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Channel 4HD leaving Freesat EPG Tomorrow (UK)
Hi, seems we will no longer have Channel 4 HD in the Freesat epg from tomorrow, the very short notice reeks of a contract dispute to me.

I heard from a friend there that the transmission will still be FTA, unencrypted, I’m also hoping there is some basic eit (now & next) still in the stream, that way MythTV may well continue to work well enough. There’s always xmltv if there’s no eit or Freeview HD, luckily I can get both, I dropped enough hints that they should leave some vestigial eit in there but will see when the Freesat epg data runs out on Saturday.

Just a heads up for Freesat people in the UK.

Andre
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Re: Channel 4HD leaving Freesat EPG Tomorrow (UK) [ In reply to ]
On 21/02/18 12:50, Andre Newman MythTV wrote:
> Hi, seems we will no longer have Channel 4 HD in the Freesat epg from tomorrow, the very short notice reeks of a contract dispute to me.
>
> I heard from a friend there that the transmission will still be FTA, unencrypted, I’m also hoping there is some basic eit (now & next) still in the stream, that way MythTV may well continue to work well enough. There’s always xmltv if there’s no eit or Freeview HD, luckily I can get both, I dropped enough hints that they should leave some vestigial eit in there but will see when the Freesat epg data runs out on Saturday.
>
> Just a heads up for Freesat people in the UK.
>
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Presumably it is possible to copy the EIT data from the Chanel 4 SD
feed, does anybody have an appropriate bit of SQL?

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Re: Channel 4HD leaving Freesat EPG Tomorrow (UK) [ In reply to ]
> On 21 Feb 2018, at 14:24, jksj <jksjdevelop@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 21/02/18 12:50, Andre Newman MythTV wrote:
>> Hi, seems we will no longer have Channel 4 HD in the Freesat epg from tomorrow, the very short notice reeks of a contract dispute to me.
>>
>> I heard from a friend there that the transmission will still be FTA, unencrypted, I’m also hoping there is some basic eit (now & next) still in the stream, that way MythTV may well continue to work well enough. There’s always xmltv if there’s no eit or Freeview HD, luckily I can get both, I dropped enough hints that they should leave some vestigial eit in there but will see when the Freesat epg data runs out on Saturday.
>>
>> Just a heads up for Freesat people in the UK.
>>
>> Andre
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> Presumably it is possible to copy the EIT data from the Chanel 4 SD feed, does anybody have an appropriate bit of SQL?

Or some way to do it in the eit fixup..?

Andre


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Re: Channel 4HD leaving Freesat EPG Tomorrow (UK) [ In reply to ]
On 21/02/18 13:28, Andre Newman MythTV wrote:
>> On 21 Feb 2018, at 14:24, jksj <jksjdevelop@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 21/02/18 12:50, Andre Newman MythTV wrote:
>>> Hi, seems we will no longer have Channel 4 HD in the Freesat epg from tomorrow, the very short notice reeks of a contract dispute to me.
>>>
>>> I heard from a friend there that the transmission will still be FTA, unencrypted, I’m also hoping there is some basic eit (now & next) still in the stream, that way MythTV may well continue to work well enough. There’s always xmltv if there’s no eit or Freeview HD, luckily I can get both, I dropped enough hints that they should leave some vestigial eit in there but will see when the Freesat epg data runs out on Saturday.
>>>
>>> Just a heads up for Freesat people in the UK.
>>>
>>> Andre
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>> Presumably it is possible to copy the EIT data from the Chanel 4 SD feed, does anybody have an appropriate bit of SQL?
> Or some way to do it in the eit fixup..?
>
> Andre
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How about changing the entry in the Channel table for Channel 4 SD to
point to the mplexid and serviceid for the HD equivalent. Any reason why
that would not work?

