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> On Sep 14, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com> wrote:
>
> Does anybody have a contact who works at Phoenix-IX? I have been attempting to reach somebody there for a while now without any luck.
>
> Attempts to each out to peering@phoenix-ix.net as well as Ninja-IX have been without any luck. We also tried reaching out to Paul Emmons via LinkedIn mail and never received a response.

Paul is the correct person.

-Bill

Thank Bill! I've been trying to reach Paul for ages now, hopefully he pops back up again. We want to upgrade.

On an unrelated note, it looks like somebody has their ticket system subscribed to the list... Awesome.

> From: Dating Support <dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>
> Subject: [#WQV-291-95071]: Phoenix-IX Contact
> Date: September 14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT
> To: kgerry@outlook.com
> Reply-To: dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
>
> Kate Gerry,
>
> Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response confirming the receipt of your ticket. Our team will get back to you within 24 hours.


--
Kate


> On Sep 14, 2020, at 12:48, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody have a contact who works at Phoenix-IX? I have been attempting to reach somebody there for a while now without any luck.
>>
>> Attempts to each out to peering@phoenix-ix.net as well as Ninja-IX have been without any luck. We also tried reaching out to Paul Emmons via LinkedIn mail and never received a response.
>
> Paul is the correct person.
>
> -Bill
>

Just a heads-up, I never heard a word from anybody at Phoenix-IX.

Is there anybody still running the IX? Or is it just on autopilot? It'd be nice if anybody had some information on whatever happened to Paul. Hopefully he is okay!

--
Kate

> On Sep 14, 2020, at 13:33, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com> wrote:
>
> Thank Bill! I've been trying to reach Paul for ages now, hopefully he pops back up again. We want to upgrade.
>
> On an unrelated note, it looks like somebody has their ticket system subscribed to the list... Awesome.
>
>> From: Dating Support <dating.support@csvwebsupport.com <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>>
>> Subject: [#WQV-291-95071]: Phoenix-IX Contact
>> Date: September 14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT
>> To: kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>
>> Reply-To: dating.support@csvwebsupport.com <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>
>>
>> Kate Gerry,
>>
>> Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response confirming the receipt of your ticket. Our team will get back to you within 24 hours.
>
>
> --
> Kate
>
>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 12:48, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net <mailto:woody@pch.net>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anybody have a contact who works at Phoenix-IX? I have been attempting to reach somebody there for a while now without any luck.
>>>
>>> Attempts to each out to peering@phoenix-ix.net <mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net> as well as Ninja-IX have been without any luck. We also tried reaching out to Paul Emmons via LinkedIn mail and never received a response.
>>
>> Paul is the correct person.
>>
>> -Bill
>>
>

Paul's LinkedIn seems to show that he checked out in April. Let me know if you have any success reaching anyone there.




-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

----- Original Message -----

From: "Kate Gerry" <kgerry@outlook.com>
To: "Bill Woodcock" <woody@pch.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 5:44:42 PM
Subject: Re: Phoenix-IX Contact

Just a heads-up, I never heard a word from anybody at Phoenix-IX.


Is there anybody still running the IX? Or is it just on autopilot? It'd be nice if anybody had some information on whatever happened to Paul. Hopefully he is okay!


--
Kate





On Sep 14, 2020, at 13:33, Kate Gerry < kgerry@outlook.com > wrote:



Thank Bill! I've been trying to reach Paul for ages now, hopefully he pops back up again. We want to upgrade.


On an unrelated note, it looks like somebody has their ticket system subscribed to the list... Awesome.



<blockquote>

From: Dating Support < dating.support@csvwebsupport.com >

Subject: [#WQV-291-95071]: Phoenix-IX Contact

Date: September 14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT

To: kgerry@outlook.com

Reply-To: dating.support@csvwebsupport.com


Kate Gerry,

Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response confirming the receipt of your ticket. Our team will get back to you within 24 hours.





--
Kate




<blockquote>

On Sep 14, 2020, at 12:48, Bill Woodcock < woody@pch.net > wrote:






<blockquote>
On Sep 14, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry < kgerry@outlook.com > wrote:

Does anybody have a contact who works at Phoenix-IX? I have been attempting to reach somebody there for a while now without any luck.

Attempts to each out to peering@phoenix-ix.net as well as Ninja-IX have been without any luck. We also tried reaching out to Paul Emmons via LinkedIn mail and never received a response.

</blockquote>

Paul is the correct person.

-Bill


</blockquote>


</blockquote>

Is there anybody else even there? I thought that it was all Paul's show!

If I was able to (as in, had access to), I would offer to help/run with the IX. I may live in California, but it's a realistic car trip back and forth to Phoenix.

--
Kate

> On Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> Paul's LinkedIn seems to show that he checked out in April. Let me know if you have any success reaching anyone there.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Kate Gerry" <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>
> To: "Bill Woodcock" <woody@pch.net <mailto:woody@pch.net>>
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 5:44:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>
> Just a heads-up, I never heard a word from anybody at Phoenix-IX.
>
> Is there anybody still running the IX? Or is it just on autopilot? It'd be nice if anybody had some information on whatever happened to Paul. Hopefully he is okay!
>
> --
> Kate
>
> On Sep 14, 2020, at 13:33, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>> wrote:
>
> Thank Bill! I've been trying to reach Paul for ages now, hopefully he pops back up again. We want to upgrade.
>
> On an unrelated note, it looks like somebody has their ticket system subscribed to the list... Awesome.
>
> From: Dating Support <dating.support@csvwebsupport.com <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>>
> Subject: [#WQV-291-95071]: Phoenix-IX Contact
> Date: September 14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT
> To: kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>
> Reply-To: dating.support@csvwebsupport.com <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>
>
> Kate Gerry,
>
> Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response confirming the receipt of your ticket. Our team will get back to you within 24 hours.
>
> --
> Kate
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2020, at 12:48, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net <mailto:woody@pch.net>> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>> wrote:
>
> Does anybody have a contact who works at Phoenix-IX? I have been attempting to reach somebody there for a while now without any luck.
>
> Attempts to each out to peering@phoenix-ix.net <mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net> as well as Ninja-IX have been without any luck. We also tried reaching out to Paul Emmons via LinkedIn mail and never received a response.
>
> Paul is the correct person.
>
> -Bill

Is it time for a new IX in Phoenix?

From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+walt=wollny.org@nanog.org> on behalf of Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com>
Date: Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:07 PM
To: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Phoenix-IX Contact

Is there anybody else even there? I thought that it was all Paul's show!

If I was able to (as in, had access to), I would offer to help/run with the IX. I may live in California, but it's a realistic car trip back and forth to Phoenix.

--
Kate


On Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>> wrote:

Paul's LinkedIn seems to show that he checked out in April. Let me know if you have any success reaching anyone there.


