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On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 9:10?AM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:

> New web app for setup and replacement for mythweb
>
> There is a new web application in the master branch. Running on
> http://backend:6744, it supports everything in mythtv-setup. It will
> replace mythtv-setup and allow you to do the complete setup through a
> browser. mythbackend can start up without a database and you can then
> set up the database and the rest of MythTV through the browser.
>
> Also included are pages to replace mythweb. Currently these include
> Backend Status, Channel Editor, Program Guide, Recordings, and Upcoming.
> The program guide supports scheduling of recordings, and programs that
> are scheduled are highlighted in the guide. Recordings can be filtered
> and sorted, and various update options are provided.
>
> I will be adding pages for recording rules and videos, and updating the
> recordings and upcoming pages to allow rescheduling from those pages.
>
> I would appreciate it if people can test this and report back any
> issues. I have added support for all capture card types but I cannot
> test most of them as I do not have the hardware or the appropriate TV
> signals. Also the satellite settings that are available with DVB cards
> are extensive and I cannot verify that they are working correctly.
>
> If you find any problems or have questions please report them with a
> comment to this issue
> https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/issues/239
> or email me.
>
> The system caters for language translation. Translations have not been
> done yet.
>
> Peter
>
> This sounds like a great app. I will be testing and reporting for ATSC
1.0 tuners, HDHR and Hauppauge WinTVHD Quad where I can.

So to start on the right path. If I build from source and install mariadb.
Do I create the systemd service for mythtv-backend and enable/start it and
then go to the webapp??

Jim A

On 5/30/23 09:59, James Abernathy wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 9:10?AM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> New web app for setup and replacement for mythweb
>
> There is a new web application in the master branch. Running on
> http://backend:6744, it supports everything in mythtv-setup. It will
> replace mythtv-setup and allow you to do the complete setup through a
> browser. mythbackend can start up without a database and you can then
> set up the database and the rest of MythTV through the browser.
>
> Also included are pages to replace mythweb. Currently these include
> Backend Status, Channel Editor, Program Guide, Recordings, and
> Upcoming.
> The program guide supports scheduling of recordings, and programs
> that
> are scheduled are highlighted in the guide. Recordings can be
> filtered
> and sorted, and various update options are provided.
>
> I will be adding pages for recording rules and videos, and
> updating the
> recordings and upcoming pages to allow rescheduling from those pages.
>
> I would appreciate it if people can test this and report back any
> issues. I have added support for all capture card types but I cannot
> test most of them as I do not have the hardware or the appropriate TV
> signals. Also the satellite settings that are available with DVB
> cards
> are extensive and I cannot verify that they are working correctly.
>
> If you find any problems or have questions please report them with a
> comment to this issue
> https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/issues/239
> or email me.
>
> The system caters for language translation. Translations have not
> been
> done yet.
>
> Peter
>
> This sounds like a great app.  I will be testing and reporting for
> ATSC 1.0 tuners, HDHR and Hauppauge WinTVHD Quad where I can.
>
> So to start on the right path.  If I build from source and install
> mariadb. Do I create the systemd service for mythtv-backend and
> enable/start it and then go to the webapp??
>
> Jim A
>
That should work. If you do not have a .mythtv directory and a
config.xml, the backend will start without the database and let you
enter the db credentials. It will then instruct you to restart with the
restart button included on the page. After that you will be able to
continue with the rest of setup.

You can also try it out with an existing installation if you have the
latest master build. Go to the cogwheel icon and you can change
settings, add tuners, etc., etc.

When you start mythbackend without a database or without IP address
settings, the webapp will go directly to the setup pages. Once basic
setup is done it will go to the default main page and you can access
setup via the cogwheel.

Let me know of any questions or problems.

