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Mythmusic folder view
Hello, I am trying to understand the new Mythmusic plugin.

I am on 0.26 and it is really hard to navigate in my music collection,
on 0.24 I use "directory" way to play my music, I have well structure
folders.

I read on the list something about the patch, is it really commited on
the source? I am using deb-multimedia repository and I can not find
the directory view.

I want to know if there is a working patch for this. If not, is there
any music plugin to use my storage structure to play the music files?

Thanks for your help.

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Re: Mythmusic folder view [ In reply to ]
On Dec 7, 2012 5:06 PM, "Josu Lazkano" <josu.lazkano@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello, I am trying to understand the new Mythmusic plugin.
>
> I am on 0.26 and it is really hard to navigate in my music collection,
> on 0.24 I use "directory" way to play my music, I have well structure
> folders.
>
> I read on the list something about the patch, is it really commited on
> the source? I am using deb-multimedia repository and I can not find
> the directory view.
>
> I want to know if there is a working patch for this. If not, is there
> any music plugin to use my storage structure to play the music files?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> --
> Josu Lazkano
> ______________________________________

I haven't upgraded to 0.26 yet, but this was one of the reasons I wanted
to. Does anybody know the answer?
Re: Mythmusic folder view [ In reply to ]
2012/12/8 Phil Bridges <gravityhammer@gmail.com>:
> I haven't upgraded to 0.26 yet, but this was one of the reasons I wanted to.
> Does anybody know the answer?
>

I have same problem, I upgrade to 0.26 but I don't really use very
much the mythmusic plugin. My father has a 0.24 version and he really
use music, so I can not upgrade yet before to be sure that the folder
view is working.

I will appreciate any help on this item.

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Re: Mythmusic folder view [ In reply to ]

>>I haven't upgraded to 0.26 yet, but this was one of the reasons I wanted to.
>>Does anybody know the answer?
>>
>>
>
>
>I have same problem, I upgrade to 0.26 but I don't really use very
>much the mythmusic plugin. My father has a 0.24 version and he really
>use music, so I can not upgrade yet before to be sure that the folder
>view is working.
>
>I will appreciate any help on this item.
>
>Kind regards.
>
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>
Folder view is working in 0.26. I still find the overall experience to
be not very intuitive, but folder view does in fact work.

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Re: Mythmusic folder view [ In reply to ]
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Josu Lazkano" <josu.lazkano@gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion about mythtv" <mythtv-users@mythtv.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 4:06:37 PM
> Subject: [mythtv-users] Mythmusic folder view
>
> Hello, I am trying to understand the new Mythmusic plugin.
>
> I am on 0.26 and it is really hard to navigate in my music
> collection,
> on 0.24 I use "directory" way to play my music, I have well structure
> folders.
>
> I read on the list something about the patch, is it really commited
> on
> the source? I am using deb-multimedia repository and I can not find
> the directory view.
>
> I want to know if there is a working patch for this. If not, is there
> any music plugin to use my storage structure to play the music files?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> --
> Josu Lazkano


I'm running .25, and for the life of me, I can't figure out how to play music. I can load the playlists (though it is NOT intuitive), but I can't start playing. The mythmusic Wiki http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythMusic still talks about the .24 and under version.

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On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Gerald Brandt <gbr@majentis.com> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Josu Lazkano" <josu.lazkano@gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion about mythtv" <mythtv-users@mythtv.org>
>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 4:06:37 PM
>> Subject: [mythtv-users] Mythmusic folder view
>>
>> Hello, I am trying to understand the new Mythmusic plugin.
>>
>> I am on 0.26 and it is really hard to navigate in my music
>> collection,
>> on 0.24 I use "directory" way to play my music, I have well structure
>> folders.
>>
>> I read on the list something about the patch, is it really commited
>> on
>> the source? I am using deb-multimedia repository and I can not find
>> the directory view.
>>
>> I want to know if there is a working patch for this. If not, is there
>> any music plugin to use my storage structure to play the music files?
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Kind regards.
>>
>> --
>> Josu Lazkano
>
>
> I'm running .25, and for the life of me, I can't figure out how to play music. I can load the playlists (though it is NOT intuitive), but I can't
> start playing. The mythmusic Wiki http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythMusic still talks about the .24 and under version.

here we go again...

yes, the wiki *really should be updated*, but there are countless
threads on the new MythMusic plugin in the mailing list, if you read
through them there conversation as to how the new plugin "works".

needless to say, many people have found workarounds with other music
playback systems launched from the main menu, which can also be found
by searching the mailing list.