-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[Image removed by sender.]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[Image removed by sender.]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[Image removed by sender.]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
________________________________
From: "Kate Gerry" <kgerry@outlook.com<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>
To: "Bill Woodcock" <woody@pch.net<mailto:woody@pch.net>>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 5:44:42 PM
Subject: Re: Phoenix-IX Contact

Just a heads-up, I never heard a word from anybody at Phoenix-IX.

Is there anybody still running the IX? Or is it just on autopilot? It'd be nice if anybody had some information on whatever happened to Paul. Hopefully he is okay!

--
Kate

On Sep 14, 2020, at 13:33, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>> wrote:

Thank Bill! I've been trying to reach Paul for ages now, hopefully he pops back up again. We want to upgrade.

On an unrelated note, it looks like somebody has their ticket system subscribed to the list... Awesome.

From: Dating Support <dating.support@csvwebsupport.com<mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>>
Subject: [#WQV-291-95071]: Phoenix-IX Contact
Date: September 14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT
To: kgerry@outlook.com<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>
Reply-To: dating.support@csvwebsupport.com<mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>

Kate Gerry,

Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response confirming the receipt of your ticket. Our team will get back to you within 24 hours.

--
Kate


On Sep 14, 2020, at 12:48, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net<mailto:woody@pch.net>> wrote:


On Sep 14, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>> wrote:

Does anybody have a contact who works at Phoenix-IX? I have been attempting to reach somebody there for a while now without any luck.

Attempts to each out to peering@phoenix-ix.net<mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net> as well as Ninja-IX have been without any luck. We also tried reaching out to Paul Emmons via LinkedIn mail and never received a response.

Paul is the correct person.

-Bill

Always a good time for network operators to consider the risks of having
any one person as a single point of failure for something kind of important:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor

Disaster recovery and continuity of business plans should always include
the concept of what if some percentage of the key team members were to be
suddenly unavailable permanently (the Malaysian airline incident, for
example).



On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com> wrote:

> Is there anybody else even there? I thought that it was all Paul's show!
>
> If I was able to (as in, had access to), I would offer to help/run with
> the IX. I may live in California, but it's a realistic car trip back and
> forth to Phoenix.
>
> --
> Kate
>
> On Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> Paul's LinkedIn seems to show that he checked out in April. Let me know if
> you have any success reaching anyone there.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Kate Gerry" <kgerry@outlook.com>
> *To: *"Bill Woodcock" <woody@pch.net>
> *Cc: *nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Monday, November 9, 2020 5:44:42 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>
> Just a heads-up, I never heard a word from anybody at Phoenix-IX.
>
> Is there anybody still running the IX? Or is it just on autopilot? It'd be
> nice if anybody had some information on whatever happened to Paul.
> Hopefully he is okay!
>
> --
> Kate
>
> On Sep 14, 2020, at 13:33, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com> wrote:
>
> Thank Bill! I've been trying to reach Paul for ages now, hopefully he pops
> back up again. We want to upgrade.
>
> On an unrelated note, it looks like somebody has their ticket system
> subscribed to the list... Awesome.
>
> *From: *Dating Support <dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>
> *Subject: **[#WQV-291-95071]: Phoenix-IX Contact*
> *Date: *September 14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT
> *To: *kgerry@outlook.com
> *Reply-To: *dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
>
> Kate Gerry,
>
> Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response confirming the
> receipt of your ticket. Our team will get back to you within 24 hours.
>
>
> --
> Kate
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2020, at 12:48, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com> wrote:
>
> Does anybody have a contact who works at Phoenix-IX? I have been
> attempting to reach somebody there for a while now without any luck.
>
> Attempts to each out to peering@phoenix-ix.net as well as Ninja-IX have
> been without any luck. We also tried reaching out to Paul Emmons via
> LinkedIn mail and never received a response.
>
>
> Paul is the correct person.
>
> -Bill
>
>
>

I presume that the biggest telcos, cable MSOs and such in the Phoenix
region already operate PNIs with each other, so the real question would be
what population of ISPs and how much traffic would go across an IX if you
subtract the top-six largest last mile service providers.



On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 5:28 AM Walt <walt@wollny.org> wrote:

> Is it time for a new IX in Phoenix?
>
>
>
> *From: *NANOG <nanog-bounces+walt=wollny.org@nanog.org> on behalf of Kate
> Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com>
> *Date: *Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:07 PM
> *To: *Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
> *Cc: *"nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
> *Subject: *Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>
>
>
> Is there anybody else even there? I thought that it was all Paul's show!
>
>
>
> If I was able to (as in, had access to), I would offer to help/run with
> the IX. I may live in California, but it's a realistic car trip back and
> forth to Phoenix.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Kate
>
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Paul's LinkedIn seems to show that he checked out in April. Let me know if
> you have any success reaching anyone there.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image:
> Image removed by sender.]
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image:
> Image removed by sender.]
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image:
> Image removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[image:
> Image removed by sender.]
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[image: Image
> removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[image: Image removed by
> sender.] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Kate Gerry" <kgerry@outlook.com>
> *To: *"Bill Woodcock" <woody@pch.net>
> *Cc: *nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Monday, November 9, 2020 5:44:42 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>
> Just a heads-up, I never heard a word from anybody at Phoenix-IX.
>
>
>
> Is there anybody still running the IX? Or is it just on autopilot? It'd be
> nice if anybody had some information on whatever happened to Paul.
> Hopefully he is okay!
>
>
>
> --
>
> Kate
>
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2020, at 13:33, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Thank Bill! I've been trying to reach Paul for ages now, hopefully he pops
> back up again. We want to upgrade.
>
>
>
> On an unrelated note, it looks like somebody has their ticket system
> subscribed to the list... Awesome.
>
>
>
> *From: *Dating Support <dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>
>
> *Subject: [#WQV-291-95071]: Phoenix-IX Contact*
>
> *Date: *September 14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT
>
> *To: *kgerry@outlook.com
>
> *Reply-To: *dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
>
>
>
> Kate Gerry,
>
> Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response confirming the
> receipt of your ticket. Our team will get back to you within 24 hours.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Kate
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2020, at 12:48, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com> wrote:
>
> Does anybody have a contact who works at Phoenix-IX? I have been
> attempting to reach somebody there for a while now without any luck.
>
> Attempts to each out to peering@phoenix-ix.net as well as Ninja-IX have
> been without any luck. We also tried reaching out to Paul Emmons via
> LinkedIn mail and never received a response.
>
>
> Paul is the correct person.
>
> -Bill
>
>
>

How is the IX still running? Surely someone must be paying colo rent?