Peter

On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 11:11?AM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 5/30/23 09:59, James Abernathy wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 9:10?AM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> New web app for setup and replacement for mythweb
>>
>> There is a new web application in the master branch. Running on
>> http://backend:6744, it supports everything in mythtv-setup. It will
>> replace mythtv-setup and allow you to do the complete setup through a
>> browser. mythbackend can start up without a database and you can then
>> set up the database and the rest of MythTV through the browser.
>>
>> Also included are pages to replace mythweb. Currently these include
>> Backend Status, Channel Editor, Program Guide, Recordings, and Upcoming.
>> The program guide supports scheduling of recordings, and programs that
>> are scheduled are highlighted in the guide. Recordings can be filtered
>> and sorted, and various update options are provided.
>>
>> I will be adding pages for recording rules and videos, and updating the
>> recordings and upcoming pages to allow rescheduling from those pages.
>>
>> I would appreciate it if people can test this and report back any
>> issues. I have added support for all capture card types but I cannot
>> test most of them as I do not have the hardware or the appropriate TV
>> signals. Also the satellite settings that are available with DVB cards
>> are extensive and I cannot verify that they are working correctly.
>>
>> If you find any problems or have questions please report them with a
>> comment to this issue
>> https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/issues/239
>> or email me.
>>
>> The system caters for language translation. Translations have not been
>> done yet.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> This sounds like a great app. I will be testing and reporting for ATSC
> 1.0 tuners, HDHR and Hauppauge WinTVHD Quad where I can.
>
> So to start on the right path. If I build from source and install
> mariadb. Do I create the systemd service for mythtv-backend and
> enable/start it and then go to the webapp??
>
> Jim A
>
>
> That should work. If you do not have a .mythtv directory and a config.xml,
> the backend will start without the database and let you enter the db
> credentials. It will then instruct you to restart with the restart button
> included on the page. After that you will be able to continue with the rest
> of setup.
>
> You can also try it out with an existing installation if you have the
> latest master build. Go to the cogwheel icon and you can change settings,
> add tuners, etc., etc.
>
> When you start mythbackend without a database or without IP address
> settings, the webapp will go directly to the setup pages. Once basic setup
> is done it will go to the default main page and you can access setup via
> the cogwheel.
>
> Let me know of any questions or problems.
>
> Peter
>
So here's what I found. I could not get the mythtv-backend.serivce to run
without an error, but I could open a terminal and just run mythbackend.
Then point a browser to the ip:6744 and that started at setup.

I also could not use the mysql script for creating the user that is in the
webapp. So I had to use the one from the Build from Source wiki page:

mysql -u root -p
create database mythconverg;
create user 'mythtv'@'%' identified by 'mythtv';
create user 'mythtv'@'localhost' identified by 'mythtv';
set password for 'mythtv'@'%' = password('mythtv');
set password for 'mythtv'@'localhost' = password('mythtv');
connect mythconverg;
grant all privileges on *.* to 'mythtv'@'%' with grant option;
grant all privileges on *.* to 'mythtv'@'localhost' with grant option;
flush privileges;
exit;

Still working through start up issues.

More later

Jim A

I don't have a dev system, so I can't test this, but I have a question
about whether a feature already exists or could be made to exist:

I've had a private patch to various versions of mythweb for a million
years which changes the single channel presentation of listings (what
you get from mythweb/tv/channel?chanid=CHANNUM&date=TIMESTAMP) from
showing -one- day at a time to -all- days on and after the date chosen.
This is waaaay faster for my workflow of saying, "Is there anything
interesting coming up on this channel?" and which I do for several
channels at regular intervals---otherwise I have to get a new page for
every single day, one at a time, instead of scrolling, and that's just
intolerably slow. So I made the "all days at a time" mode the default
for my particular mythweb; if you want only one day, just stop reading
partway down the page. :)

Can this replacement perhaps have a mode which enables this behavior?
Otherwise, at least for my use case, I'd either stay with mythweb or
patch the new version to do what I've been doing with mythweb, and I'd
rather not be in the business of doing that forever.

If you'd like me to send a diff from the current mythweb for my patched
version so you know what I"m talking about, I can, though I assume it
wouldn't be directly useful in the reimplementation by itself. It's
only a few lines of code.

Thanks!

