tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation
and /register feed/ button on that page.

<blockquote>





Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow < morrowc.lists@gmail.com > wrote:

<blockquote>

As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your RFC8805 format geolocation feed...
these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better for folks.


the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who scrape out our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv


-chris
volunteer noc persona


On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears < michael@spears.io > wrote:

<blockquote>



Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link…


Thank you,
Michael K. Spears
727.656.3347



From: Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net >
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
To: Michael K. Spears < michael@spears.io >
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation


We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it near the Google section of our geolocation page.



-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com




From: "Michael K. Spears" < michael@spears.io >
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
Subject: Google IP Geolocation
Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.

Thank you,
Michael K. Spears

</blockquote>

</blockquote>

</blockquote>

</blockquote>

We've also been denied access to the ISP portal.

When we replied as to why, we were told to not open another ticket. They aren't interested in conversation.


Sent from ProtonMail mobile



\-------- Original Message --------
On 30 Mar 2021, 6:53 am, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:

>
>
>
> I've had others at Google specifically say that portal should be used for that purpose, so maybe they need to make sure right and left hands know what the other is doing.
>
>
>
>
>
> \-----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------
>
> **From:** "Josh Luthman" <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> **To:** "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:52:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation
>
>
>
> https://isp.google.com
>
>
>
>
>
> I signed up for an account there and they said:
>
>
>
>
> "Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our partners of GGC, PNI or IX programs.
>
>
> The access to portal is granted on request only to our partners."
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow <[morrowc.lists@gmail.com][morrowc.lists_gmail.com]> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman <[josh@imaginenetworksllc.com][josh_imaginenetworksllc.com]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with geolocation on the ISP portal.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a properly formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and produce proper results for you.
> >
> > you do have to add that in your isp portal:
> > tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation
> >
> > and /register feed/ button on that page.
> >
> > > Josh Luthman
> > > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > Suite 1337
> > > Troy, OH 45373
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow <[morrowc.lists@gmail.com][morrowc.lists_gmail.com]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your RFC8805 format geolocation feed...
> > > >
> > > > these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better for folks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who scrape out our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
> > > > https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > \-chris
> > > >
> > > > volunteer noc persona
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears <[michael@spears.io][michael_spears.io]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link…
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael K. Spears
> > > > >
> > > > > 727.656.3347
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > **From:** Mike Hammett <[nanog@ics-il.net][nanog_ics-il.net]>
> > > > > **Sent:** Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
> > > > > **To:** Michael K. Spears <[michael@spears.io][michael_spears.io]>
> > > > > **Cc:** [nanog@nanog.org][nanog_nanog.org]
> > > > > **Subject:** Re: Google IP Geolocation
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it near the Google section of our geolocation page.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > \-----
> > > > > Mike Hammett
> > > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > > > http://www.ics-il.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Midwest-IX
> > > > > http://www.midwest-ix.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > **From:** "Michael K. Spears" <[michael@spears.io][michael_spears.io]>
> > > > > **To:** [nanog@nanog.org][nanog_nanog.org]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
> > > > > Subject: Google IP Geolocation
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael K. Spears
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
>
>


[morrowc.lists_gmail.com]: mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com
[josh_imaginenetworksllc.com]: mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com
[michael_spears.io]: mailto:michael@spears.io
[nanog_ics-il.net]: mailto:nanog@ics-il.net
[nanog_nanog.org]: mailto:nanog@nanog.org

It seems that Geofeed is no longer working starting last week.

Can confirm this with other few server providers with VPN customers. The
geolocation is now the user's REAL location like Asia or Mid-East while the
IP itself is in the US.