On 11/10/20 9:03 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
> Always a good time for network operators to consider the risks of having
> any one person as a single point of failure for something kind of important:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor
>
> Disaster recovery and continuity of business plans should always include
> the concept of what if some percentage of the key team members were to
> be suddenly unavailable permanently (the Malaysian airline incident, for
> example).
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com
> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>> wrote:
>
> Is there anybody else even there? I thought that it was all Paul's show!
>
> If I was able to (as in, had access to), I would offer to help/run
> with the IX. I may live in California, but it's a realistic car trip
> back and forth to Phoenix.
>
> --
> Kate
>
>> On Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net
>> <mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Paul's LinkedIn seems to show that he checked out in April. Let me
>> know if you have any success reaching anyone there.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp><https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:*"Kate Gerry" <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>
>> *To:*"Bill Woodcock" <woody@pch.net <mailto:woody@pch.net>>
>> *Cc:*nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
>> *Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 5:44:42 PM
>> *Subject:*Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>>
>> Just a heads-up, I never heard a word from anybody at Phoenix-IX.
>>
>> Is there anybody still running the IX? Or is it just on autopilot?
>> It'd be nice if anybody had some information on whatever happened
>> to Paul. Hopefully he is okay!
>>
>> --
>> Kate
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 13:33, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com
>> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank Bill! I've been trying to reach Paul for ages now,
>> hopefully he pops back up again. We want to upgrade.
>>
>> On an unrelated note, it looks like somebody has their ticket
>> system subscribed to the list... Awesome.
>>
>> *From: *Dating Support <dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
>> <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>>
>> *Subject: **[#WQV-291-95071]: Phoenix-IX Contact*
>> *Date: *September 14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT
>> *To: *kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>
>> *Reply-To: *dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
>> <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>
>>
>> Kate Gerry,
>>
>> Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response
>> confirming the receipt of your ticket. Our team will get
>> back to you within 24 hours.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kate
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 12:48, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net
>> <mailto:woody@pch.net>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry
>> <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody have a contact who works at Phoenix-IX? I
>> have been attempting to reach somebody there for a
>> while now without any luck.
>>
>> Attempts to each out topeering@phoenix-ix.net
>> <mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net>as well as Ninja-IX
>> have been without any luck. We also tried reaching out
>> to Paul Emmons via LinkedIn mail and never received a
>> response.
>>
>>
>> Paul is the correct person.
>>
>>                                -Bill
>

Matt,

I am running on a huge assumption here, but I think Phoenix-IX runs on donated infrastructure. From what I recall, there was only an NRC to join Phoenix-IX.

And in regards to Walt's suggestion, it looks like HE already started one with Stellar Technologies. https://48ix.net <https://48ix.net/> but it is only in a single facility. So until that IX grows, both in peers and footprint, I'm stuck on Phoenix-IX.

I have wondered what happens if a participant storms the IX. Will somebody appear? Because attempts to reach their NOC/peering handles has resulted in a lack of response.

I also wonder how the other Ninja-IX exchanges are running, I haven't heard anything about them, is there the same lack of communication? Or do those have a local staff?

—
Kate

> On Nov 10, 2020, at 06:15, Matt Hoppes <mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> How is the IX still running? Surely someone must be paying colo rent?
>
> On 11/10/20 9:03 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>> Always a good time for network operators to consider the risks of having any one person as a single point of failure for something kind of important:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor
>> Disaster recovery and continuity of business plans should always include the concept of what if some percentage of the key team members were to be suddenly unavailable permanently (the Malaysian airline incident, for example).
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> Is there anybody else even there? I thought that it was all Paul's show!
>> If I was able to (as in, had access to), I would offer to help/run
>> with the IX. I may live in California, but it's a realistic car trip
>> back and forth to Phoenix.
>> --
>> Kate
>>> On Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net
>>> <mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Paul's LinkedIn seems to show that he checked out in April. Let me
>>> know if you have any success reaching anyone there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp><https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:*"Kate Gerry" <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>
>>> *To:*"Bill Woodcock" <woody@pch.net <mailto:woody@pch.net>>
>>> *Cc:*nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
>>> *Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 5:44:42 PM
>>> *Subject:*Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>>>
>>> Just a heads-up, I never heard a word from anybody at Phoenix-IX.
>>>
>>> Is there anybody still running the IX? Or is it just on autopilot?
>>> It'd be nice if anybody had some information on whatever happened
>>> to Paul. Hopefully he is okay!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kate
>>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 13:33, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com
>>> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank Bill! I've been trying to reach Paul for ages now,
>>> hopefully he pops back up again. We want to upgrade.
>>>
>>> On an unrelated note, it looks like somebody has their ticket
>>> system subscribed to the list... Awesome.
>>>
>>> *From: *Dating Support <dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
>>> <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>>
>>> *Subject: **[#WQV-291-95071]: Phoenix-IX Contact*
>>> *Date: *September 14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT
>>> *To: *kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
>>> <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>
>>>
>>> Kate Gerry,
>>>
>>> Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response
>>> confirming the receipt of your ticket. Our team will get
>>> back to you within 24 hours.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kate
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 12:48, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net
>>> <mailto:woody@pch.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry
>>> <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anybody have a contact who works at Phoenix-IX? I
>>> have been attempting to reach somebody there for a
>>> while now without any luck.
>>>
>>> Attempts to each out topeering@phoenix-ix.net
>>> <mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net>as well as Ninja-IX
>>> have been without any luck. We also tried reaching out
>>> to Paul Emmons via LinkedIn mail and never received a
>>> response.
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul is the correct person.
>>>
>>> -Bill

> On Nov 10, 2020, at 5:05 PM, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com> wrote:
> I am running on a huge assumption here, but I think Phoenix-IX runs on donated infrastructure.

I believe that’s the case.

> I also wonder how the other Ninja-IX exchanges are running, I haven't heard anything about them, is there the same lack of communication? Or do those have a local staff?

I just asked the other PCH staff, and the last direct contact we had with Paul was in August of 2019. The last indirect contact was being cc’d on a work ticket that he originated in March of this year.

-Bill

On 11/10/20 05:27, Walt wrote:
> Is it time for a new IX in Phoenix?

We're at Iron Mountain there and would welcome one. There was AZ-IX a
while back but it's been essentially defunct for some time.

--
Jay Hennigan - jay@west.net
Network Engineering - CCIE #7880
503 897-8550 - WB6RDV

Community IX is doing really good job with Running FL-IX. Phoenix would be
interesting indeed. I would love them to consider expanding

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 10:04 Jay Hennigan <jay@west.net> wrote:

> On 11/10/20 05:27, Walt wrote:
> > Is it time for a new IX in Phoenix?
>
> We're at Iron Mountain there and would welcome one. There was AZ-IX a
> while back but it's been essentially defunct for some time.
>
> --
> Jay Hennigan - jay@west.net
> Network Engineering - CCIE #7880
> 503 897-8550 - WB6RDV
>
--
Mehmet
+1-424-298-1903

I tried to get a link to PHX-IX for months. Never heard back from them, went with Digital Realty Phoenix


From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+mjosephson=inap.com@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Kate Gerry
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 11:06 AM
To: Matt Hoppes <mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org list <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Phoenix-IX Contact

Matt,

I am running on a huge assumption here, but I think Phoenix-IX runs on donated infrastructure. From what I recall, there was only an NRC to join Phoenix-IX.