P.S. As part of that patch, I also fixed a bug where every time you
changed the channel in the form, mythweb jumped backwards a day in the
date, caused by it confusing UTC with localtime and then consistently
walking backwards over the midnight boundary; that'll be in the patch
if anyone wants to see it.
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On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 11:11?AM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 5/30/23 09:59, James Abernathy wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 9:10?AM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> New web app for setup and replacement for mythweb
>>
>> There is a new web application in the master branch. Running on
>> http://backend:6744, it supports everything in mythtv-setup. It will
>> replace mythtv-setup and allow you to do the complete setup through a
>> browser. mythbackend can start up without a database and you can then
>> set up the database and the rest of MythTV through the browser.
>>
>> Also included are pages to replace mythweb. Currently these include
>> Backend Status, Channel Editor, Program Guide, Recordings, and Upcoming.
>> The program guide supports scheduling of recordings, and programs that
>> are scheduled are highlighted in the guide. Recordings can be filtered
>> and sorted, and various update options are provided.
>>
>> I will be adding pages for recording rules and videos, and updating the
>> recordings and upcoming pages to allow rescheduling from those pages.
>>
>> I would appreciate it if people can test this and report back any
>> issues. I have added support for all capture card types but I cannot
>> test most of them as I do not have the hardware or the appropriate TV
>> signals. Also the satellite settings that are available with DVB cards
>> are extensive and I cannot verify that they are working correctly.
>>
>> If you find any problems or have questions please report them with a
>> comment to this issue
>> https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/issues/239
>> or email me.
>>
>> The system caters for language translation. Translations have not been
>> done yet.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> This sounds like a great app. I will be testing and reporting for ATSC
> 1.0 tuners, HDHR and Hauppauge WinTVHD Quad where I can.
>
> So to start on the right path. If I build from source and install
> mariadb. Do I create the systemd service for mythtv-backend and
> enable/start it and then go to the webapp??
>
> Jim A
>
>
> That should work. If you do not have a .mythtv directory and a config.xml,
> the backend will start without the database and let you enter the db
> credentials. It will then instruct you to restart with the restart button
> included on the page. After that you will be able to continue with the rest
> of setup.
>
> You can also try it out with an existing installation if you have the
> latest master build. Go to the cogwheel icon and you can change settings,
> add tuners, etc., etc.
>
> When you start mythbackend without a database or without IP address
> settings, the webapp will go directly to the setup pages. Once basic setup
> is done it will go to the default main page and you can access setup via
> the cogwheel.
>
> Let me know of any questions or problems.
>
> Peter
>

So I need to add to the pre-test setup. First and foremost. SHUTDOWN any
production mythtv backends. I forgot to do this and ended up upgrading my
Production mythtv 33 database to version "master". The good thing is I run
BTRFS with timeshift so I just restored to a snapshot taken the hour before.

I also found that if your only user on the backend is not user "mythtv"
then you need to create a user and group "mythtv" before you start.
You also need to create your storage directories and set the owner/group to
"mythtv" with the correct permissions.

JimA

On 5/30/23 13:25, f-myth-users@media.mit.edu wrote:
> I don't have a dev system, so I can't test this, but I have a question
> about whether a feature already exists or could be made to exist:
>
> I've had a private patch to various versions of mythweb for a million
> years which changes the single channel presentation of listings (what
> you get from mythweb/tv/channel?chanid=CHANNUM&date=TIMESTAMP) from
> showing -one- day at a time to -all- days on and after the date chosen.
> This is waaaay faster for my workflow of saying, "Is there anything
> interesting coming up on this channel?" and which I do for several
> channels at regular intervals---otherwise I have to get a new page for
> every single day, one at a time, instead of scrolling, and that's just
> intolerably slow. So I made the "all days at a time" mode the default
> for my particular mythweb; if you want only one day, just stop reading
> partway down the page. :)
>
> Can this replacement perhaps have a mode which enables this behavior?
> Otherwise, at least for my use case, I'd either stay with mythweb or
> patch the new version to do what I've been doing with mythweb, and I'd
> rather not be in the business of doing that forever.
>
> If you'd like me to send a diff from the current mythweb for my patched
> version so you know what I"m talking about, I can, though I assume it
> wouldn't be directly useful in the reimplementation by itself. It's
> only a few lines of code.
>
> Thanks!
>
> P.S. As part of that patch, I also fixed a bug where every time you
> changed the channel in the form, mythweb jumped backwards a day in the
> date, caused by it confusing UTC with localtime and then consistently
> walking backwards over the midnight boundary; that'll be in the patch
> if anyone wants to see it.

I have not implemented the single channel presentation of listings at
this time. The single channel display is a different format, being a
list rather than a grid. I will add that to my todo list and keep in
mind your request.

Peter


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> Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 15:33:49 -0400
> From: Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com>

> I have not implemented the single channel presentation of listings at
> this time. The single channel display is a different format, being a
> list rather than a grid. I will add that to my todo list and keep in
> mind your request.

Thanks! And, again, if you or anyone want to see my patches to mythweb
(either for clarity on what I'm doing, or because someone wants to run
this themselves for mythweb until it's superceded) just ask.
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On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 9:10?AM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:

> New web app for setup and replacement for mythweb
>
> There is a new web application in the master branch. Running on
> http://backend:6744, it supports everything in mythtv-setup. It will
> replace mythtv-setup and allow you to do the complete setup through a
> browser. mythbackend can start up without a database and you can then
> set up the database and the rest of MythTV through the browser.
>
> Also included are pages to replace mythweb. Currently these include
> Backend Status, Channel Editor, Program Guide, Recordings, and Upcoming.
> The program guide supports scheduling of recordings, and programs that
> are scheduled are highlighted in the guide. Recordings can be filtered
> and sorted, and various update options are provided.
>
> I will be adding pages for recording rules and videos, and updating the
> recordings and upcoming pages to allow rescheduling from those pages.
>
> I would appreciate it if people can test this and report back any
> issues. I have added support for all capture card types but I cannot
> test most of them as I do not have the hardware or the appropriate TV
> signals. Also the satellite settings that are available with DVB cards
> are extensive and I cannot verify that they are working correctly.
>
> If you find any problems or have questions please report them with a
> comment to this issue
> https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/issues/239
> or email me.
>
> The system caters for language translation. Translations have not been
> done yet.
>
> Peter