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 03:54 Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:

> I've had others at Google specifically say that portal should be used for
> that purpose, so maybe they need to make sure right and left hands know
> what the other is doing.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *To: *"Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Monday, March 29, 2021 1:52:48 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Google IP Geolocation
>
> https://isp.google.com
>
> I signed up for an account there and they said:
>
> "Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our partners of GGC, PNI
> or IX programs.
>
> The access to portal is granted on request only to our partners."
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow <
> morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with
>>> geolocation on the ISP portal.
>>>
>>>
>> unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a
>> properly formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and produce proper
>> results for you.
>> you do have to add that in your isp portal:
>> tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation
>> and /register feed/ button on that page.
>>
>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow <
>>> morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your
>>>> RFC8805 format geolocation feed...
>>>> these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better
>>>> for folks.
>>>>
>>>> the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who
>>>> scrape out our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
>>>> https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv
>>>>
>>>> -chris
>>>> volunteer noc persona
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it
>>>>> definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael K. Spears
>>>>>
>>>>> 727.656.3347
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
>>>>> *To:* Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
>>>>> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Google IP Geolocation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP
>>>>> portal and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link
>>>>> to it near the Google section of our geolocation page.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Midwest-IX
>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *"Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io>
>>>>> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
>>>>> *Subject: *Google IP Geolocation
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation?
>>>>> I have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael K. Spears
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>

Yep this is the issue I'm running into..

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________________________________
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+michael=spears.io@nanog.org> on behalf of Siyuan Miao <aveline@misaka.io>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:31:29 PM
To: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation

It seems that Geofeed is no longer working starting last week.

Can confirm this with other few server providers with VPN customers. The geolocation is now the user's REAL location like Asia or Mid-East while the IP itself is in the US.

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 03:54 Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>> wrote:
I've had others at Google specifically say that portal should be used for that purpose, so maybe they need to make sure right and left hands know what the other is doing.



-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com

________________________________
From: "Josh Luthman" <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
To: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com<mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com>>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:52:48 PM
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation

https://isp.google.com

I signed up for an account there and they said:

"Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our partners of GGC, PNI or IX programs.

The access to portal is granted on request only to our partners."

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com<mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com>> wrote:


On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with geolocation on the ISP portal.


unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a properly formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and produce proper results for you.
you do have to add that in your isp portal:
tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation
and /register feed/ button on that page.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com<mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com>> wrote:
As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your RFC8805 format geolocation feed...
these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better for folks.

the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who scrape out our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv

-chris
volunteer noc persona

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io<mailto:michael@spears.io>> wrote:

Awesome, I think I?ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link?



Thank you,

Michael K. Spears

727.656.3347



From: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
To: Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io<mailto:michael@spears.io>>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation



We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it near the Google section of our geolocation page.


-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com



________________________________

From: "Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io<mailto:michael@spears.io>>
To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
Subject: Google IP Geolocation

Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.



Thank you,

Michael K. Spears

Just as another viewpoint on this.

We do not peer or have GGC Cache servers, but I put in a request for a
portal account after seeing this thread, and it was approved in less than
24h, so YMMV.

The only thing I can think of that is different, is that we do move enough
traffic for Google to have us flagged as 'Your traffic levels qualify for
Google Peering' (~2.5Gbps) and are an eyeball network.

*Ben Hatton*
*Network Engineer | Haefele Connect*
d:(607)589-8000 | ben@haefeleconnect.com

* <https://www.htva.net>*


On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 9:15 AM Troy Kelly via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
wrote:

> We've also been denied access to the ISP portal.
>
> When we replied as to why, we were told to not open another ticket. They
> aren't interested in conversation.
>
>
> Sent from ProtonMail mobile
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> On 30 Mar 2021, 6:53 am, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>
> I've had others at Google specifically say that portal should be used for
> that purpose, so maybe they need to make sure right and left hands know
> what the other is doing.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *To: *"Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Monday, March 29, 2021 1:52:48 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Google IP Geolocation
>
> https://isp.google.com
>
> I signed up for an account there and they said:
>
> "Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our partners of GGC, PNI
> or IX programs.
>
> The access to portal is granted on request only to our partners."
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow <
> morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with
>>> geolocation on the ISP portal.
>>>
>>>
>> unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a
>> properly formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and produce proper
>> results for you.
>> you do have to add that in your isp portal:
>> tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation
>> and /register feed/ button on that page.
>>
>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow <
>>> morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your
>>>> RFC8805 format geolocation feed...
>>>> these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better
>>>> for folks.
>>>>
>>>> the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who
>>>> scrape out our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
>>>> https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv
>>>>
>>>> -chris
>>>> volunteer noc persona
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it
>>>>> definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael K. Spears
>>>>>
>>>>> 727.656.3347
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
>>>>> *To:* Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
>>>>> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Google IP Geolocation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP
>>>>> portal and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link
>>>>> to it near the Google section of our geolocation page.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Midwest-IX
>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *"Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io>
>>>>> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
>>>>> *Subject: *Google IP Geolocation
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation?
>>>>> I have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael K. Spears
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>

We're also having similar issues - Google is detecting our Singapore IP range as coming from HK, and our HK Ip range as coming from Vietnam

Just applied for access to Google's ISP portal - let's see what happens.

