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Re: A letter from the CEO [ In reply to ]
I eagerly await a more substantive response. This is from a position of inquiry, not a position of combat. I'm new to the world of hardware that has those capabilities, so if there's something better, I'm all for hearing about it.




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Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

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From: "Mark Tinka" <mark.tinka@seacom.com>
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:35:57 AM
Subject: Re: A letter from the CEO




On 11/23/20 14:40, Mike Hammett wrote:




I've been looking at some deployments in areas with sketchy political forces and I was looking to use MACsec.



How underwhelming :-)...

Mark.
Re: A letter from the CEO [ In reply to ]
I am impressed that you stepped up, admitted the mistake, and apologized. Thank you for taking responsibility.

Anyone reading this who can say they never made a mistake can continue to criticize you. As I am about as far from that standard as one can be, I will consider this penance enough for your first mistake.

Fair warning: If you email nanog-l multiple times “by mistake”, that will not be so easily overlooked. Whether in error or not, multiple “mistakes” become a problem. Remember Grey’s law, "sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice” (or the similar Heinlein’s law, or Hanlon’s razor, etc.). Perhaps you should spend some extra time verifying your list hygiene?

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Re: A letter from the CEO [ In reply to ]
On 11/23/20 15:50, Mike Hammett wrote:

> I eagerly await a more substantive response. This is from a position
> of inquiry, not a position of combat. I'm new to the world of hardware
> that has those capabilities, so if there's something better, I'm all
> for hearing about it.

What I meant was MACSec would also be my go-to, and doesn't necessarily
scream "cutting edge" :-).

Mark.
Re: A letter from the CEO [ In reply to ]
Ah, okay. All good!




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Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

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From: "Mark Tinka" <mark.tinka@seacom.com>
To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 8:17:58 AM
Subject: Re: A letter from the CEO




On 11/23/20 15:50, Mike Hammett wrote:




I eagerly await a more substantive response. This is from a position of inquiry, not a position of combat. I'm new to the world of hardware that has those capabilities, so if there's something better, I'm all for hearing about it.


What I meant was MACSec would also be my go-to, and doesn't necessarily scream "cutting edge" :-).

Mark.
Re: A letter from the CEO [ In reply to ]
> On Nov 23, 2020, at 12:35 AM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>
>> 8tbps (8 terrabits per second).

Terrabits? That’s a new one to me. Would that be akin to an “earthbit” or something like that?


-Andy
Re: A letter from the CEO [ In reply to ]
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 10:22 AM Andy Ringsmuth <andy@andyring.com> wrote:
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> > On Nov 23, 2020, at 12:35 AM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
> >
> >> 8tbps (8 terrabits per second).
>
> Terrabits? That’s a new one to me. Would that be akin to an “earthbit” or something like that?

They are better than terrorbits, which is what happen when anyone in
the family says "My Internet is broken, can you fix it?"

W

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>
> -Andy



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This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
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Re: A letter from the CEO [ In reply to ]
"Terrorbits" sounds like a 3 year old unplugging a router - over and over
until which point it then had to be relocated to a top shelf with a UPS.
Telling this from a friend's experience, not my own. Promise.

- Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.scott@gmail.com


On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 11:09 AM Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 10:22 AM Andy Ringsmuth <andy@andyring.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 23, 2020, at 12:35 AM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> 8tbps (8 terrabits per second).
> >
> > Terrabits? That’s a new one to me. Would that be akin to an “earthbit”
> or something like that?
>
> They are better than terrorbits, which is what happen when anyone in
> the family says "My Internet is broken, can you fix it?"
>
> W
>
> >
> >
> > -Andy
>
>
>
> --
> I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad
> idea in the first place.
> This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
> regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
> of pants.
> ---maf
>
Re: A letter from the CEO [ In reply to ]
On 11/23/20 18:14, Thomas Scott wrote:

> "Terrorbits" sounds like a 3 year old unplugging a router - over and over

Because of dead wi-fi, or just for giggles :-)?

Mark.
Re: A letter from the CEO [ In reply to ]
Warren Kumari wrote on 23/11/2020 16:05:
> They are better than terrorbits, which is what happen when anyone in
> the family says "My Internet is broken, can you fix it?"

best to approach incidents like this with gigglebits, e.g. the sort of
response that accompanies replies like "you did WHAT?? AGAIN??"

Nick
Re: A letter from the CEO [ In reply to ]
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 8:21 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.com> wrote:

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>
> On 11/23/20 18:14, Thomas Scott wrote:
>
> "Terrorbits" sounds like a 3 year old unplugging a router - over and over
>
>
> Because of dead wi-fi, or just for giggles :-)?
>
> Mark.
>

Pets. I'm pretty sure the cat was the culprit for a tech call last week,
fortunately resolvable over the phone.

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Re: [Spam]Re: A letter from the CEO [ In reply to ]
Hundred Meg, Ten Gig, One erm...?
Maybe harder to create vernacular for.

> On 2020-11-23, at 14:35, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.com> wrote:
> […]
>
> Given that Tbps is still relatively uncommon in many operator networks, it's not uncommon to hear people say Megabit and Gigabit with no problem, but say Terabyte when referring to Terabit, as well.

Grüße, Carsten

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