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Re: Mythmusic folder view [ In reply to ]
2012/12/8 Steven Adeff <adeffs.mythtv@gmail.com>:
> here we go again...
>
> yes, the wiki *really should be updated*, but there are countless
> threads on the new MythMusic plugin in the mailing list, if you read
> through them there conversation as to how the new plugin "works".
>
> needless to say, many people have found workarounds with other music
> playback systems launched from the main menu, which can also be found
> by searching the mailing list.

Hello, thanks for the reply. I know that this is discussed many times,
but 0.26 mythmusic is very difficult for me to navigate into my music
collection.

Here is a 0.24 screenshot: http://oi49.tinypic.com/wqzplw.jpg
And here 0.26: http://oi45.tinypic.com/szzey0.jpg

I look for the squeezebox, but I never install this, I will appreciate
any help or your experience with large music collection navigation. It
will be great to have a plugin to navigate in folder view, as the
0.24.

Thanks all for your replies.

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Re: Mythmusic folder view [ In reply to ]
On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 17:33:35 -0000, Josu Lazkano <josu.lazkano@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Here is a 0.24 screenshot: http://oi49.tinypic.com/wqzplw.jpg
> And here 0.26: http://oi45.tinypic.com/szzey0.jpg
>
> I look for the squeezebox, but I never install this, I will appreciate
> any help or your experience with large music collection navigation. It
> will be great to have a plugin to navigate in folder view, as the
> 0.24.
>

As Scott said, the folder/directory patch is in 0.26/fixes at least. From
your screenshot, if you exit up one level, you should see a "Directory"
icon next to Genres, Compilations, Playlists etc.

That Gallery view looks good if you've got album art; the "Playlist Editor
- Tree" view is the much improved version of the 0.24 interface and is
better for navigating, particularly if you've got metadata set up.

Playing selected tracks is a bit strange - Play doesn't work but 'Next
Track' starts it going . I suspect a small bug.
Playing everything else is simple: 'Replace Tracks' to play immediately or
'Add Tracks' to play it after your current album/playlist/etc.

IMHO it does a complex job very well whilst working within the constraints
of the Myth UI.


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Re: Mythmusic folder view [ In reply to ]
2012/12/8 Roger Siddons <dizygotheca@ntlworld.com>:
> As Scott said, the folder/directory patch is in 0.26/fixes at least. From
> your screenshot, if you exit up one level, you should see a "Directory" icon
> next to Genres, Compilations, Playlists etc.
>
> That Gallery view looks good if you've got album art; the "Playlist Editor -
> Tree" view is the much improved version of the 0.24 interface and is better
> for navigating, particularly if you've got metadata set up.
>
> Playing selected tracks is a bit strange - Play doesn't work but 'Next
> Track' starts it going . I suspect a small bug.
> Playing everything else is simple: 'Replace Tracks' to play immediately or
> 'Add Tracks' to play it after your current album/playlist/etc.
>
> IMHO it does a complex job very well whilst working within the constraints
> of the Myth UI.

Thanks Roger, I got this: http://oi50.tinypic.com/2hyhxdk.jpg

It looks very well (similar to 0.24). The little problem is when I go
back to main menu and return to mythmusic, I have "Playlist View" and
I need to "Switch View" to go to "Playlist Editor - Tree". I think
that I will live with this.