If anyone else have any more ideas how to get Google to fix this, please do share - my users are getting fed up!

________________________________
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+munfai=bubblenut.sg@nanog.org> on behalf of Benjamin Hatton <bhatton@htva.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 9:47 PM
Cc: NANOG Mailing List <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation

Just as another viewpoint on this.

We do not peer or have GGC Cache servers, but I put in a request for a portal account after seeing this thread, and it was approved in less than 24h, so YMMV.

The only thing I can think of that is different, is that we do move enough traffic for Google to have us flagged as 'Your traffic levels qualify for Google Peering' (~2.5Gbps) and are an eyeball network.

Ben Hatton

Network Engineer | Haefele Connect
d:(607)589-8000 | ben@haefeleconnect.com<mailto:ben@haefeleconnect.com>

[https://drive.google.com/a/haefeletv.com/uc?id=1elvqOtC6cqyJTls2CwD9UAQt9tMCT8Bf&export=download]<https://www.htva.net>


On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 9:15 AM Troy Kelly via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> wrote:
We've also been denied access to the ISP portal.

When we replied as to why, we were told to not open another ticket. They aren't interested in conversation.


Sent from ProtonMail mobile



-------- Original Message --------
On 30 Mar 2021, 6:53 am, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>> wrote:

I've had others at Google specifically say that portal should be used for that purpose, so maybe they need to make sure right and left hands know what the other is doing.



-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com

________________________________
From: "Josh Luthman" <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
To: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com<mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com>>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:52:48 PM
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation

https://isp.google.com

I signed up for an account there and they said:

"Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our partners of GGC, PNI or IX programs.

The access to portal is granted on request only to our partners."

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com<mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com>> wrote:


On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with geolocation on the ISP portal.


unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a properly formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and produce proper results for you.
you do have to add that in your isp portal:
tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation
and /register feed/ button on that page.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com<mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com>> wrote:
As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your RFC8805 format geolocation feed...
these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better for folks.

the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who scrape out our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv

-chris
volunteer noc persona

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io<mailto:michael@spears.io>> wrote:

Awesome, I think I?ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link?



Thank you,

Michael K. Spears

727.656.3347



From: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
To: Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io<mailto:michael@spears.io>>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation



We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it near the Google section of our geolocation page.


-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com



________________________________

From: "Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io<mailto:michael@spears.io>>
To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
Subject: Google IP Geolocation

Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.



Thank you,

Michael K. Spears

Do you mind trying https://ipinsight.io/ and see if they're correct
locations (we're 100% confident)?

And see if anyone from Google could have a try on our data to help its
users.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 8:28 AM MunFai Lee <munfai@bubblenut.sg> wrote:

> We're also having similar issues - Google is detecting our Singapore IP
> range as coming from HK, and our HK Ip range as coming from Vietnam
>
> Just applied for access to Google's ISP portal - let's see what happens.
>
> If anyone else have any more ideas how to get Google to fix this, please
> do share - my users are getting fed up!
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+munfai=bubblenut.sg@nanog.org> on behalf of
> Benjamin Hatton <bhatton@htva.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 30, 2021 9:47 PM
> *Cc:* NANOG Mailing List <nanog@nanog.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Google IP Geolocation
>
> Just as another viewpoint on this.
>
> We do not peer or have GGC Cache servers, but I put in a request for a
> portal account after seeing this thread, and it was approved in less than
> 24h, so YMMV.
>
> The only thing I can think of that is different, is that we do move enough
> traffic for Google to have us flagged as 'Your traffic levels qualify for
> Google Peering' (~2.5Gbps) and are an eyeball network.
>
> *Ben Hatton*
> *Network Engineer | Haefele Connect*
> d:(607)589-8000 | ben@haefeleconnect.com
>
> * <https://www.htva.net>*
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 9:15 AM Troy Kelly via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> wrote:
>
> We've also been denied access to the ISP portal.
>
> When we replied as to why, we were told to not open another ticket. They
> aren't interested in conversation.
>
>
> Sent from ProtonMail mobile
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> On 30 Mar 2021, 6:53 am, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>
> I've had others at Google specifically say that portal should be used for
> that purpose, so maybe they need to make sure right and left hands know
> what the other is doing.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *To: *"Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Monday, March 29, 2021 1:52:48 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Google IP Geolocation
>
> https://isp.google.com
>
> I signed up for an account there and they said:
>
> "Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our partners of GGC, PNI
> or IX programs.
>
> The access to portal is granted on request only to our partners."
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow <
> morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with
> geolocation on the ISP portal.
>
>
> unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a
> properly formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and produce proper
> results for you.
> you do have to add that in your isp portal:
> tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation
> and /register feed/ button on that page.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow <
> morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your RFC8805
> format geolocation feed...
> these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better for
> folks.
>
> the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who
> scrape out our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
> https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv
>
> -chris
> volunteer noc persona
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
> wrote:
>
> Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it
> definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link…
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michael K. Spears
>
> 727.656.3347
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
> *To:* Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org
> *Subject:* Re: Google IP Geolocation
>
>
>
> We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal
> and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it
> near the Google section of our geolocation page.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io>
> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
> *Subject: *Google IP Geolocation
>
> Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I
> have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michael K. Spears
>
>
>
>
>

Yup. I've had this problem with Google for two years now.

"We're Google. We know better than you. We're not interested in discussion. And no, you can't have access to the ISP portal you silly little person"  ...... is the summary of my experience.

And all this is despite my network peering with Google over a major IXP.  They *STILL* can't get the right geolocation despite having a direct peering session with us over the exchange !

Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.

??????? Original Message ???????
On Monday, 29 March 2021 21:12, Troy Kelly via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:

> We've also been denied access to the ISP portal.
>
> When we replied as to why, we were told to not open another ticket. They aren't interested in conversation.
>
> Sent from ProtonMail mobile
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> On 30 Mar 2021, 6:53 am, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> > I've had others at Google specifically say that portal should be used for that purpose, so maybe they need to make sure right and left hands know what the other is doing.
> >
> > -----
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> > Midwest-IX
> > http://www.midwest-ix.com
> >
> > From: "Josh Luthman" <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> > To: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
> > Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:52:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation
> >
> > https://isp.google.com
> >
> > I signed up for an account there and they said:
> >
> > "Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our partners of GGC, PNI or IX programs.
> >  
> > The access to portal is granted on request only to our partners." 
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with geolocation on the ISP portal.
> > >
> > > unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a properly formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and produce proper results for you.
> > > you do have to add that in your isp portal:
> > >    tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation
> > > and /register feed/ button on that page.
> > >  
> > >
> > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > Suite 1337
> > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your RFC8805 format geolocation feed...
> > > > > these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better for folks.
> > > > >
> > > > > the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who scrape out our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
> > > > >   https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv
> > > > >
> > > > > -chris
> > > > > volunteer noc persona
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link…
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael K. Spears
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 727.656.3347
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
> > > > > > To: Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
> > > > > > Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it near the Google section of our geolocation page.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike Hammett
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.ics-il.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Midwest-IX
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.midwest-ix.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: "Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To: nanog@nanog.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: Google IP Geolocation
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael K. Spears

I've had a similar issue in the past trying to get ready to peer with them. I wanted portal access to look at things. I may yet post a geofeed file just because.

(I was also rejected a portal account, didn't escalate to friends at google because I know my traffic is under a gig for now).