And in regards to Walt's suggestion, it looks like HE already started one with Stellar Technologies. https://48ix.net but it is only in a single facility. So until that IX grows, both in peers and footprint, I'm stuck on Phoenix-IX.

I have wondered what happens if a participant storms the IX. Will somebody appear? Because attempts to reach their NOC/peering handles has resulted in a lack of response.

I also wonder how the other Ninja-IX exchanges are running, I haven't heard anything about them, is there the same lack of communication? Or do those have a local staff?

—
Kate


On Nov 10, 2020, at 06:15, Matt Hoppes <mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

How is the IX still running? Surely someone must be paying colo rent?

On 11/10/20 9:03 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

Always a good time for network operators to consider the risks of having any one person as a single point of failure for something kind of important:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor
Disaster recovery and continuity of business plans should always include the concept of what if some percentage of the key team members were to be suddenly unavailable permanently (the Malaysian airline incident, for example).
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>> wrote:
Is there anybody else even there? I thought that it was all Paul's show!
If I was able to (as in, had access to), I would offer to help/run
with the IX. I may live in California, but it's a realistic car trip
back and forth to Phoenix.
--
Kate

On Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net
<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net%0b   %3cmailto:nanog@ics-il.net>>> wrote:

Paul's LinkedIn seems to show that he checked out in April. Let me
know if you have any success reaching anyone there.



-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp><https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:*"Kate Gerry" <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>>
*To:*"Bill Woodcock" <woody@pch.net <mailto:woody@pch.net<mailto:woody@pch.net%20%3cmailto:woody@pch.net>>>
*Cc:*nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
*Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 5:44:42 PM
*Subject:*Re: Phoenix-IX Contact

Just a heads-up, I never heard a word from anybody at Phoenix-IX.

Is there anybody still running the IX? Or is it just on autopilot?
It'd be nice if anybody had some information on whatever happened
to Paul. Hopefully he is okay!

--
Kate

On Sep 14, 2020, at 13:33, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com
<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%0b       %3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>> wrote:

Thank Bill! I've been trying to reach Paul for ages now,
hopefully he pops back up again. We want to upgrade.

On an unrelated note, it looks like somebody has their ticket
system subscribed to the list... Awesome.

*From: *Dating Support <dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
<mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com<mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com%0b           %3cmailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>>>
*Subject: **[#WQV-291-95071]: Phoenix-IX Contact*
*Date: *September 14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT
*To: *kgerry@outlook.com<mailto:*kgerry@outlook.com> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>
*Reply-To: *dating.support@csvwebsupport.com<mailto:*dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>
<mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>

Kate Gerry,

Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response
confirming the receipt of your ticket. Our team will get
back to you within 24 hours.


--
Kate


On Sep 14, 2020, at 12:48, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net
<mailto:woody@pch.net<mailto:woody@pch.net%0b           %3cmailto:woody@pch.net>>> wrote:



On Sep 14, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry
<kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>> wrote:

Does anybody have a contact who works at Phoenix-IX? I
have been attempting to reach somebody there for a
while now without any luck.

Attempts to each out topeering@phoenix-ix.net<mailto:topeering@phoenix-ix.net>
<mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net>as well as Ninja-IX
have been without any luck. We also tried reaching out
to Paul Emmons via LinkedIn mail and never received a
response.


Paul is the correct person.

-Bill

An update on my side, we reached out to PhoenixNAP, one of the Phoenix-IX's vendors.

PhoenixNAP reached out all of their contacts at Phoenix-IX and have received no response. They are in as much of the dark as the rest of us. I feel like I'm on the Ghost ship Phoenix-IX.

What I don't understand, is how somebody could abandon a project without passing it to another person or entity. This is extremely irresponsible.

—
Kate

> On Nov 12, 2020, at 05:11, Marcus Josephson <mjosephson@inap.com> wrote:
>
> I tried to get a link to PHX-IX for months. Never heard back from them, went with Digital Realty Phoenix
>
>
> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+mjosephson=inap.com@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Kate Gerry
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 11:06 AM
> To: Matt Hoppes <mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org list <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>
> Matt,
>
> I am running on a huge assumption here, but I think Phoenix-IX runs on donated infrastructure. From what I recall, there was only an NRC to join Phoenix-IX.
>
> And in regards to Walt's suggestion, it looks like HE already started one with Stellar Technologies. https://48ix.net <https://48ix.net/> but it is only in a single facility. So until that IX grows, both in peers and footprint, I'm stuck on Phoenix-IX.
>
> I have wondered what happens if a participant storms the IX. Will somebody appear? Because attempts to reach their NOC/peering handles has resulted in a lack of response.
>
> I also wonder how the other Ninja-IX exchanges are running, I haven't heard anything about them, is there the same lack of communication? Or do those have a local staff?
>
> —
> Kate
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 06:15, Matt Hoppes <mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net <mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
>
> How is the IX still running? Surely someone must be paying colo rent?
>
> On 11/10/20 9:03 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> Always a good time for network operators to consider the risks of having any one person as a single point of failure for something kind of important:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor>
> Disaster recovery and continuity of business plans should always include the concept of what if some percentage of the key team members were to be suddenly unavailable permanently (the Malaysian airline incident, for example).
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>> wrote:
> Is there anybody else even there? I thought that it was all Paul's show!
> If I was able to (as in, had access to), I would offer to help/run
> with the IX. I may live in California, but it's a realistic car trip
> back and forth to Phoenix.
> --
> Kate
>
> On Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net
>    <mailto:nanog@ics-il.net <mailto:nanog@ics-il.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:nanog@ics-il.net>>> wrote:
>
> Paul's LinkedIn seems to show that he checked out in April. Let me
> know if you have any success reaching anyone there.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/ <http://www.ics-il.com/>>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>><https://twitter.com/ICSIL <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/ <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>><https://twitter.com/mdwestix <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>><https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:*"Kate Gerry" <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>>
> *To:*"Bill Woodcock" <woody@pch.net <mailto:woody@pch.net <mailto:woody@pch.net%20%3cmailto:woody@pch.net>>>
> *Cc:*nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
> *Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 5:44:42 PM
> *Subject:*Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>
> Just a heads-up, I never heard a word from anybody at Phoenix-IX.
>
> Is there anybody still running the IX? Or is it just on autopilot?
> It'd be nice if anybody had some information on whatever happened
> to Paul. Hopefully he is okay!
>
> --
> Kate
>
> On Sep 14, 2020, at 13:33, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com
>        <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>> wrote:
>
> Thank Bill! I've been trying to reach Paul for ages now,
> hopefully he pops back up again. We want to upgrade.
>
> On an unrelated note, it looks like somebody has their ticket
> system subscribed to the list... Awesome.
>
> *From: *Dating Support <dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
>            <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>>>
> *Subject: **[#WQV-291-95071]: Phoenix-IX Contact*
> *Date: *September 14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT
> *To: *kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:*kgerry@outlook.com> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>
> *Reply-To: *dating.support@csvwebsupport.com <mailto:*dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>
> <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>>
>
> Kate Gerry,
>
> Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response
> confirming the receipt of your ticket. Our team will get
> back to you within 24 hours.
>
>
> --
> Kate
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2020, at 12:48, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net
>            <mailto:woody@pch.net <mailto:woody@pch.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:woody@pch.net>>> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry
> <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>> wrote:
>
> Does anybody have a contact who works at Phoenix-IX? I
> have been attempting to reach somebody there for a
> while now without any luck.
>
> Attempts to each out topeering@phoenix-ix.net <mailto:topeering@phoenix-ix.net>
> <mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net <mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net>>as well as Ninja-IX
> have been without any luck. We also tried reaching out
> to Paul Emmons via LinkedIn mail and never received a
> response.
>
>
> Paul is the correct person.
>
> -Bill

While I agree it is objectively irresponsible to abandon a project without
passing it to another, I think that possibly in this situation we don't
know all the details?