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On 08/12/12 22:59, Roger Siddons wrote:
>
> Playing selected tracks is a bit strange - Play doesn't work but 'Next
> Track' starts it going . I suspect a small bug.
> Playing everything else is simple: 'Replace Tracks' to play
> immediately or 'Add Tracks' to play it after your current
> album/playlist/etc.
>

I'm curious In what way doesn't Play work? Seems to work fine here! Are
you saying when you press Play and you have tracks in the play queue it
doesn't toggle Play/Pause? On which view? Which widget has the focus?
Does it work while playing back video/recordings? Maybe I'm
misunderstanding what you want Play to do.

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>>
>>Playing selected tracks is a bit strange - Play doesn't work but
>>'Next Track' starts it going . I suspect a small bug.
>>Playing everything else is simple: 'Replace Tracks' to play
>>immediately or 'Add Tracks' to play it after your current
>>album/playlist/etc.
>>
>
>I'm curious In what way doesn't Play work? Seems to work fine here!
>Are you saying when you press Play and you have tracks in the play
>queue it doesn't toggle Play/Pause? On which view? Which widget has
>the focus? Does it work while playing back video/recordings? Maybe I'm
>misunderstanding what you want Play to do.
>
>Paul H.
Paul, it's the same "glitch" that has been brought up since the
beginning of the "revamp" with 0.25. There is no intuitive or even
remotely straight forward way to find a track and play it. From ANY
view other than the "current playlist", if you navigate beyond a
"container" (i.e. Artist, Album) to the track level, there is no option
to "add and play" (perhaps this is a theme issue? though I have yet to
find it available with any theme) and "Player Options -> Play" plays
the currently selected item in the "current playlist".....which,
depending on your theme, you can't see. However, if you select the
track, it gets added to the bottom of the "current playlist" and then
"Player Options -> Next Track" MAY play it if it's the next item in the
"current playlist"....which again, depending on your theme, you can't
see.

At the very minimum, there needs to be an option at the TRACK level to
"Add and play", which is only available from the "Search For Music
View" and (at least for me) crashes MythFrontend.

The fact that there is no real, simple way to find a track via simple
navigation isn't news, it has been brought up a million times. You
just keep telling all of us "works fine for me" and we're crazy.

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2012/12/9 Scott Harris <scott.harris0509@gmail.com>:
> Paul, it's the same "glitch" that has been brought up since the beginning of
> the "revamp" with 0.25. There is no intuitive or even remotely straight
> forward way to find a track and play it. From ANY view other than the
> "current playlist", if you navigate beyond a "container" (i.e. Artist,
> Album) to the track level, there is no option to "add and play" (perhaps
> this is a theme issue? though I have yet to find it available with any
> theme) and "Player Options -> Play" plays the currently selected item in the
> "current playlist".....which, depending on your theme, you can't see.
> However, if you select the track, it gets added to the bottom of the
> "current playlist" and then "Player Options -> Next Track" MAY play it if
> it's the next item in the "current playlist"....which again, depending on
> your theme, you can't see.
>
> At the very minimum, there needs to be an option at the TRACK level to "Add
> and play", which is only available from the "Search For Music View" and (at
> least for me) crashes MythFrontend.
>
> The fact that there is no real, simple way to find a track via simple
> navigation isn't news, it has been brought up a million times. You just
> keep telling all of us "works fine for me" and we're crazy.

I am agree with you, this very difficult to us to play our music
collection on a intuitive (folder view) way. Of course, the new
MythMusic developers did a great work with the plugin.

Is it possible to use the old (0.24) plugin on the 0.26 core? Or could
someone know how to use a easy folder view plugin or 3rd party
software on our Myth boxes?

I don't need any search or playlist option, I just want to navigate on
my music collection and play a folder (album) or a single song.

Thanks for your comments on this item.

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Re: Mythmusic folder view [ In reply to ]
On 09/12/12 14:23, Scott Harris wrote:

> At the very minimum, there needs to be an option at the TRACK level to
> "Add and play", which is only available from the "Search For Music
> View" and (at least for me) crashes MythFrontend.
>

If you can get me a backtrace I'll take a look at the crash.