- Jared

Ps: Akamai can take geofeed if you have issues

Sent from my TI-99/4a

> On Apr 10, 2021, at 4:57 AM, Laura Smith via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
>
> ?Yup. I've had this problem with Google for two years now.
>
> "We're Google. We know better than you. We're not interested in discussion. And no, you can't have access to the ISP portal you silly little person" ...... is the summary of my experience.
>
> And all this is despite my network peering with Google over a major IXP. They *STILL* can't get the right geolocation despite having a direct peering session with us over the exchange !
>
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>
> ??????? Original Message ???????
>> On Monday, 29 March 2021 21:12, Troy Kelly via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
>>
>> We've also been denied access to the ISP portal.
>>
>> When we replied as to why, we were told to not open another ticket. They aren't interested in conversation.
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail mobile
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> On 30 Mar 2021, 6:53 am, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've had others at Google specifically say that portal should be used for that purpose, so maybe they need to make sure right and left hands know what the other is doing.
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> Midwest-IX
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> To: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
>>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:52:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation
>>>
>>> https://isp.google.com
>>>
>>> I signed up for an account there and they said:
>>>
>>> "Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our partners of GGC, PNI or IX programs.
>>>
>>> The access to portal is granted on request only to our partners."
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with geolocation on the ISP portal.
>>>>
>>>> unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a properly formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and produce proper results for you.
>>>> you do have to add that in your isp portal:
>>>> tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation
>>>> and /register feed/ button on that page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your RFC8805 format geolocation feed...
>>>>>> these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better for folks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who scrape out our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
>>>>>> https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -chris
>>>>>> volunteer noc persona
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael K. Spears
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 727.656.3347
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
>>>>>>> To: Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
>>>>>>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it near the Google section of our geolocation page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Midwest-IX
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To: nanog@nanog.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Google IP Geolocation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael K. Spears

The portal account isn't even the be all and end all of fixing this, we're telling google where our endpoints are explicitly with a geofeed, The portal says the clients are in the right location and for some reason it's still decided some of our IPs are on the other side of the world.

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021, at 6:09 PM, Jared Mauch wrote:
> I've had a similar issue in the past trying to get ready to peer with
> them. I wanted portal access to look at things. I may yet post a
> geofeed file just because.
>
> (I was also rejected a portal account, didn't escalate to friends at
> google because I know my traffic is under a gig for now).
>
> - Jared
>
> Ps: Akamai can take geofeed if you have issues
>
> Sent from my TI-99/4a
>
> > On Apr 10, 2021, at 4:57 AM, Laura Smith via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?Yup. I've had this problem with Google for two years now.
> >
> > "We're Google. We know better than you. We're not interested in discussion. And no, you can't have access to the ISP portal you silly little person" ...... is the summary of my experience.
> >
> > And all this is despite my network peering with Google over a major IXP. They *STILL* can't get the right geolocation despite having a direct peering session with us over the exchange !
> >
> > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> >
> > ??????? Original Message ???????
> >> On Monday, 29 March 2021 21:12, Troy Kelly via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> We've also been denied access to the ISP portal.
> >>
> >> When we replied as to why, we were told to not open another ticket. They aren't interested in conversation.
> >>
> >> Sent from ProtonMail mobile
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >>> On 30 Mar 2021, 6:53 am, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I've had others at Google specifically say that portal should be used for that purpose, so maybe they need to make sure right and left hands know what the other is doing.
> >>>
> >>> -----
> >>> Mike Hammett
> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>>
> >>> Midwest-IX
> >>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
> >>>
> >>> From: "Josh Luthman" <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> >>> To: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
> >>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> >>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:52:48 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation
> >>>
> >>> https://isp.google.com
> >>>
> >>> I signed up for an account there and they said:
> >>>
> >>> "Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our partners of GGC, PNI or IX programs.
> >>>
> >>> The access to portal is granted on request only to our partners."
> >>>
> >>> Josh Luthman
> >>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>> Suite 1337
> >>> Troy, OH 45373
> >>>
> >>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with geolocation on the ISP portal.
> >>>>
> >>>> unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a properly formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and produce proper results for you.
> >>>> you do have to add that in your isp portal:
> >>>> tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation
> >>>> and /register feed/ button on that page.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Josh Luthman
> >>>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>>>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>>>> Suite 1337
> >>>>> Troy, OH 45373
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your RFC8805 format geolocation feed...
> >>>>>> these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better for folks.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who scrape out our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
> >>>>>> https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -chris
> >>>>>> volunteer noc persona
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link…
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Michael K. Spears
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 727.656.3347
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
> >>>>>>> To: Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
> >>>>>>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it near the Google section of our geolocation page.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mike Hammett
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Midwest-IX
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: "Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> To: nanog@nanog.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Google IP Geolocation
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Michael K. Spears
>
>

Does nothing. Does it require permitting the unfettered execution of arbitrary untrusted and untrustworthy code perchance?