2020 has been a difficult year for everyone. Perhaps Paul (and whomever
else may be responsible for Phoenix-IX) were subject to things this year
beyond their control which led them to be unable to work on the project and
unable to transfer it, either.. unfortunate, yes.. but not malicious surely.

If Paul _is_ reading these messages.. I think support is the best path
forward.. If there are things that can be done to assist/take over the
IX... maybe that would help (as you, Kate, had offered towards the
beginning of this all). Though of course, the first step is _reaching_
them... Maybe this can be turned into a "win" for everyone. So:
Paul/Phoenix-IX -- let the NANOG community know how they/we can help.

--
Neil

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 2:05 PM Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com> wrote:

> An update on my side, we reached out to PhoenixNAP, one of the
> Phoenix-IX's vendors.
>
> PhoenixNAP reached out all of their contacts at Phoenix-IX and have
> received no response. They are in as much of the dark as the rest of us. I
> feel like I'm on the Ghost ship Phoenix-IX.
>
> What I don't understand, is how somebody could abandon a project without
> passing it to another person or entity. This is extremely irresponsible.
>
> —
> Kate
>
> On Nov 12, 2020, at 05:11, Marcus Josephson <mjosephson@inap.com> wrote:
>
> I tried to get a link to PHX-IX for months. Never heard back from them,
> went with Digital Realty Phoenix
>
>
> *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+mjosephson=inap.com@nanog.org> *On Behalf
> Of *Kate Gerry
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 11:06 AM
> *To:* Matt Hoppes <mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org list <nanog@nanog.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>
> Matt,
>
> I am running on a huge assumption here, but I think Phoenix-IX runs on
> donated infrastructure. From what I recall, there was only an NRC to join
> Phoenix-IX.
>
> And in regards to Walt's suggestion, it looks like HE already started one
> with Stellar Technologies. https://48ix.net but it is only in a single
> facility. So until that IX grows, both in peers and footprint, I'm stuck on
> Phoenix-IX.
>
> I have wondered what happens if a participant storms the IX. Will somebody
> appear? Because attempts to reach their NOC/peering handles has resulted in
> a lack of response.
>
> I also wonder how the other Ninja-IX exchanges are running, I haven't
> heard anything about them, is there the same lack of communication? Or do
> those have a local staff?
>
> —
> Kate
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 06:15, Matt Hoppes <mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
>
> How is the IX still running? Surely someone must be paying colo rent?
>
> On 11/10/20 9:03 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> Always a good time for network operators to consider the risks of having
> any one person as a single point of failure for something kind of important:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor
> Disaster recovery and continuity of business plans should always include
> the concept of what if some percentage of the key team members were to be
> suddenly unavailable permanently (the Malaysian airline incident, for
> example).
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com
> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>> wrote:
> Is there anybody else even there? I thought that it was all Paul's show!
> If I was able to (as in, had access to), I would offer to help/run
> with the IX. I may live in California, but it's a realistic car trip
> back and forth to Phoenix.
> --
> Kate
>
> On Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net
> <mailto:nanog@ics-il.net
> <nanog@ics-il.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:nanog@ics-il.net>>> wrote:
>
> Paul's LinkedIn seems to show that he checked out in April. Let me
> know if you have any success reaching anyone there.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><
> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><
> https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><
> https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp><
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:*"Kate Gerry" <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>
> *To:*"Bill Woodcock" <woody@pch.net <mailto:woody@pch.net>>
> *Cc:*nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org>>
> *Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 5:44:42 PM
> *Subject:*Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>
> Just a heads-up, I never heard a word from anybody at Phoenix-IX.
>
> Is there anybody still running the IX? Or is it just on autopilot?
> It'd be nice if anybody had some information on whatever happened
> to Paul. Hopefully he is okay!
>
> --
> Kate
>
> On Sep 14, 2020, at 13:33, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com
> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com
> <kgerry@outlook.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>>
> wrote:
>
> Thank Bill! I've been trying to reach Paul for ages now,
> hopefully he pops back up again. We want to upgrade.
>
> On an unrelated note, it looks like somebody has their ticket
> system subscribed to the list... Awesome.
>
> *From: *Dating Support <dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
> <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
> <dating.support@csvwebsupport.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>
> >>
> *Subject: **[#WQV-291-95071]: Phoenix-IX Contact*
> *Date: *September 14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT
> *To: *kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com
> <kgerry@outlook.com>>
> *Reply-To: *dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
> <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
> <dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>>
>
> Kate Gerry,
>
> Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response
> confirming the receipt of your ticket. Our team will get
> back to you within 24 hours.
>
>
> --
> Kate
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2020, at 12:48, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net
> <mailto:woody@pch.net
> <woody@pch.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:woody@pch.net>>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry
> <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>> wrote:
>
> Does anybody have a contact who works at Phoenix-IX? I
> have been attempting to reach somebody there for a
> while now without any luck.
>
> Attempts to each out topeering@phoenix-ix.net
> <mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net <peering@phoenix-ix.net>>as
> well as Ninja-IX
> have been without any luck. We also tried reaching out
> to Paul Emmons via LinkedIn mail and never received a
> response.
>
>
> Paul is the correct person.
>
> -Bill
>
>
>

Hello All!

I've been out of the loop here and but have some updates.

There was a change last spring and I moved on to other projects. But
that hasn't worked out for the IX.

I  have regained access to all of the elements, including the email and
voip.  Let me reach out to each of you offline in the coming days.

I have been able to reach out to a few locals that are willing to help
get the project back up to where it needs to be.