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Re: Channel 4HD leaving Freesat EPG Tomorrow (UK) [ In reply to ]
On 21/02/18 13:24, jksj wrote:
> On 21/02/18 12:50, Andre Newman MythTV wrote:
>> Hi, seems we will no longer have Channel 4 HD in the Freesat epg from
>> tomorrow, the very short notice reeks of a contract dispute to me.
>>
>> I heard from a friend there that the transmission will still be FTA,
>> unencrypted, I’m also hoping there is some basic eit (now & next)
>> still in the stream, that way MythTV may well continue to work well
>> enough. There’s always xmltv if there’s no eit or Freeview HD,
>> luckily I can get both, I dropped enough hints that they should leave
>> some vestigial eit in there but will see when the Freesat epg data
>> runs out on Saturday.
>>
>> Just a heads up for Freesat people in the UK.
>>
>> Andre
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> Presumably it is possible to copy the EIT data from the Chanel 4 SD
> feed, does anybody have an appropriate bit of SQL?

I don't recommend using sql (too easy to make a mistake!)

There is an old (very old)  for mythtv 0.24  script which may do the job
see  https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Cross-eit.py

It outputs the data from a chanid to an xml file which  can  be read
into database via mythfilldatabase --file --xmlfile <your file name>
--sourceid <n>

Mike
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Re: Channel 4HD leaving Freesat EPG Tomorrow (UK) [ In reply to ]
On 21/02/18 14:01, Mike Bibbings wrote:
> On 21/02/18 13:24, jksj wrote:
>> On 21/02/18 12:50, Andre Newman MythTV wrote:
>>> Hi, seems we will no longer have Channel 4 HD in the Freesat epg
>>> from tomorrow, the very short notice reeks of a contract dispute to me.
>>>
>>> I heard from a friend there that the transmission will still be FTA,
>>> unencrypted, I’m also hoping there is some basic eit (now & next)
>>> still in the stream, that way MythTV may well continue to work well
>>> enough. There’s always xmltv if there’s no eit or Freeview HD,
>>> luckily I can get both, I dropped enough hints that they should
>>> leave some vestigial eit in there but will see when the Freesat epg
>>> data runs out on Saturday.
>>>
>>> Just a heads up for Freesat people in the UK.
>>>
>>> Andre
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>>
>> Presumably it is possible to copy the EIT data from the Chanel 4 SD
>> feed, does anybody have an appropriate bit of SQL?
>
> I don't recommend using sql (too easy to make a mistake!)
>
> There is an old (very old)  for mythtv 0.24  script which may do the
> job see  https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Cross-eit.py
>
> It outputs the data from a chanid to an xml file which  can  be read
> into database via mythfilldatabase --file --xmlfile <your file name>
> --sourceid <n>
>
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ok that works :-)
To clarify
Find the chanid for Channel 4 London on Freesat.

select serviceid,channum,mplexid,sourceid,callsign,chanid from channel
where serviceid=9211 order by sourceid,mplexid,channum;
+-----------+---------+---------+----------+-----------+--------+
| serviceid | channum | mplexid | sourceid | callsign  | chanid |
+-----------+---------+---------+----------+-----------+--------+
|      9211 | 126     |       1 |        2 | Channel 4 | 11211 |
+-----------+---------+---------+----------+-----------+--------+

Use that number, in this case 11211 as the first parameter in cross-eit.
The second parameter is an arbitrary identifier which cross-eit embeds
in the output.
/cross-eit.py 11211,"hd.channel4.com"

The identifier must now be entered as the xmltvid field for Channel 4
HD. This can be done with mythweb without resorting to SQL. Click on the
settings page, select TV then Channel Info and update the xmltvid field
for Channel 4 HD. Increase the recpriority to 2 while on the same line
(to compensate for the entries not being marked as HD). Press save at
the bottom of the page.

Then call
mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --verbose xmltv --file --sourceid 2
--xmlfile output.xml
with the correct sourcid for freesat on your system as shown in the
above table.

So once set up a simple script can be run daily.
~/cross-eit.py 11211,"hd.channel4.com"
mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --verbose xmltv --file --sourceid 2
--xmlfile output.xml

Many thanks to  Rune Evjen for Coss-eit and Mike Bibbings for the
suggestion.