--
Be decisive. Make a decision, right or wrong. The road of life is paved with flat squirrels who could not make a decision.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+kmedcalf=dessus.com@nanog.org> On Behalf Of
>William Guo
>Sent: Saturday, 10 April, 2021 02:49
>To: MunFai Lee <munfai@bubblenut.sg>
>Cc: NANOG Mailing List <nanog@nanog.org>
>Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation
>
>Do you mind trying https://ipinsight.io/ and see if they're correct
>locations (we're 100% confident)?
>
>And see if anyone from Google could have a try on our data to help its
>users.
>
>On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 8:28 AM MunFai Lee <munfai@bubblenut.sg
><mailto:munfai@bubblenut.sg> > wrote:
>
>
> We're also having similar issues - Google is detecting our Singapore
>IP range as coming from HK, and our HK Ip range as coming from Vietnam
>
> Just applied for access to Google's ISP portal - let's see what
>happens.
>
> If anyone else have any more ideas how to get Google to fix this,
>please do share - my users are getting fed up!
>
>________________________________
>
> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+munfai=bubblenut.sg@nanog.org
><mailto:bubblenut.sg@nanog.org> > on behalf of Benjamin Hatton
><bhatton@htva.net <mailto:bhatton@htva.net> >
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 9:47 PM
> Cc: NANOG Mailing List <nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> >
> Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation
>
> Just as another viewpoint on this.
>
> We do not peer or have GGC Cache servers, but I put in a request for
>a portal account after seeing this thread, and it was approved in less
>than 24h, so YMMV.
>
> The only thing I can think of that is different, is that we do move
>enough traffic for Google to have us flagged as 'Your traffic levels
>qualify for Google Peering' (~2.5Gbps) and are an eyeball network.
>
>
> Ben Hatton
>
> Network Engineer | Haefele Connect
>
> d:(607)589-8000 | ben@haefeleconnect.com
><mailto:ben@haefeleconnect.com>
>
>
> <https://www.htva.net>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 9:15 AM Troy Kelly via NANOG
><nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> > wrote:
>
>
> We've also been denied access to the ISP portal.
>
> When we replied as to why, we were told to not open another
>ticket. They aren't interested in conversation.
>
>
> Sent from ProtonMail mobile
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> On 30 Mar 2021, 6:53 am, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net
><mailto:nanog@ics-il.net> > wrote:
>
>
> I've had others at Google specifically say that portal
>should be used for that purpose, so maybe they need to make sure right
>and left hands know what the other is doing.
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>
>________________________________
>
> From: "Josh Luthman" <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com
><mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
> To: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com
><mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com> >
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:52:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation
>
>
> https://isp.google.com
>
>
> I signed up for an account there and they said:
>
> "Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our
>partners of GGC, PNI or IX programs.
>
> The access to portal is granted on request only to our
>partners."
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow
><morrowc.lists@gmail.com <mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman
><josh@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
>wrote:
>
>
> Google ISP specifically told me they didn't
>want to do deal with geolocation on the ISP portal.
>
>
>
>
> unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if
>you point at a properly formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and
>produce proper results for you.
> you do have to add that in your isp portal:
> tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP
>geolocation
> and /register feed/ button on that page.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher
>Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com <mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
> As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place
>to put a link to your RFC8805 format geolocation feed...
> these are scraped out 'regularly' and help
>keep things oriented better for folks.
>
> the ietf noc folk use this method to tell
>google (and other folk who scrape out our data) where meetings are before
>the meetings get there:
> https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv
>
> -chris
> volunteer noc persona
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K.
>Spears <michael@spears.io <mailto:michael@spears.io> > wrote:
>
>
> Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google
>ISP portal signup, but it definitely seems semi-complicated in a way,
>notably finding the link…
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michael K. Spears
>
> 727.656.3347
>
>
>
> From: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net
><mailto:nanog@ics-il.net> >
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
> To: Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io
><mailto:michael@spears.io> >
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation
>
>
>
> We're working on a video to show people how to
>sign up for the ISP portal and get to that part of the portal once signed
>up. We'll drop a link to it near the Google section of our geolocation
>page.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>
> From: "Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io
><mailto:michael@spears.io> >
> To: nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
> Subject: Google IP Geolocation
>
> Anyone have a good contact at Google who can
>help with IP geolocation? I have a /24 where anything related to Google
>is in the wrong language.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michael K. Spears
>
>
>