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On 09/12/12 14:54, Josu Lazkano wrote:
> 2012/12/9 Scott Harris <scott.harris0509@gmail.com>:
>> Paul, it's the same "glitch" that has been brought up since the beginning of
>> the "revamp" with 0.25. There is no intuitive or even remotely straight
>> forward way to find a track and play it. From ANY view other than the
>> "current playlist", if you navigate beyond a "container" (i.e. Artist,
>> Album) to the track level, there is no option to "add and play" (perhaps
>> this is a theme issue? though I have yet to find it available with any
>> theme) and "Player Options -> Play" plays the currently selected item in the
>> "current playlist".....which, depending on your theme, you can't see.
>> However, if you select the track, it gets added to the bottom of the
>> "current playlist" and then "Player Options -> Next Track" MAY play it if
>> it's the next item in the "current playlist"....which again, depending on
>> your theme, you can't see.
>>
>> At the very minimum, there needs to be an option at the TRACK level to "Add
>> and play", which is only available from the "Search For Music View" and (at
>> least for me) crashes MythFrontend.
>>
>> The fact that there is no real, simple way to find a track via simple
>> navigation isn't news, it has been brought up a million times. You just
>> keep telling all of us "works fine for me" and we're crazy.
> I am agree with you, this very difficult to us to play our music
> collection on a intuitive (folder view) way. Of course, the new
> MythMusic developers did a great work with the plugin.
>
> Is it possible to use the old (0.24) plugin on the 0.26 core? Or could
> someone know how to use a easy folder view plugin or 3rd party
> software on our Myth boxes?
It would be possible but not very practical to get the 0.24 plugin
working because all the code for the old ui has been removed. It would
be easier to just use the new ui and adapt the new MythMusic to do what
you want. Most if not all of the logic is already there it just needs
someone to put the pieces together.

> I don't need any search or playlist option, I just want to navigate on
> my music collection and play a folder (album) or a single song.

There is a patch in trac that I've promised a few people I would have a
look at that may help you. http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10710.
> Thanks for your comments on this item.
>
> Regards.
>
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>

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2012/12/9 Paul Harrison <mythtv@sky.com>:
> It would be possible but not very practical to get the 0.24 plugin working
> because all the code for the old ui has been removed. It would be easier to
> just use the new ui and adapt the new MythMusic to do what you want. Most if
> not all of the logic is already there it just needs someone to put the
> pieces together.
>
>
>> I don't need any search or playlist option, I just want to navigate on
>> my music collection and play a folder (album) or a single song.
>
>
> There is a patch in trac that I've promised a few people I would have a look
> at that may help you. http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10710.
>
>> Thanks for your comments on this item.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
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>>
>
> Paul H.
>

Thanks Paul, I am not developer and I don't how to apply that patch, I
am using deb-multimedia packages. Will be this patch added to the
mythtv source?

Thanks for your help.

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Re: Mythmusic folder view [ In reply to ]
On 09/12/12 15:23, Josu Lazkano wrote:
> 2012/12/9 Paul Harrison <mythtv@sky.com>:
>>
>>> I don't need any search or playlist option, I just want to navigate on
>>> my music collection and play a folder (album) or a single song.
>>
>> There is a patch in trac that I've promised a few people I would have a look
>> at that may help you. http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10710.
>>
>>> Thanks for your comments on this item.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>> Paul H.
>>
> Thanks Paul, I am not developer and I don't how to apply that patch, I
> am using deb-multimedia packages. Will be this patch added to the
> mythtv source?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> --
> Josu Lazkano
>

I'm trying to make sense of the patches on the ticket just now. Once
I've decided exactly how it should work I'll commit it to my fork on
Github. Since I no longer have commit access to the MythTV git
repository what happens after that is out of my hands. I'll add a note
to the ticket that the change can be pulled from my fork and Stuart
Morgan will probably commit it to master which will become 0.27 if he is
happy with the changes. I doubt it will get backported to 0.26 so you
will probably have to wait for 0.27 unless there are deb-multimedia
packages for master.