Will this work with OTA EIT scans? Not having any success with that setup.
I'll try XMLTV next

Jim A



>
>

On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 11:55?AM James Abernathy <jfabernathy@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 11:11?AM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 5/30/23 09:59, James Abernathy wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 9:10?AM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> New web app for setup and replacement for mythweb
>>>
>>> There is a new web application in the master branch. Running on
>>> http://backend:6744, it supports everything in mythtv-setup. It will
>>> replace mythtv-setup and allow you to do the complete setup through a
>>> browser. mythbackend can start up without a database and you can then
>>> set up the database and the rest of MythTV through the browser.
>>>
>>> Also included are pages to replace mythweb. Currently these include
>>> Backend Status, Channel Editor, Program Guide, Recordings, and Upcoming.
>>> The program guide supports scheduling of recordings, and programs that
>>> are scheduled are highlighted in the guide. Recordings can be filtered
>>> and sorted, and various update options are provided.
>>>
>>> I will be adding pages for recording rules and videos, and updating the
>>> recordings and upcoming pages to allow rescheduling from those pages.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate it if people can test this and report back any
>>> issues. I have added support for all capture card types but I cannot
>>> test most of them as I do not have the hardware or the appropriate TV
>>> signals. Also the satellite settings that are available with DVB cards
>>> are extensive and I cannot verify that they are working correctly.
>>>
>>> If you find any problems or have questions please report them with a
>>> comment to this issue
>>> https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/issues/239
>>> or email me.
>>>
>>> The system caters for language translation. Translations have not been
>>> done yet.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> This sounds like a great app. I will be testing and reporting for ATSC
>> 1.0 tuners, HDHR and Hauppauge WinTVHD Quad where I can.
>>
>> So to start on the right path. If I build from source and install
>> mariadb. Do I create the systemd service for mythtv-backend and
>> enable/start it and then go to the webapp??
>>
>> Jim A
>>
>>
>> That should work. If you do not have a .mythtv directory and a
>> config.xml, the backend will start without the database and let you enter
>> the db credentials. It will then instruct you to restart with the restart
>> button included on the page. After that you will be able to continue with
>> the rest of setup.
>>
>> You can also try it out with an existing installation if you have the
>> latest master build. Go to the cogwheel icon and you can change settings,
>> add tuners, etc., etc.
>>
>> When you start mythbackend without a database or without IP address
>> settings, the webapp will go directly to the setup pages. Once basic setup
>> is done it will go to the default main page and you can access setup via
>> the cogwheel.
>>
>> Let me know of any questions or problems.
>>
>> Peter
>>
> So here's what I found. I could not get the mythtv-backend.serivce to run
> without an error, but I could open a terminal and just run mythbackend.
> Then point a browser to the ip:6744 and that started at setup.
>
> I also could not use the mysql script for creating the user that is in the
> webapp. So I had to use the one from the Build from Source wiki page:
>
> mysql -u root -p
> create database mythconverg;
> create user 'mythtv'@'%' identified by 'mythtv';
> create user 'mythtv'@'localhost' identified by 'mythtv';
> set password for 'mythtv'@'%' = password('mythtv');
> set password for 'mythtv'@'localhost' = password('mythtv');
> connect mythconverg;
> grant all privileges on *.* to 'mythtv'@'%' with grant option;
> grant all privileges on *.* to 'mythtv'@'localhost' with grant option;
> flush privileges;
> exit;
>
> Still working through start up issues.
>
> More later
>
> Jim A
>

Could it be that the mysql script in the webapp that is supposed to set up
the mythconverg database be for Mysql and not MariaDB?