If I haven;t reached out to you in the next 48 hours or you have
something urgent, please reach out to me here (my personal email) or via
the Phoenix-IX Contacts

peering@phoenix-ix.net

+1 602 688-6414

~Paul Emmons
On 11/16/2020 12:23 PM, Neil Hanlon wrote:
> While I agree it is objectively irresponsible to abandon a project
> without passing it to another, I think that possibly in this situation
> we don't know all the details?
>
> 2020 has been a difficult year for everyone. Perhaps Paul (and
> whomever else may be responsible for Phoenix-IX) were subject to
> things this year beyond their control which led them to be unable to
> work on the project and unable to transfer it, either.. unfortunate,
> yes.. but not malicious surely.
>
> If Paul _is_ reading these messages.. I think support is the best path
> forward.. If there are things that can be done to assist/take over the
> IX... maybe that would help (as you, Kate, had offered towards the
> beginning of this all). Though of course, the first step is _reaching_
> them... Maybe this can be turned into a "win" for everyone. So:
> Paul/Phoenix-IX -- let the NANOG community know how they/we can help.
>
> --
> Neil
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 2:05 PM Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com
> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>> wrote:
>
> An update on my side, we reached out to PhoenixNAP, one of the
> Phoenix-IX's vendors.
>
> PhoenixNAP reached out all of their contacts at Phoenix-IX and
> have received no response. They are in as much of the dark as the
> rest of us. I feel like I'm on the Ghost ship Phoenix-IX.
>
> What I don't understand, is how somebody could abandon a project
> without passing it to another person or entity. This is extremely
> irresponsible.
>
> —
> Kate
>
>> On Nov 12, 2020, at 05:11, Marcus Josephson <mjosephson@inap.com
>> <mailto:mjosephson@inap.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I tried to get a link to PHX-IX for months. Never heard back from
>> them, went with Digital Realty Phoenix
>> *From:*NANOG <nanog-bounces+mjosephson=inap.com@nanog.org
>> <mailto:nanog-bounces+mjosephson=inap.com@nanog.org>>*On Behalf
>> Of*Kate Gerry
>> *Sent:*Tuesday, November 10, 2020 11:06 AM
>> *To:*Matt Hoppes <mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net
>> <mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
>> *Cc:*nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> list
>> <nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
>> *Subject:*Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>> Matt,
>> I am running on a huge assumption here, but I think Phoenix-IX
>> runs on donated infrastructure. From what I recall, there was
>> only an NRC to join Phoenix-IX.
>> And in regards to Walt's suggestion, it looks like HE already
>> started one with Stellar Technologies. https://48ix.net
>> <https://48ix.net/> but it is only in a single facility. So until
>> that IX grows, both in peers and footprint, I'm stuck on Phoenix-IX.
>> I have wondered what happens if a participant storms the IX. Will
>> somebody appear? Because attempts to reach their NOC/peering
>> handles has resulted in a lack of response.
>> I also wonder how the other Ninja-IX exchanges are running, I
>> haven't heard anything about them, is there the same lack of
>> communication? Or do those have a local staff?
>> —
>> Kate
>>
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 06:15, Matt Hoppes
>> <mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net
>> <mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
>> How is the IX still running?  Surely someone must be paying
>> colo rent?
>>
>> On 11/10/20 9:03 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>>
>> Always a good time for network operators to consider the
>> risks of having any one person as a single point of
>> failure for something kind of important:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor>
>> Disaster recovery and continuity of business plans should
>> always include the concept of what if some percentage of
>> the key team members were to be suddenly unavailable
>> permanently (the Malaysian airline incident, for example).
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM Kate Gerry
>> <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com
>> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>>
>> wrote:
>>    Is there anybody else even there? I thought that it
>> was all Paul's show!
>>    If I was able to (as in, had access to), I would offer
>> to help/run
>>    with the IX. I may live in California, but it's a
>> realistic car trip
>>    back and forth to Phoenix.
>>    --
>>    Kate
>>
>>    On Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike Hammett
>> <nanog@ics-il.net
>>    <mailto:nanog@ics-il.net
>> <mailto:nanog@ics-il.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:nanog@ics-il.net>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>    Paul's LinkedIn seems to show that he checked out
>> in April. Let me
>>    know if you have any success reaching anyone there.
>>
>>
>>
>>    -----
>>    Mike Hammett
>>    Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> <http://www.ics-il.com/ <http://www.ics-il.com/>>
>>    <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>><https://twitter.com/ICSIL
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>>
>>    Midwest Internet Exchange
>> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/ <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>>
>>    <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>><https://twitter.com/mdwestix
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>>
>>    The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/
>> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>>
>>    <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>><https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>>
>>    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>    *From:*"Kate Gerry" <kgerry@outlook.com
>> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com
>> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>>
>>    *To:*"Bill Woodcock" <woody@pch.net
>> <mailto:woody@pch.net
>> <mailto:woody@pch.net%20%3cmailto:woody@pch.net>>>
>>    *Cc:*nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
>> <mailto:nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
>>    *Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 5:44:42 PM
>>    *Subject:*Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>>
>>    Just a heads-up, I never heard a word from anybody
>> at Phoenix-IX.
>>
>>    Is there anybody still running the IX? Or is it
>> just on autopilot?
>>    It'd be nice if anybody had some information on
>> whatever happened
>>    to Paul. Hopefully he is okay!
>>
>>    --
>>    Kate
>>
>>        On Sep 14, 2020, at 13:33, Kate Gerry
>> <kgerry@outlook.com
>>        <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com
>> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>        Thank Bill! I've been trying to reach Paul for
>> ages now,
>>        hopefully he pops back up again. We want to
>> upgrade.
>>
>>        On an unrelated note, it looks like somebody
>> has their ticket
>>        system subscribed to the list... Awesome.
>>
>>            *From: *Dating Support
>> <dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
>>            <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
>> <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>>>
>>            *Subject: **[#WQV-291-95071]: Phoenix-IX
>> Contact*
>>            *Date: *September 14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT
>>            *To:*kgerry@outlook.com
>> <mailto:*kgerry@outlook.com><mailto:kgerry@outlook.com
>> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>
>>            *Reply-To:*dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
>> <mailto:*dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>
>>            <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
>> <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>>
>>
>>            Kate Gerry,
>>
>>            Thank you for contacting us. This is an
>> automated response
>>            confirming the receipt of your ticket. Our
>> team will get
>>            back to you within 24 hours.
>>
>>
>>        --
>>        Kate
>>
>>
>>            On Sep 14, 2020, at 12:48, Bill Woodcock
>> <woody@pch.net
>>            <mailto:woody@pch.net
>> <mailto:woody@pch.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:woody@pch.net>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>                On Sep 14, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry
>>                <kgerry@outlook.com
>> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com
>> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>                Does anybody have a contact who works
>> at Phoenix-IX? I
>>                have been attempting to reach somebody
>> there for a
>>                while now without any luck.
>>
>>                Attempts to each
>> outtopeering@phoenix-ix.net
>> <mailto:topeering@phoenix-ix.net>
>>                <mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net
>> <mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net>>as well as Ninja-IX
>>                have been without any luck. We also
>> tried reaching out
>>                to Paul Emmons via LinkedIn mail and
>> never received a
>>                response.
>>
>>
>>            Paul is the correct person.
>>
>>                                           -Bill
>>
>

Great news! Paul is attempting to respond! His email, including NANOG bounce is included below.

Paul, thanks for reaching out!