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2012/12/9 Paul Harrison <mythtv@sky.com>:
> I'm trying to make sense of the patches on the ticket just now. Once I've
> decided exactly how it should work I'll commit it to my fork on Github.
> Since I no longer have commit access to the MythTV git repository what
> happens after that is out of my hands. I'll add a note to the ticket that
> the change can be pulled from my fork and Stuart Morgan will probably commit
> it to master which will become 0.27 if he is happy with the changes. I doubt
> it will get backported to 0.26 so you will probably have to wait for 0.27
> unless there are deb-multimedia packages for master.
>
>
> Paul H.

Thank you very much for your work and time.

Which is your fork on github? The patch will be for 0.26? once it is
ready I will try to pacht in deb-multimedia sources.

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Re: Mythmusic folder view [ In reply to ]
On 09/12/12 16:33, Josu Lazkano wrote:
> 2012/12/9 Paul Harrison <mythtv@sky.com>:
>> I'm trying to make sense of the patches on the ticket just now. Once I've
>> decided exactly how it should work I'll commit it to my fork on Github.
>> Since I no longer have commit access to the MythTV git repository what
>> happens after that is out of my hands. I'll add a note to the ticket that
>> the change can be pulled from my fork and Stuart Morgan will probably commit
>> it to master which will become 0.27 if he is happy with the changes. I doubt
>> it will get backported to 0.26 so you will probably have to wait for 0.27
>> unless there are deb-multimedia packages for master.
>>
>>
>> Paul H.
> Thank you very much for your work and time.
>
> Which is your fork on github? The patch will be for 0.26? once it is
> ready I will try to pacht in deb-multimedia sources.
>
> Thanks again and best regards.
>
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>

https://github.com/paul-h/mythtv

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Re: Mythmusic folder view [ In reply to ]
On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 10:30:05AM +0000, Paul Harrison wrote:
> On 08/12/12 22:59, Roger Siddons wrote:
> >
> >Playing selected tracks is a bit strange - Play doesn't work but
> >'Next Track' starts it going . I suspect a small bug.
> >Playing everything else is simple: 'Replace Tracks' to play
> >immediately or 'Add Tracks' to play it after your current
> >album/playlist/etc.
> >
>
> I'm curious In what way doesn't Play work? Seems to work fine here!
> Are you saying when you press Play and you have tracks in the play
> queue it doesn't toggle Play/Pause? On which view? Which widget has
> the focus? Does it work while playing back video/recordings? Maybe
> I'm misunderstanding what you want Play to do.
>
> Paul H.

I believe that Roger was referring to the PLAY button on the remote control.
That seems to be behaving just like SELECT. If you press the SKIP TRACK
button, the player does start playing. It would be nice if the PLAY button
on the remote would start playing...

So, if you enter the playlist editor with nothing currently in the play queue,
you can navigate to the desired artist/album/track/playlist/whatever, press
MENU->REPLACE TRACKS, then press PLAY and whatever you selected should start
playing right then. That might be enough to be "easy to use", if not obvious
at first.

Some solution to the problem of having to page for 30-40 seconds just to get
down the list of artists would be helpful too. The old scheme of having an
additional level to get the the first letter seemed to work well (and was
an option that could be enabled/disabled as needed.) That seems to be a
reasonable option, and is pretty obvious to the user.

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Re: Mythmusic folder view [ In reply to ]
On Dec 9, 2012 11:46 AM, "Paul Harrison" <mythtv@sky.com> wrote:
>
> On 09/12/12 16:33, Josu Lazkano wrote:
>>
>> 2012/12/9 Paul Harrison <mythtv@sky.com>:
>>>
>>> I'm trying to make sense of the patches on the ticket just now. Once
I've
>>> decided exactly how it should work I'll commit it to my fork on Github.
>>> Since I no longer have commit access to the MythTV git repository what
>>> happens after that is out of my hands. I'll add a note to the ticket
that
>>> the change can be pulled from my fork and Stuart Morgan will probably
commit
>>> it to master which will become 0.27 if he is happy with the changes. I
doubt
>>> it will get backported to 0.26 so you will probably have to wait for
0.27
>>> unless there are deb-multimedia packages for master.
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul H.
>>
>> Thank you very much for your work and time.
>>
>> Which is your fork on github? The patch will be for 0.26? once it is
>> ready I will try to pacht in deb-multimedia sources.
>>
>> Thanks again and best regards.
>>
>> --
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>>
>
> https://github.com/paul-h/mythtv
>
> Paul H.