Jim A

> On 31 May 2023, at 7:06 am, James Abernathy <jfabernathy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 11:55?AM James Abernathy <jfabernathy@gmail.com <mailto:jfabernathy@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 11:11?AM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com <mailto:pb.mythtv@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> On 5/30/23 09:59, James Abernathy wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 9:10?AM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com <mailto:pb.mythtv@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> New web app for setup and replacement for mythweb
>>
>> There is a new web application in the master branch. Running on
>> http://backend:6744 <http://backend:6744/>, it supports everything in mythtv-setup. It will
>> replace mythtv-setup and allow you to do the complete setup through a
>> browser. mythbackend can start up without a database and you can then
>> set up the database and the rest of MythTV through the browser.
>>
>> Also included are pages to replace mythweb. Currently these include
>> Backend Status, Channel Editor, Program Guide, Recordings, and Upcoming.
>> The program guide supports scheduling of recordings, and programs that
>> are scheduled are highlighted in the guide. Recordings can be filtered
>> and sorted, and various update options are provided.
>>
>> I will be adding pages for recording rules and videos, and updating the
>> recordings and upcoming pages to allow rescheduling from those pages.
>>
>> I would appreciate it if people can test this and report back any
>> issues. I have added support for all capture card types but I cannot
>> test most of them as I do not have the hardware or the appropriate TV
>> signals. Also the satellite settings that are available with DVB cards
>> are extensive and I cannot verify that they are working correctly.
>>
>> If you find any problems or have questions please report them with a
>> comment to this issue
>> https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/issues/239 <https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/issues/239>
>> or email me.
>>
>> The system caters for language translation. Translations have not been
>> done yet.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> This sounds like a great app. I will be testing and reporting for ATSC 1.0 tuners, HDHR and Hauppauge WinTVHD Quad where I can.
>>
>> So to start on the right path. If I build from source and install mariadb. Do I create the systemd service for mythtv-backend and enable/start it and then go to the webapp??
>>
>> Jim A
>>
>>
> That should work. If you do not have a .mythtv directory and a config.xml, the backend will start without the database and let you enter the db credentials. It will then instruct you to restart with the restart button included on the page. After that you will be able to continue with the rest of setup.
>
> You can also try it out with an existing installation if you have the latest master build. Go to the cogwheel icon and you can change settings, add tuners, etc., etc.
>
> When you start mythbackend without a database or without IP address settings, the webapp will go directly to the setup pages. Once basic setup is done it will go to the default main page and you can access setup via the cogwheel.
>
> Let me know of any questions or problems.
>
> Peter
>
> So here's what I found. I could not get the mythtv-backend.serivce to run without an error, but I could open a terminal and just run mythbackend. Then point a browser to the ip:6744 and that started at setup.
>
> I also could not use the mysql script for creating the user that is in the webapp. So I had to use the one from the Build from Source wiki page:
>
> mysql -u root -p
> create database mythconverg;
> create user 'mythtv'@'%' identified by 'mythtv';
> create user 'mythtv'@'localhost' identified by 'mythtv';
> set password for 'mythtv'@'%' = password('mythtv');
> set password for 'mythtv'@'localhost' = password('mythtv');
> connect mythconverg;
> grant all privileges on *.* to 'mythtv'@'%' with grant option;
> grant all privileges on *.* to 'mythtv'@'localhost' with grant option;
> flush privileges;
> exit;
>
> Still working through start up issues.
>
> More later
>
> Jim A
>
> Could it be that the mysql script in the webapp that is supposed to set up the mythconverg database be for Mysql and not MariaDB?

Peter sounds very nice, but despite John's help and hard work I have been unable to build mythfrontend master for mac high sierra.
My main watching machine is un-upgradeable so I'm for ever stuck on 32.
Opinion: back porting to 32 possible for me to do?

(I usually build (no I always) from src. A recent upgrade to SuSE tumbleweed broke mythweb and the alternatives are barely usable.

SuSE make installing an old tumbleweed impossible: say install 20220904, install the dev tools bing-bong and you are cutrrent.
The last Leap (15.4) had so much btoken that (foolishly) I went to tumbleweed. Ubuntu is much more flexable in this regard (keeping and using a specific kernel) but IMHO are much more horrid eg dmesg eg unattended upgrades eg anal obsession with nano spurning vi etc etc

One Liner: with reasonable level of skill can I back port to 32

James

On 5/30/23 19:47, James wrote:
> Peter sounds very nice, but despite John's help and hard work I have
> been unable to build mythfrontend master for mac high sierra.
> My main watching machine is un-upgradeable so I'm for ever stuck on 32.
> Opinion: back porting to 32 possible for me to do?
>
> (I usually build (no I always) from src. A recent upgrade to SuSE
> tumbleweed broke mythweb and the alternatives are barely usable.
>
>  SuSE make installing an old tumbleweed impossible: say install
> 20220904, install the dev tools bing-bong and you are cutrrent.
> The last Leap (15.4) had so much btoken that (foolishly) I went to
> tumbleweed. Ubuntu is much more flexable in this regard (keeping and
> using a specific kernel) but IMHO are much more horrid eg dmesg eg
> unattended upgrades eg anal obsession with nano spurning vi etc etc
>
> One Liner: with reasonable level of skill can I back port to 32
>
> James
>
Where do you run the backend? Is that also on mac? Are you able to build
the backend?