—
Kate

##
> On Nov 16, 2020, at 12:32, Paul Emmons <paul@emmons.mx> wrote:
>
> Sorry to blast everyone that posted, But I guess I am still awaiting moderator approval to post.
>
> Your mail to 'NANOG' with the subject
>
> Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>
> The reason it is being held:
>
> Post to moderated list
> I swear everytime I try to do something about the IX it gets . . . squashed.
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 13:03:58 -0700
> From: Paul Emmons <paul@gldlholdings.com> <mailto:paul@gldlholdings.com>
> To: nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
>
> Hello All!
>
> I've been out of the loop here and but have some updates.
>
> There was a change last spring and I moved on to other projects. But that hasn't worked out for the IX.
>
> I have regained access to all of the elements, including the email and voip. Let me reach out to each of you offline in the coming days.
>
> I have been able to reach out to a few locals that are willing to help get the project back up to where it needs to be.
>
> If I haven;t reached out to you in the next 48 hours or you have something urgent, please reach out to me here (my personal email) or via the Phoenix-IX Contacts
>
> peering@phoenix-ix.net <mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net>
> +1 602 688-6414
>
> ~Paul Emmons


###

> On Nov 16, 2020, at 11:23, Neil Hanlon <neil@shrug.pw> wrote:
>
> While I agree it is objectively irresponsible to abandon a project without passing it to another, I think that possibly in this situation we don't know all the details?
>
> 2020 has been a difficult year for everyone. Perhaps Paul (and whomever else may be responsible for Phoenix-IX) were subject to things this year beyond their control which led them to be unable to work on the project and unable to transfer it, either.. unfortunate, yes.. but not malicious surely.
>
> If Paul _is_ reading these messages.. I think support is the best path forward.. If there are things that can be done to assist/take over the IX... maybe that would help (as you, Kate, had offered towards the beginning of this all). Though of course, the first step is _reaching_ them... Maybe this can be turned into a "win" for everyone. So: Paul/Phoenix-IX -- let the NANOG community know how they/we can help.
>
> --
> Neil
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 2:05 PM Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>> wrote:
> An update on my side, we reached out to PhoenixNAP, one of the Phoenix-IX's vendors.
>
> PhoenixNAP reached out all of their contacts at Phoenix-IX and have received no response. They are in as much of the dark as the rest of us. I feel like I'm on the Ghost ship Phoenix-IX.
>
> What I don't understand, is how somebody could abandon a project without passing it to another person or entity. This is extremely irresponsible.
>
> —
> Kate
>
>> On Nov 12, 2020, at 05:11, Marcus Josephson <mjosephson@inap.com <mailto:mjosephson@inap.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I tried to get a link to PHX-IX for months. Never heard back from them, went with Digital Realty Phoenix
>>
>>
>> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+mjosephson=inap.com@nanog.org <mailto:nanog-bounces+mjosephson=inap.com@nanog.org>> On Behalf Of Kate Gerry
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 11:06 AM
>> To: Matt Hoppes <mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net <mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> list <nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
>> Subject: Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> I am running on a huge assumption here, but I think Phoenix-IX runs on donated infrastructure. From what I recall, there was only an NRC to join Phoenix-IX.
>>
>> And in regards to Walt's suggestion, it looks like HE already started one with Stellar Technologies. https://48ix.net <https://48ix.net/> but it is only in a single facility. So until that IX grows, both in peers and footprint, I'm stuck on Phoenix-IX.
>>
>> I have wondered what happens if a participant storms the IX. Will somebody appear? Because attempts to reach their NOC/peering handles has resulted in a lack of response.
>>
>> I also wonder how the other Ninja-IX exchanges are running, I haven't heard anything about them, is there the same lack of communication? Or do those have a local staff?
>>
>> —
>> Kate
>>
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 06:15, Matt Hoppes <mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net <mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
>>
>> How is the IX still running? Surely someone must be paying colo rent?
>>
>> On 11/10/20 9:03 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>>
>> Always a good time for network operators to consider the risks of having any one person as a single point of failure for something kind of important:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor>
>> Disaster recovery and continuity of business plans should always include the concept of what if some percentage of the key team members were to be suddenly unavailable permanently (the Malaysian airline incident, for example).
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>> wrote:
>> Is there anybody else even there? I thought that it was all Paul's show!
>> If I was able to (as in, had access to), I would offer to help/run
>> with the IX. I may live in California, but it's a realistic car trip
>> back and forth to Phoenix.
>> --
>> Kate
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net
>>    <mailto:nanog@ics-il.net <mailto:nanog@ics-il.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:nanog@ics-il.net>>> wrote:
>>
>> Paul's LinkedIn seems to show that he checked out in April. Let me
>> know if you have any success reaching anyone there.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/ <http://www.ics-il.com/>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>><https://twitter.com/ICSIL <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/ <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>><https://twitter.com/mdwestix <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>><https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:*"Kate Gerry" <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>>
>> *To:*"Bill Woodcock" <woody@pch.net <mailto:woody@pch.net <mailto:woody@pch.net%20%3cmailto:woody@pch.net>>>
>> *Cc:*nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> <mailto:nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
>> *Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 5:44:42 PM
>> *Subject:*Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>>
>> Just a heads-up, I never heard a word from anybody at Phoenix-IX.
>>
>> Is there anybody still running the IX? Or is it just on autopilot?
>> It'd be nice if anybody had some information on whatever happened
>> to Paul. Hopefully he is okay!
>>
>> --
>> Kate
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 13:33, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com
>>        <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank Bill! I've been trying to reach Paul for ages now,
>> hopefully he pops back up again. We want to upgrade.
>>
>> On an unrelated note, it looks like somebody has their ticket
>> system subscribed to the list... Awesome.
>>
>> *From: *Dating Support <dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
>>            <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>>>
>> *Subject: **[#WQV-291-95071]: Phoenix-IX Contact*
>> *Date: *September 14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT
>> *To: *kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:*kgerry@outlook.com> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>
>> *Reply-To: *dating.support@csvwebsupport.com <mailto:*dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>
>> <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com>>
>>
>> Kate Gerry,
>>
>> Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response
>> confirming the receipt of your ticket. Our team will get
>> back to you within 24 hours.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kate
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 12:48, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net
>>            <mailto:woody@pch.net <mailto:woody@pch.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:woody@pch.net>>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry
>> <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody have a contact who works at Phoenix-IX? I
>> have been attempting to reach somebody there for a
>> while now without any luck.
>>
>> Attempts to each out topeering@phoenix-ix.net <mailto:topeering@phoenix-ix.net>
>> <mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net <mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net>>as well as Ninja-IX
>> have been without any luck. We also tried reaching out
>> to Paul Emmons via LinkedIn mail and never received a
>> response.
>>
>>
>> Paul is the correct person.
>>
>> -Bill
>

Founder of the below-mentioned 48 IX here. @Paul, I’m glad to see some
attention being given to Phoenix-IX. If I can be of help, or if you see any
opportunities for our two exchanges to partner in any way, just let me know!