Paul, would it be possible to have a setting to remove the metadata views
and just have the directory view? Or maybe a setting to let the user select
which views are shown?

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Re: Mythmusic folder view [ In reply to ]
On 09/12/12 17:19, marcus hall wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 10:30:05AM +0000, Paul Harrison wrote:
>> On 08/12/12 22:59, Roger Siddons wrote:
>>> Playing selected tracks is a bit strange - Play doesn't work but
>>> 'Next Track' starts it going . I suspect a small bug.
>>> Playing everything else is simple: 'Replace Tracks' to play
>>> immediately or 'Add Tracks' to play it after your current
>>> album/playlist/etc.
>>>
>> I'm curious In what way doesn't Play work? Seems to work fine here!
>> Are you saying when you press Play and you have tracks in the play
>> queue it doesn't toggle Play/Pause? On which view? Which widget has
>> the focus? Does it work while playing back video/recordings? Maybe
>> I'm misunderstanding what you want Play to do.
>>
>> Paul H.
> I believe that Roger was referring to the PLAY button on the remote control.
> That seems to be behaving just like SELECT. If you press the SKIP TRACK
> button, the player does start playing. It would be nice if the PLAY button
> on the remote would start playing...

Ah! I think I see what the confusion is. There is both a PLAY and a
PAUSE keybinding in MythMusic. PLAY is unbound in the Music context by
default and I think it should just start playback of the current track.
The PAUSE key toggles Play/Pause and is bound to 'P' by default. I know
that some lirc configs like the popular Hauppauge ones have the Play key
send the Return key which would explain what is happening. So it is more
a config issue not a bug. The fix would be to make sure lirc sends
something like Ctrl+P for the Play key and change the PLAY keybinding in
the Music context to Ctrl+P.

And before I start getting more abuse I didn't add the two keybindings.
I didn't even know there was a PLAY keybinding until I started to look
at the patches on ticket #10710.

> So, if you enter the playlist editor with nothing currently in the play queue,
> you can navigate to the desired artist/album/track/playlist/whatever, press
> MENU->REPLACE TRACKS, then press PLAY and whatever you selected should start
> playing right then. That might be enough to be "easy to use", if not obvious
> at first.

That is what the patches on #10710 do. The patches are a little buggy to
say the least but I'm sure they can be made to work.

> Some solution to the problem of having to page for 30-40 seconds just to get
> down the list of artists would be helpful too. The old scheme of having an
> additional level to get the the first letter seemed to work well (and was
> an option that could be enabled/disabled as needed.) That seems to be a
> reasonable option, and is pretty obvious to the user.

Myth is in the process of being dumbed down so another setting probably
wouldn't got down very well. I added a setting to disable animations
that didn't go down very well and ultimately led me to leave the project
so you have been warned :)

> marcus hall
> marcus@tuells.org
>

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Re: Mythmusic folder view [ In reply to ]
On 09/12/12 19:19, Steven Adeff wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2012 11:46 AM, "Paul Harrison" <mythtv@sky.com
> <mailto:mythtv@sky.com>> wrote:
> >
> > On 09/12/12 16:33, Josu Lazkano wrote:
> >>
> >> 2012/12/9 Paul Harrison <mythtv@sky.com <mailto:mythtv@sky.com>>:
> >>>
> >>> I'm trying to make sense of the patches on the ticket just now.
> Once I've
> >>> decided exactly how it should work I'll commit it to my fork on
> Github.
> >>> Since I no longer have commit access to the MythTV git repository what
> >>> happens after that is out of my hands. I'll add a note to the
> ticket that
> >>> the change can be pulled from my fork and Stuart Morgan will
> probably commit
> >>> it to master which will become 0.27 if he is happy with the
> changes. I doubt
> >>> it will get backported to 0.26 so you will probably have to wait
> for 0.27
> >>> unless there are deb-multimedia packages for master.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Paul H.
> >>
> >> Thank you very much for your work and time.
> >>
> >> Which is your fork on github? The patch will be for 0.26? once it is
> >> ready I will try to pacht in deb-multimedia sources.
> >>
> >> Thanks again and best regards.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Josu Lazkano
> >>
> >
> > https://github.com/paul-h/mythtv
> >
> > Paul H.
>
> Paul, would it be possible to have a setting to remove the metadata
> views and just have the directory view? Or maybe a setting to let the
> user select which views are shown?
>
>