What is the problem with the frontend? Is it a compile error or a
problem with watching video?

I may be able to suggest a workaround if I know what the problem is.

The problem with backporting this to v32 is that there are changes in
many places to support it. By the time you have backported everything
you probably have much of V34-pre anyway and maybe won't be able to build.

Peter

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On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:25:02 -0400, you wrote:

>I've had a private patch to various versions of mythweb for a million
>years which changes the single channel presentation of listings (what
>you get from mythweb/tv/channel?chanid=CHANNUM&date=TIMESTAMP) from
>showing -one- day at a time to -all- days on and after the date chosen.
>This is waaaay faster for my workflow of saying, "Is there anything
>interesting coming up on this channel?" and which I do for several
>channels at regular intervals---otherwise I have to get a new page for
>every single day, one at a time, instead of scrolling, and that's just
>intolerably slow. So I made the "all days at a time" mode the default
>for my particular mythweb; if you want only one day, just stop reading
>partway down the page. :)

Your need to look ahead for new things might be helped by my epgdiff
Python program:

http://www.jsw.gen.nz/mythtv/epgdiff

This looks at the EPG in the database and displays any new programmes
it sees that are present in future EPG data but not in the past EPG
data. It has options to also check if you are already recording a new
programme and to not display that if you are. If you use its -G (GUI)
option, it will pop up a window with the new listings and you can
select a programme from that window and it will take you to that
programme in mythfrontend so you can read about it and set it to
record if you want to. When you want to go back to the epgdiff window
from mythfrontend, just do Alt-Tab on the keyboard.

It also has the ability to be run using your IR remote control via
lirc, but there is a lot of setup to make that work, which is
undocumented at present.

If you try it out, please let me know if there are any problems or
feature requests. And if you would like to try using it with lirc,
please contact me off list and I can let you know how to set it all
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Thanks! I use mythweb, not mythfrontend, for 100% of my scheduling, and
I typically look as far ahead as possible around the time when my last
look will have been expiring (e.g., every couple of weeks), so epgdiff
isn't quite my use case, but it sounds like it might be interesting to
adapt (in some way in which the scheduling isn't done through mythfrontend)
if I wanted to take more-frequent looks at programming. (The problem with
my every-couple-of-weeks looks is, yeah, they'll miss additions which pop
up, say, a week in advance, but I don't want to spend the time looking
that frequently. :)
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> On 31 May 2023, at 8:56 am, Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 5/30/23 19:47, James wrote:
>> Peter sounds very nice, but despite John's help and hard work I have been unable to build mythfrontend master for mac high sierra.
>> My main watching machine is un-upgradeable so I'm for ever stuck on 32.
>> Opinion: back porting to 32 possible for me to do?
>>
>> (I usually build (no I always) from src. A recent upgrade to SuSE tumbleweed broke mythweb and the alternatives are barely usable.
>>
>> SuSE make installing an old tumbleweed impossible: say install 20220904, install the dev tools bing-bong and you are cutrrent.
>> The last Leap (15.4) had so much btoken that (foolishly) I went to tumbleweed. Ubuntu is much more flexable in this regard (keeping and using a specific kernel) but IMHO are much more horrid eg dmesg eg unattended upgrades eg anal obsession with nano spurning vi etc etc
>>
>> One Liner: with reasonable level of skill can I back port to 32
>>
>> James
>>
> Where do you run the backend? Is that also on mac? Are you able to build the backend?
>
> What is the problem with the frontend? Is it a compile error or a problem with watching video?
>
> I may be able to suggest a workaround if I know what the problem is.
> The problem with backporting this to v32 is that there are changes in many places to support it. By the time you have backported everything you probably have much of V34-pre anyway and maybe won't be able to build.