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Re: Channel 4HD leaving Freesat EPG Tomorrow (UK) [ In reply to ]
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:14:11 +0000, you wrote:

>
>
>On 21/02/18 14:01, Mike Bibbings wrote:
>> On 21/02/18 13:24, jksj wrote:
>>> On 21/02/18 12:50, Andre Newman MythTV wrote:
>>>> Hi, seems we will no longer have Channel 4 HD in the Freesat epg
>>>> from tomorrow, the very short notice reeks of a contract dispute to me.
>>>>
>>>> I heard from a friend there that the transmission will still be FTA,
>>>> unencrypted, I?m also hoping there is some basic eit (now & next)
>>>> still in the stream, that way MythTV may well continue to work well
>>>> enough. There?s always xmltv if there?s no eit or Freeview HD,
>>>> luckily I can get both, I dropped enough hints that they should
>>>> leave some vestigial eit in there but will see when the Freesat epg
>>>> data runs out on Saturday.
>>>>
>>>> Just a heads up for Freesat people in the UK.
>>>>
>>>> Andre
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>>>
>>> Presumably it is possible to copy the EIT data from the Chanel 4 SD
>>> feed, does anybody have an appropriate bit of SQL?
>>
>> I don't recommend using sql (too easy to make a mistake!)
>>
>> There is an old (very old)? for mythtv 0.24? script which may do the
>> job see? https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Cross-eit.py
>>
>> It outputs the data from a chanid to an xml file which? can? be read
>> into database via mythfilldatabase --file --xmlfile <your file name>
>> --sourceid <n>
>>
>> Mike
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>ok that works :-)
>To clarify
>Find the chanid for Channel 4 London on Freesat.
>
>select serviceid,channum,mplexid,sourceid,callsign,chanid from channel
>where serviceid=9211 order by sourceid,mplexid,channum;
>+-----------+---------+---------+----------+-----------+--------+
>| serviceid | channum | mplexid | sourceid | callsign? | chanid |
>+-----------+---------+---------+----------+-----------+--------+
>|????? 9211 | 126???? |?????? 1 |??????? 2 | Channel 4 | 11211 |
>+-----------+---------+---------+----------+-----------+--------+
>
>Use that number, in this case 11211 as the first parameter in cross-eit.
>The second parameter is an arbitrary identifier which cross-eit embeds
>in the output.
>/cross-eit.py 11211,"hd.channel4.com"
>
>The identifier must now be entered as the xmltvid field for Channel 4
>HD. This can be done with mythweb without resorting to SQL. Click on the
>settings page, select TV then Channel Info and update the xmltvid field
>for Channel 4 HD. Increase the recpriority to 2 while on the same line
>(to compensate for the entries not being marked as HD). Press save at
>the bottom of the page.
>
>Then call
>mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --verbose xmltv --file --sourceid 2
>--xmlfile output.xml
>with the correct sourcid for freesat on your system as shown in the
>above table.
>
>So once set up a simple script can be run daily.
>~/cross-eit.py 11211,"hd.channel4.com"
>mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --verbose xmltv --file --sourceid 2
>--xmlfile output.xml
>
>Many thanks to? Rune Evjen for Coss-eit and Mike Bibbings for the
>suggestion.

Are all the programmes on the HD channels normally marked as HD in the
EPG? If so, it would be fairly easy to add an option to cross-eit.py
to allow it to add the HDTV tag in the xmltv data. In New Zealand,
our HDTV tags look like this:

<video>
<present>yes</present>
<quality>HDTV</quality>
</video>

Is it the same in the UK?
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Re: Channel 4HD leaving Freesat EPG Tomorrow (UK) [ In reply to ]
On 22/02/18 01:18, Stephen Worthington wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:14:11 +0000, you wrote:
>
>>
>> On 21/02/18 14:01, Mike Bibbings wrote:
>>> On 21/02/18 13:24, jksj wrote:
>>>> On 21/02/18 12:50, Andre Newman MythTV wrote:
>>>>> Hi, seems we will no longer have Channel 4 HD in the Freesat epg
>>>>> from tomorrow, the very short notice reeks of a contract dispute to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I heard from a friend there that the transmission will still be FTA,
>>>>> unencrypted, I?m also hoping there is some basic eit (now & next)
>>>>> still in the stream, that way MythTV may well continue to work well
>>>>> enough. There?s always xmltv if there?s no eit or Freeview HD,
>>>>> luckily I can get both, I dropped enough hints that they should
>>>>> leave some vestigial eit in there but will see when the Freesat epg
>>>>> data runs out on Saturday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a heads up for Freesat people in the UK.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andre
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>>>> Presumably it is possible to copy the EIT data from the Chanel 4 SD
>>>> feed, does anybody have an appropriate bit of SQL?
>>> I don't recommend using sql (too easy to make a mistake!)
>>>
>>> There is an old (very old)? for mythtv 0.24? script which may do the
>>> job see? https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Cross-eit.py
>>>
>>> It outputs the data from a chanid to an xml file which? can? be read
>>> into database via mythfilldatabase --file --xmlfile <your file name>
>>> --sourceid <n>
>>>
>>> Mike
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>> ok that works :-)
>> To clarify
>> Find the chanid for Channel 4 London on Freesat.
>>
>> select serviceid,channum,mplexid,sourceid,callsign,chanid from channel
>> where serviceid=9211 order by sourceid,mplexid,channum;
>> +-----------+---------+---------+----------+-----------+--------+
>> | serviceid | channum | mplexid | sourceid | callsign? | chanid |
>> +-----------+---------+---------+----------+-----------+--------+
>> |????? 9211 | 126???? |?????? 1 |??????? 2 | Channel 4 | 11211 |
>> +-----------+---------+---------+----------+-----------+--------+
>>
>> Use that number, in this case 11211 as the first parameter in cross-eit.
>> The second parameter is an arbitrary identifier which cross-eit embeds
>> in the output.
>> /cross-eit.py 11211,"hd.channel4.com"
>>
>> The identifier must now be entered as the xmltvid field for Channel 4
>> HD. This can be done with mythweb without resorting to SQL. Click on the
>> settings page, select TV then Channel Info and update the xmltvid field
>> for Channel 4 HD. Increase the recpriority to 2 while on the same line
>> (to compensate for the entries not being marked as HD). Press save at
>> the bottom of the page.
>>
>> Then call
>> mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --verbose xmltv --file --sourceid 2
>> --xmlfile output.xml
>> with the correct sourcid for freesat on your system as shown in the
>> above table.
>>
>> So once set up a simple script can be run daily.
>> ~/cross-eit.py 11211,"hd.channel4.com"
>> mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --verbose xmltv --file --sourceid 2
>> --xmlfile output.xml
>>
>> Many thanks to? Rune Evjen for Coss-eit and Mike Bibbings for the
>> suggestion.
>
Just noticed that the epg data created using cross-eit.py and
mythfilldatabase is an hour early.

I had to hack cross-eit.py to comment out the timezone correction. I am
not familiar with python does anybody know a proper fix?

date = dateobj? + datetime.timedelta(seconds=time.altzone)

changed to :-

date = dateobj # + datetime.timedelta(seconds=time.altzone)


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Re: Channel 4HD leaving Freesat EPG Tomorrow (UK) [ In reply to ]
FYI for anyone following:

There seems to be enough eit data to keep Channel 4 HD scheduling going, just now & next but seems ok.

Andre
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Re: Channel 4HD leaving Freesat EPG Tomorrow (UK) [ In reply to ]
Andre MythTV wrote:
> FYI for anyone following:
>
> There seems to be enough eit data to keep Channel 4 HD scheduling going, just now& next but seems ok.
>
> Andre
>
>
Have I got this right. The stream is active but the EPG has died/been
killed???

Ken

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Re: Channel 4HD leaving Freesat EPG Tomorrow (UK) [ In reply to ]
> On 26 Feb 2018, at 18:23, Ken Smith <kens@kensnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> Andre MythTV wrote:
>> FYI for anyone following:
>>
>> There seems to be enough eit data to keep Channel 4 HD scheduling going, just now& next but seems ok.
>>
>> Andre
>>
>>
> Have I got this right. The stream is active but the EPG has died/been killed???

The Freesat EPG has been stopped due to contractual dispute, the basic eit epg is still there (now & next) and the video transmission is still there exactly as it was, still unencrypted.

It means that official Freesat boxes can’t see the HD channel any more but ordinary satellite boxes and software like MythTV only loes the EPG, if you get EPG from schedules direct or some other xmltv source you wouldn’t know anything has changed.