Anything is possible but you'd have to ask the MythTV devs what they
think. They are trying to reduce the number of settings so I think the
answer will be no.

Paul H
Re: Mythmusic folder view [ In reply to ]
On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 08:21:59PM +0000, Paul Harrison wrote:
> Myth is in the process of being dumbed down so another setting
> probably wouldn't got down very well. I added a setting to disable
> animations that didn't go down very well and ultimately led me to
> leave the project so you have been warned :)

That is too bad.. To me, I would prefer that the behavior be very
configurable, but with sensible default settings so that things are
simple to get to a "mostly working" state. Perhaps having the basic
configuration together first, and everything else pushed to an "advanced
setting" set of pages, or something...

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Re: Mythmusic folder view [ In reply to ]
On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 10:30:05 -0000, Paul Harrison <mythtv@sky.com> wrote:

> On 08/12/12 22:59, Roger Siddons wrote:
>>
>> Playing selected tracks is a bit strange - Play doesn't work but 'Next
>> Track' starts it going . I suspect a small bug.
>> Playing everything else is simple: 'Replace Tracks' to play immediately
>> or 'Add Tracks' to play it after your current album/playlist/etc.
>>
>
> I'm curious In what way doesn't Play work? Seems to work fine here! Are
> you saying when you press Play and you have tracks in the play queue it
> doesn't toggle Play/Pause? On which view? Which widget has the focus?
> Does it work while playing back video/recordings? Maybe I'm
> misunderstanding what you want Play to do.
>
> Paul H.
> _______________________________________________

Sorry to have rattled the cage!

I don't think it's a key-binding issue as I can replicate with the menus.

To clarify my experience in both Tree & Gallery views (0.26/fixes);

- selecting an album/playlist/All Track/ etc: "Replace All" loads the
current playlist and starts playing first track. Pause/Play works fine -
perfectly intuitive IMO.

- selecting a track: track checkbox is ticked, track goes into (empty)
current playlist but doesn't play. Selecting Play via menu does nothing.
Selecting Next Track via menu starts playing the track. Thereafter
Pause/Play works fine.

- or, select several tracks (checkboxes ticked/ they go into empty
playlist), switch to Current Playlist view - there are no track status
icons (playing, paused, stopped) anywhere in the list. Up/Down/Left/Right
works normally switching widgets between inactive/selected inactive but
Menu/Play does nothing. Upon selecting the track (OK, Enter) a track goes
'selected active' and starts playing. Thereafter Pause/Play work fine.
Stop playing, switch view to editor and back again. The widgets appear the
same but a 'Stopped' track status is shown this time on one track. Play
works normally now.

This all concurs with the first paragraph of 10710.

My gut feeling was that putting a single track into an empty playlist
doesn't initialise the playlist properly so any attempt to Play fails.
However I play albums almost exclusively so I've never bothered to look at
the code, follow previous discussions or even analyse its behaviour in
detail until now.

FWIW I think you did a grand job on the rework. Many thanks from me.

My main irritation is the cluttered menus but I know that's a (reasonable)
Myth restriction.