Hmm OK thanks lots.
My backend is SuSE tumbleweed.
My frontend are various mostly linux but a mac too.
Building for High Sierra is compile issues. I use a VM as that way I can throw the mess away and start from scratch. I *have* built from John's ansible stuff but can't do so now. I don't recall off hand what the issue was - I'll have another go.
Cheers
James

On Wed, 31 May 2023 00:15:48 -0400, you wrote:

>Thanks! I use mythweb, not mythfrontend, for 100% of my scheduling, and
>I typically look as far ahead as possible around the time when my last
>look will have been expiring (e.g., every couple of weeks), so epgdiff
>isn't quite my use case, but it sounds like it might be interesting to
>adapt (in some way in which the scheduling isn't done through mythfrontend)
>if I wanted to take more-frequent looks at programming. (The problem with
>my every-couple-of-weeks looks is, yeah, they'll miss additions which pop
>up, say, a week in advance, but I don't want to spend the time looking
>that frequently. :)

Epgdiff looks ahead as far as the EPG in the database goes. Here in
New Zealand, that is usually only one week, but US EPG seems to often
be up to 2 weeks. It definitely does need to use mythfrontend for
scheduling new recordings. It can be used in command line only mode
to get a list of the new upcoming programmes - that might be useful to
you.
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On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:10?PM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> New web app for setup and replacement for mythweb
>

As a meta question, should those that package
MythTV plan to rebuild the web-app using their
distro version(s) of npm/nodejs(*)?

Right now some (but not all) buildbot workers
rebuild the web-app as part of the builds as
part of CI, so there is some (but not currently
complete) coverage to make sure that things
build properly on different platforms.

This is also partially a question about "building
from source", rather than using a preassembled
app, and bundled sources (which, as I understand
it, the project generally wishes to try to avoid
(and remove) when possible, although there
are always some advantages to bundled sources).



(*) Regardless, for development, the ansible
playbooks probably should be updated to
install npm/nodejs for developers.
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On 5/31/23 11:21, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:10?PM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:
>> New web app for setup and replacement for mythweb
>>
> As a meta question, should those that package
> MythTV plan to rebuild the web-app using their
> distro version(s) of npm/nodejs(*)?
>
> Right now some (but not all) buildbot workers
> rebuild the web-app as part of the builds as
> part of CI, so there is some (but not currently
> complete) coverage to make sure that things
> build properly on different platforms.
>
> This is also partially a question about "building
> from source", rather than using a preassembled
> app, and bundled sources (which, as I understand
> it, the project generally wishes to try to avoid
> (and remove) when possible, although there
> are always some advantages to bundled sources).
>
>
>
> (*) Regardless, for development, the ansible
> playbooks probably should be updated to
> install npm/nodejs for developers.
> _______________________________________________

I am building the package manually and committing the bundled javascript
files. The make scripts do not do anything other than deploy them.

This was set up before I started work on it. Stuart and Paul Harrison
set up the system like that and I did not question it. It seems
reasonable because the same built packages can be installed everywhere
and you don't have to deal with having the correct software installed on
build machines.

There are instructions for developers that include the precise software
versions we are using, at https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/WebApp_Development .

Peter

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On 5/30/23 11:55, James Abernathy wrote:
> So here's what I found.  I could not get the mythtv-backend.serivce to
> run without an error, but I could open a terminal and just run
> mythbackend.  Then point a browser to the ip:6744  and that started at
> setup.
>
What was the error with the service? Are you using the service from the
ubuntu package? If not where are you getting the service?
> I also could not use the mysql script for creating the user that is in
> the webapp.  So I had to use the one from the Build from Source wiki page:
>
> mysql -u root -p
> create database mythconverg;
> create user 'mythtv'@'%' identified by 'mythtv';
> create user 'mythtv'@'localhost' identified by 'mythtv';
> set password for 'mythtv'@'%' = password('mythtv');
> set password for 'mythtv'@'localhost' = password('mythtv');
> connect mythconverg;
> grant all privileges on *.* to 'mythtv'@'%' with grant option;
> grant all privileges on *.* to 'mythtv'@'localhost' with grant option;
> flush privileges;
> exit;
>
I am adding a radio button to the page to choose MySQL or MariaDB so
that it can generate the correct commends for each.

Peter
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On 5/30/23 14:34, James Abernathy wrote:
> So I need to add to the pre-test setup. First and foremost. SHUTDOWN
> any production mythtv backends.  I forgot to do this and ended up
> upgrading my Production mythtv 33 database to version "master". The
> good thing is I run BTRFS with timeshift so I just restored to a
> snapshot taken the hour before.
>
> I also found that if your only user on the backend is not user
> "mythtv" then you need to create a user and group "mythtv" before you
> start.
> You also need to create your storage directories and set the
> owner/group to "mythtv" with the correct permissions.
>
> JimA


You can run it under any user. The packages normally take care of
creating the mythtv user for you. This would still be taken care of by
the package install.