Andre


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Re: Channel 4HD leaving Freesat EPG Tomorrow (UK) [ In reply to ]
---- On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:26:21 +0000 Andre MythTV <mythtv-list@dinkum.org.uk> wrote ----

> It means that official Freesat boxes can’t see the HD channel any more but ordinary satellite boxes and software like MythTV only loes the EPG, if you get EPG from schedules direct or some other xmltv source you wouldn’t know anything has changed.
>
> Andre
>

i use freesat with SD, C4HD has gone kaput and just filled with "to be announced"

yay, another thing on my list to fix :(

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Re: Channel 4HD leaving Freesat EPG Tomorrow (UK) [ In reply to ]
> On 4 Mar 2018, at 11:52, Tim Draper <veehexx@zoho.com> wrote:
>
>
> i use freesat with SD, C4HD has gone kaput and just filled with "to be announced"
>
> yay, another thing on my list to fix :(
>

Yes, I had the same issue, just copied the C4 xmltv id to the C4HD channel to fix.

Regards
Paul

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Re: Channel 4HD leaving Freesat EPG Tomorrow (UK) [ In reply to ]
On 04/03/18 12:26, Paul Raison wrote:
>> On 4 Mar 2018, at 11:52, Tim Draper <veehexx@zoho.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> i use freesat with SD, C4HD has gone kaput and just filled with "to be announced"
>>
>> yay, another thing on my list to fix :(
>>
> Yes, I had the same issue, just copied the C4 xmltv id to the C4HD channel to fix.
>
>
G'day all,

I only seem to have Channel 4 +1 in my SD output
Why is that, I am a bit stumped


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Re: Channel 4HD leaving Freesat EPG Tomorrow (UK) [ In reply to ]
On 05/03/18 11:55, stinga wrote:
> On 04/03/18 12:26, Paul Raison wrote:
>>> On 4 Mar 2018, at 11:52, Tim Draper <veehexx@zoho.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> i use freesat with SD, C4HD has gone kaput and just filled with "to
>>> be announced"
>>>
>>> yay, another thing on my list to fix :(
>>>
>> Yes, I had the same issue, just copied the C4 xmltv id to the C4HD
>> channel to fix.
>>
>>
> G'day all,
>
> I only seem to have Channel 4 +1 in my SD output
> Why is that, I am a bit stumped
>

My first thought was to check if they are both on the same mux - and for
me they are. Then I picked up the Oz references and realised that SD
didn't mean Standard Definition.

Location does matter. Over to someone else..

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Re: Channel 4HD leaving Freesat EPG Tomorrow (UK) [ In reply to ]
On 05/03/18 12:23, John Pilkington wrote:
> On 05/03/18 11:55, stinga wrote:
>> On 04/03/18 12:26, Paul Raison wrote:
>>>> On 4 Mar 2018, at 11:52, Tim Draper <veehexx@zoho.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i use freesat with SD, C4HD has gone kaput and just filled with "to
>>>> be announced"
>>>>
>>>> yay, another thing on my list to fix :(
>>>>
>>> Yes, I had the same issue, just copied the C4 xmltv id to the C4HD
>>> channel to fix.
>>>
>>>
>> G'day all,
>>
>> I only seem to have Channel 4 +1 in my SD output
>> Why is that, I am a bit stumped
>>
>
> My first thought was to check if they are both on the same mux - and
> for me they are.  Then I picked up the Oz references and realised that
> SD didn't mean Standard Definition.
>
> Location does matter.  Over to someone else..
>
Never mind,

I worked out what the issue was.
I was missing the entry in tv_grab_sd_json.conf.

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Re: Channel 4HD leaving Freesat EPG Tomorrow (UK) [ In reply to ]
---- On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 12:26:05 +0000 Paul Raison <paul@raison.org.uk> wrote ----
> > On 4 Mar 2018, at 11:52, Tim Draper <veehexx@zoho.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > i use freesat with SD, C4HD has gone kaput and just filled with "to be announced"
> >
> > yay, another thing on my list to fix :(
> >
>
> Yes, I had the same issue, just copied the C4 xmltv id to the C4HD channel to fix.
>
> Regards
> Paul
>
>
done, C4HD now working, thanks for the tip.
It's also given me the motivation to fix BBC1HD, and ITV+1, and also discovered that DAVE is now on freesat, so i think i can drop my dvb-t USB tuner now as all channels are on DVB-S2 now.

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