Interesting to see your private repo. I haven't had time to look through
it. Is there an overview/summary of it's purpose and how it deviates from
the official ? I've sometimes wondered why there are no off-shoot
areas/repos for those who wish to extend/customise beyond the official
constraints.
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Re: Mythmusic folder view [ In reply to ]
On 10/12/12 01:24, Roger Siddons wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 10:30:05 -0000, Paul Harrison <mythtv@sky.com> wrote:
>
>> On 08/12/12 22:59, Roger Siddons wrote:
>>>
>>> Playing selected tracks is a bit strange - Play doesn't work but
>>> 'Next Track' starts it going . I suspect a small bug.
>>> Playing everything else is simple: 'Replace Tracks' to play
>>> immediately or 'Add Tracks' to play it after your current
>>> album/playlist/etc.
>>>
>>
>> I'm curious In what way doesn't Play work? Seems to work fine here!
>> Are you saying when you press Play and you have tracks in the play
>> queue it doesn't toggle Play/Pause? On which view? Which widget has
>> the focus? Does it work while playing back video/recordings? Maybe
>> I'm misunderstanding what you want Play to do.
>>
>> Paul H.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Sorry to have rattled the cage!
>

HeHe I'm cool with it honestly. I'm like a dog that's been kicked only
to come back for more :) I know that as soon as I say something on these
threads I will get an ear bashing but I still come back for more. I'm
only trying to be helpful. I'm saddened that some people don't have it
in their heart to see that :(

> I don't think it's a key-binding issue as I can replicate with the menus.
>

That's a shame I can actually reproduce that with the Hauppauge remote
using Jarod's lirc config that I downloaded from his Fedora web site
many moons ago!

> To clarify my experience in both Tree & Gallery views (0.26/fixes);
>
> - selecting an album/playlist/All Track/ etc: "Replace All" loads the
> current playlist and starts playing first track. Pause/Play works fine
> - perfectly intuitive IMO.
>
> - selecting a track: track checkbox is ticked, track goes into (empty)
> current playlist but doesn't play. Selecting Play via menu does
> nothing. Selecting Next Track via menu starts playing the track.
> Thereafter Pause/Play works fine.
>
> - or, select several tracks (checkboxes ticked/ they go into empty
> playlist), switch to Current Playlist view - there are no track status
> icons (playing, paused, stopped) anywhere in the list.
> Up/Down/Left/Right works normally switching widgets between
> inactive/selected inactive but Menu/Play does nothing. Upon selecting
> the track (OK, Enter) a track goes 'selected active' and starts
> playing. Thereafter Pause/Play work fine. Stop playing, switch view to
> editor and back again. The widgets appear the same but a 'Stopped'
> track status is shown this time on one track. Play works normally now.
>
> This all concurs with the first paragraph of 10710.
>
> My gut feeling was that putting a single track into an empty playlist
> doesn't initialise the playlist properly so any attempt to Play fails.
> However I play albums almost exclusively so I've never bothered to
> look at the code, follow previous discussions or even analyse its
> behaviour in detail until now.
>

OK thanks for the explanation. There is something funky going on there
I'll take a look at fixing it.

> FWIW I think you did a grand job on the rework. Many thanks from me.
>
> My main irritation is the cluttered menus but I know that's a
> (reasonable) Myth restriction.
>

The devs believe that most of what's available through keybindings
should also be available through the menus where appropriate for those
people who don't have huge remotes with lots of keys. It also means that
you can get rid of some of the obscure keybindings like press 1 to
change shuffle mode, 2 to change repeat mode etc. The keybindings are
still there for those that want that but the options are also available
through the menu which is much more user friendly IMHO.

> Interesting to see your private repo. I haven't had time to look
> through it. Is there an overview/summary of it's purpose and how it
> deviates from the official ? I've sometimes wondered why there are no
> off-shoot areas/repos for those who wish to extend/customise beyond
> the official constraints.

Last time I looked there was 90+ forks of the MythTV repo :) My fork is
mainly for my own personal use. I have committed some changes that
Stuart Morgan has cherry picked, mainly MythMusic stuff but most changes
are exclusive to my fork :) I can add stuff on there that might not be
to everyone's taste like the MythCenter theme changes or the Xmas-wide
theme or add stuff like the plugin to interface to my weather station
that's of no use to most people. There are some bug fixes and feature
enhancements that would be useful to others but trying to get them
committed to the main repo is a pain in the arse because I have to reply
on other devs taking an interest and cherry picking them so I tend not
to bother.

Paul H.

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