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On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 11:03?AM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 5/30/23 14:34, James Abernathy wrote:
> > So I need to add to the pre-test setup. First and foremost. SHUTDOWN
> > any production mythtv backends. I forgot to do this and ended up
> > upgrading my Production mythtv 33 database to version "master". The
> > good thing is I run BTRFS with timeshift so I just restored to a
> > snapshot taken the hour before.
> >
> > I also found that if your only user on the backend is not user
> > "mythtv" then you need to create a user and group "mythtv" before you
> > start.
> > You also need to create your storage directories and set the
> > owner/group to "mythtv" with the correct permissions.
> >
> > JimA
>
>
> You can run it under any user. The packages normally take care of
> creating the mythtv user for you. This would still be taken care of by
> the package install.
>
> Peter
>

After testing a lot yesterday. There are 2 key issues I've found.
1. After you set up the backend IP and check Master and save that in the
General section. It forgets that saving and the selections get deleted by
some other aspect of the configuration.
2. The webapp scanning on hdhr tuners doesn't seem to work yet.

Since I'm using btrfs I can instantly restore to the point of starting the
webapp without mythconverg setup, I can go through the setup process from
the start each time.
Today I used mythtv-setup to create the backend and got it working fine as
expected. Then I used webapp for looking around and working with the guide
and setting up recordings. That works very well.

Jim A

On 6/1/23 20:20, Ken Mandelberg wrote:
> Hi Peter
>
> I understand that the big win here is for setup. I've been mainly
> trying it as a mythweb substitute. It does indeed display the same
> data as mythweb in the same order. I may be being superficial but it
> is much less pleasant to use then mythweb without the gui elements and
> images. Is the plan to add that, or stick with text? That doesn't
> matter for setup which is run once or seldom, but I use mythweb every
> day.
>
> Ken
>
Hi Ken

There is no specific plan for that. I am trying to put something
together as quickly as possible.

If you tell me precisely what you would like to see added I will do it
once the basics are complete. I am afraid I am no artist, but if you
think certain colors and other elements will improve it please let me
know, but please be specific.

Peter

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> On 2 Jun 2023, at 8:38 am, Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Peter
>>
>> I understand that the big win here is for setup. I've been mainly trying it as a mythweb substitute. It does indeed display the same data as mythweb in the same order. I may be being superficial but it is much less pleasant to use then mythweb without the gui elements and images. Is the plan to add that, or stick with text? That doesn't matter for setup which is run once or seldom, but I use mythweb every day.
>>
>> Ken
>>
> Hi Ken
>
> There is no specific plan for that. I am trying to put something together as quickly as possible.
>
> If you tell me precisely what you would like to see added I will do it once the basics are complete. I am afraid I am no artist, but if you think certain colors and other elements will improve it please let me know, but please be specific.


Just being an AH here ….

1 in 7 males are part colour blind!
So colours that look good to you or me might be terrible to some folk so the whole domain is fraght. It is wothwhile doing some research or building theming in so user *can* make it look nice for them. My mate chooses a theme that looks horrible!

James
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So with the latest patch and rebuild, I can complete setup in webapp, no
mythtv-setup. That is good. Scanning for channels in the Input Connection
section is different right now. For HDHR tuners I have to import the list
of channels from the tuners, then fetch from the Video source. At that
point it's ready to move to the next section.

So now I'm playing with using the web app for daily stuff like checking the
guide and setting up recording. When I select a program I notice a new
section on the popup at the bottom for choosing a TV listing source and it
walks me through correctly setting up program id for the correct logo. It
has always been odd, to me, that a Program that is a remake of a 1980's
show will have the metadata from the 1980 show and not the current show.
This feature may fix that???

Jim A

On 6/2/23 06:28, James Abernathy wrote:
> So with the latest patch and rebuild, I can complete setup in webapp,
> no mythtv-setup.  That is good. Scanning for channels in the Input
> Connection section is different right now. For HDHR tuners I have to
> import the list of channels from the tuners, then fetch from the Video
> source. At that point it's ready to move to the next section.
>
> So now I'm playing with using the web app for daily stuff like
> checking the guide and setting up recording.  When I select a program
> I notice a new section on the popup at the bottom for choosing a TV
> listing source and it walks me through correctly setting up program id
> for the correct logo. It has always been odd, to me, that a Program
> that is a remake of a 1980's show will have the metadata from the 1980
> show and not the current show. This feature may fix that???
>
> Jim A
>
>
> _______________________________________________

Yes. If you select the correct numeric id for the remake, that will get
you the correct metadata for new recordings.

There is a similar feature in mythfrontend but it only allows use of the
provider you have selected as default in the frontend settings.

leanfront supports lookup on all three services. The page and code for
scheduling in the web app is based on the code in leanfront.

Peter


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