I was not sure what a TI-99/4a is. I thought it's a new kind of phone.

Lol

You got me!

Jean

-----Original Message-----
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+jean=ddostest.me@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Jared Mauch
Sent: April 10, 2021 7:10 PM
To: Laura Smith <n5d9xq3ti233xiyif2vp@protonmail.ch>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation

I've had a similar issue in the past trying to get ready to peer with them. I wanted portal access to look at things. I may yet post a geofeed file just because.

(I was also rejected a portal account, didn't escalate to friends at google because I know my traffic is under a gig for now).

- Jared

Ps: Akamai can take geofeed if you have issues

Sent from my TI-99/4a

> On Apr 10, 2021, at 4:57 AM, Laura Smith via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
>
> ?Yup. I've had this problem with Google for two years now.
>
> "We're Google. We know better than you. We're not interested in discussion. And no, you can't have access to the ISP portal you silly little person" ...... is the summary of my experience.
>
> And all this is despite my network peering with Google over a major IXP. They *STILL* can't get the right geolocation despite having a direct peering session with us over the exchange !
>
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>
> ??????? Original Message ???????
>> On Monday, 29 March 2021 21:12, Troy Kelly via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
>>
>> We've also been denied access to the ISP portal.
>>
>> When we replied as to why, we were told to not open another ticket. They aren't interested in conversation.
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail mobile
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> On 30 Mar 2021, 6:53 am, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've had others at Google specifically say that portal should be used for that purpose, so maybe they need to make sure right and left hands know what the other is doing.
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> Midwest-IX
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> To: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
>>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:52:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation
>>>
>>> https://isp.google.com
>>>
>>> I signed up for an account there and they said:
>>>
>>> "Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our partners of GGC, PNI or IX programs.
>>>
>>> The access to portal is granted on request only to our partners."
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with geolocation on the ISP portal.
>>>>
>>>> unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a properly formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and produce proper results for you.
>>>> you do have to add that in your isp portal:
>>>> tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation and /register
>>>> feed/ button on that page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your RFC8805 format geolocation feed...
>>>>>> these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better for folks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who scrape out our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
>>>>>> https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -chris
>>>>>> volunteer noc persona
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup,
>>>>>>> but it definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably
>>>>>>> finding the link…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael K. Spears
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 727.656.3347
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
>>>>>>> To: Michael K. Spears <michael@spears.io>
>>>>>>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it near the Google section of our geolocation page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Midwest-IX
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "Michael K. Spears" <michael@spears.io>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To: nanog@nanog.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Google IP Geolocation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael K. Spears

The issues that others had earlier this month just hit us this morning.

Users in Israel (132.74.0.0/15) trying to access Google.com or
Youtube.com appear as coming from Iceland (see screenshot).

Change happened overnight.  Someone internally in Google's geo-location
group typo'ed Israel as Iceland.

We have GGC access and Google ISP Portal access but why should we have
to change the geolocation which worked well since forever just because
someone internally messed up?


Regards,

Hank

On 22/04/2021 11:36, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
> The issues that others had earlier this month just hit us this morning.
>
> Users in Israel (132.74.0.0/15) trying to access Google.com or
> Youtube.com appear as coming from Iceland (see screenshot).
>
> Change happened overnight.  Someone internally in Google's geo-location
> group typo'ed Israel as Iceland.
>
> We have GGC access and Google ISP Portal access but why should we have
> to change the geolocation which worked well since forever just because
> someone internally messed up?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Hank
>
>

Now I am hearing that other universities in Israel have seen this issue
since as early as April 4.

-Hank