Regarding our facility footprint, we’re currently at EdgeConneX EDCPHX01
only, but have had offers for free colocation at both PhoenixNAP & Iron
Mountain AZP-1 (via prospective participants, not the facilities
themselves, although I haven’t asked), we’re just missing the transport
piece. If anyone interested in joining 48 IX is able to help in this area,
we could easily expand to these two facilities very quickly. As of today,
we have Hurricane Electric, Cloudflare, and Stellar Technologies as active
members.

Feel free to reach out to me directly: matt@48ix.net

Thanks,
Matt Love

On Nov 16, 2020 at 1:09:08 PM, Paul Emmons <paul@emmons.mx> wrote:

> Hello All!
>
> I've been out of the loop here and but have some updates.
>
> There was a change last spring and I moved on to other projects. But that
> hasn't worked out for the IX.
>
> I have regained access to all of the elements, including the email and
> voip. Let me reach out to each of you offline in the coming days.
>
> I have been able to reach out to a few locals that are willing to help get
> the project back up to where it needs to be.
>
> If I haven;t reached out to you in the next 48 hours or you have something
> urgent, please reach out to me here (my personal email) or via the
> Phoenix-IX Contacts
>
> peering@phoenix-ix.net
>
> +1 602 688-6414
> ~Paul Emmons
> On 11/16/2020 12:23 PM, Neil Hanlon wrote:
>
> While I agree it is objectively irresponsible to abandon a project without
> passing it to another, I think that possibly in this situation we don't
> know all the details?
>
> 2020 has been a difficult year for everyone. Perhaps Paul (and whomever
> else may be responsible for Phoenix-IX) were subject to things this year
> beyond their control which led them to be unable to work on the project and
> unable to transfer it, either.. unfortunate, yes.. but not malicious surely.
>
> If Paul _is_ reading these messages.. I think support is the best path
> forward.. If there are things that can be done to assist/take over the
> IX... maybe that would help (as you, Kate, had offered towards the
> beginning of this all). Though of course, the first step is _reaching_
> them... Maybe this can be turned into a "win" for everyone. So:
> Paul/Phoenix-IX -- let the NANOG community know how they/we can help.
>
> --
> Neil
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 2:05 PM Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> An update on my side, we reached out to PhoenixNAP, one of the
>> Phoenix-IX's vendors.
>>
>> PhoenixNAP reached out all of their contacts at Phoenix-IX and have
>> received no response. They are in as much of the dark as the rest of us. I
>> feel like I'm on the Ghost ship Phoenix-IX.
>>
>> What I don't understand, is how somebody could abandon a project without
>> passing it to another person or entity. This is extremely irresponsible.
>>
>> —
>> Kate
>>
>> On Nov 12, 2020, at 05:11, Marcus Josephson <mjosephson@inap.com> wrote:
>>
>> I tried to get a link to PHX-IX for months. Never heard back from them,
>> went with Digital Realty Phoenix
>>
>>
>> *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+mjosephson=inap.com@nanog.org> *On Behalf
>> Of *Kate Gerry
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 11:06 AM
>> *To:* Matt Hoppes <mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org list <nanog@nanog.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> I am running on a huge assumption here, but I think Phoenix-IX runs on
>> donated infrastructure. From what I recall, there was only an NRC to join
>> Phoenix-IX.
>>
>> And in regards to Walt's suggestion, it looks like HE already started one
>> with Stellar Technologies. https://48ix.net but it is only in a single
>> facility. So until that IX grows, both in peers and footprint, I'm stuck on
>> Phoenix-IX.
>>
>> I have wondered what happens if a participant storms the IX. Will
>> somebody appear? Because attempts to reach their NOC/peering handles has
>> resulted in a lack of response.
>>
>> I also wonder how the other Ninja-IX exchanges are running, I haven't
>> heard anything about them, is there the same lack of communication? Or do
>> those have a local staff?
>>
>> —
>> Kate
>>
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 06:15, Matt Hoppes <mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> How is the IX still running? Surely someone must be paying colo rent?
>>
>> On 11/10/20 9:03 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>>
>> Always a good time for network operators to consider the risks of having
>> any one person as a single point of failure for something kind of important:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor
>> Disaster recovery and continuity of business plans should always include
>> the concept of what if some percentage of the key team members were to be
>> suddenly unavailable permanently (the Malaysian airline incident, for
>> example).
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com
>> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com
>> <kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>> wrote:
>> Is there anybody else even there? I thought that it was all Paul's
>> show!
>> If I was able to (as in, had access to), I would offer to help/run
>> with the IX. I may live in California, but it's a realistic car trip
>> back and forth to Phoenix.
>> --
>> Kate
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net
>> <mailto:nanog@ics-il.net
>> <nanog@ics-il.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:nanog@ics-il.net>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Paul's LinkedIn seems to show that he checked out in April. Let me
>> know if you have any success reaching anyone there.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><
>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><
>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><
>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><
>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
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>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:*"Kate Gerry" <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com
>> <kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>>
>> *To:*"Bill Woodcock" <woody@pch.net <mailto:woody@pch.net
>> <woody@pch.net%20%3cmailto:woody@pch.net>>>
>> *Cc:*nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org>>
>> *Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 5:44:42 PM
>> *Subject:*Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>>
>> Just a heads-up, I never heard a word from anybody at Phoenix-IX.
>>
>> Is there anybody still running the IX? Or is it just on autopilot?
>> It'd be nice if anybody had some information on whatever happened
>> to Paul. Hopefully he is okay!
>>
>> --
>> Kate
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 13:33, Kate Gerry <kgerry@outlook.com
>> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com
>> <kgerry@outlook.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank Bill! I've been trying to reach Paul for ages now,
>> hopefully he pops back up again. We want to upgrade.
>>
>> On an unrelated note, it looks like somebody has their ticket
>> system subscribed to the list... Awesome.
>>
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>> >>
>> *Subject: **[#WQV-291-95071]: Phoenix-IX Contact*
>> *Date: *September 14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT
>> *To: *kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com
>> <kgerry@outlook.com>>
>> *Reply-To: *dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
>> <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com
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>>
>> Kate Gerry,
>>
>> Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response
>> confirming the receipt of your ticket. Our team will get
>> back to you within 24 hours.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kate
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 12:48, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net
>> <mailto:woody@pch.net
>> <woody@pch.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:woody@pch.net>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry
>> <kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com
>> <kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody have a contact who works at Phoenix-IX? I
>> have been attempting to reach somebody there for a
>> while now without any luck.
>>
>> Attempts to each out topeering@phoenix-ix.net
>> <mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net <peering@phoenix-ix.net>>as
>> well as Ninja-IX
>> have been without any luck. We also tried reaching out
>> to Paul Emmons via LinkedIn mail and never received a
>> response.
>>
>>
>> Paul is the correct person.
>>
>> -Bill
>>
>>
>>