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I'm seeing the same thing, and I filter on the List-Id. From what I can tell,
my email reader (KMail) can't seem to understand the headers on his mail,
because it shows me the headers as part of the body. The interesting thing
is, KMail can still figure out that the email is from Orn.

Tom Panning

On Thursday 12 June 2003 05:00 pm, Dane Kantner wrote:
> this doesn't relate to myth, but really to the list. why do I keep
> receiving e-mails from Orn Hansen without a subject header (e.g.,
> [mythtv-users] foooo)... i have a filter set up to move [mythtv-users]
> subjects to a special folder, but all of his just end up in my inbox and
> lost... is this a bug in the list software?
> -dane
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Örn Hansen" <orn.hansen@swipnet.se>
> To: <mythtv-users@snowman.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:05 PM
>
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Message-Id: <200306122205.23247.orn.hansen@swipnet.se>
> > Subject: [mythtv-users] MythTV and the future
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> > I've successfully used MythTV here, both recorded TV shows (with sound
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> no=
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> > w,=20
> > thanks to tips from this list) and music, and over the web with MythWeb
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> and=
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> > =20
> > must say that I am immensely pleased with the application. It's
> > simply=20 superb.
> >
> > The moment I saw it, the thought "vcr/dvd of the future" went through
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> my=
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> > =20
> > mind. And I was imagining myself using my remote control to move
>
> between=20
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> > menu items, and doing selections ... recording on a built in hard drive,
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> > a=20
> > box that perhaps was something like a notebook in structure (to avoid
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> cooli=
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> > ng=20
> > problems), but still a vcr and I was browsing the image on the TV.
>
> Such=20
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> > dreams we sometimes have :-)
> >
> > Are there any plans for such a box in the making?
> >
> >
> > Orn
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At 04:00 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Dane Kantner wrote:
>this doesn't relate to myth, but really to the list. why do I keep
>receiving e-mails from Orn Hansen without a subject header (e.g.,
>[mythtv-users] foooo)... i have a filter set up to move [mythtv-users]
>subjects to a special folder, but all of his just end up in my inbox and
>lost... is this a bug in the list software?

It appears to be a problem at your end, or at least I do not see the same
thing here. The example you report below appears to be the message that
arrived here with these headers:

Envelope-to: ray@comarre.com
Delivery-date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:12:49 -0700
Received: from [66.93.83.236] (helo=relay.snowman.net)
by celine.comarre.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian))
id 19QYRE-000273-00
for <ray@comarre.com>; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:12:49 -0700
Received: from www.snowman.net (www.snowman.net [10.10.0.7])
by relay.snowman.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Debian-1) with ESMTP id
h5CK9SZY019602
(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL);
Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:11:28 -0400
Received: from www.snowman.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by www.snowman.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Debian-1) with ESMTP id
h5CK7PW7031127;
Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:07:43 -0400
Received: from relay.snowman.net (relay.snowman.net [10.10.0.6])
h5CK5RW6031104
(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL)
for <mythtv-users@www.snowman.net>; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:05:27 -0400
Received: from ns.snowman.net (ns.snowman.net [10.10.0.2])
h5CK5PZU019540
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Received: from citadel.sigtun.homelinux.net ([213.100.133.227])
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for <mythtv-users@snowman.net>; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:05:23 +0200
From: Örn Hansen <orn.hansen@swipnet.se>
Organization: N/A
To: mythtv-users@snowman.net
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:05:17 +0200
User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2
X-Face:
E_zcq`4tZ?pgKcXl2Vy?E.DsIl,aDED%mZEkq[i"_{2x`!#2uiyC(,`^P1u?ni#lDs+k4W.uCn!,W3ZKV0Tpu~p?jOKxKPUJnTZO%$^CW_2zcS\Nx2JJ0QlHJt,C#G+$YYcVcxf`%&@UT[q*4o5~Z>{WG]uJ--;VAJ31/$f`C}4D}F%cL~D<mh/>S6MiL@gNa:wG_Z`T@b])f~LA_0nj6eB&O.Z$~VM|~jX1073)G6i3r$Z=IZy~=I|%_1<t;nsUbmr3%N60Xq]0{enl21/K_\N$+h:LTO}NI{iDD%Q!iKAd
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-Id: <200306122205.23247.orn.hansen@swipnet.se>
Subject: [mythtv-users] MythTV and the future
X-BeenThere: mythtv-users@snowman.net
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1
Precedence: list
Reply-To: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users@snowman.net>

Note that a Subject: line is present, right below the X-Face header.
Perhaps the X-Face header is causing some sort of processing problem for
you locally?

All of the messages I have from this address have Subject: headers, though
some are above, others below the X-Face header.


>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Örn Hansen" <orn.hansen@swipnet.se>
>To: <mythtv-users@snowman.net>
>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:05 PM
>
>
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Message-Id: <200306122205.23247.orn.hansen@swipnet.se>
> > Subject: [mythtv-users] MythTV and the future
> > X-BeenThere: mythtv-users@snowman.net
> > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1
> > Precedence: list
> > Reply-To: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users@snowman.net>
> > List-Id: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users.snowman.net>
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><http://lists.snowman.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users>,
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><http://lists.snowman.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users>,
> > <mailto:mythtv-users-request@snowman.net?subject=subscribe>
> > Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
>boundary="===============048578644210242494=="
> > Sender: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
> > Errors-To: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
[rest deleted]

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I get the same thing when I'm using Outlook 2000, except in my case
mail from him and from Michael Pederson is doubly-enveloped. I get a
blank message, with an email attachment (shows up as an email icon in
Outlook), that has a .txt attachment in _it_ that has the actual
contents.

Aren't standards wonderful? (I don't doubt that this is drain
bramage on the Outlook side since it has plenty of other broken
things about it.)


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On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 04:00:41PM -0500, Dane Kantner wrote:
> this doesn't relate to myth, but really to the list. why do I keep
> receiving e-mails from Orn Hansen without a subject header (e.g.,
> [mythtv-users] foooo)... i have a filter set up to move [mythtv-users]
> subjects to a special folder, but all of his just end up in my inbox and
> lost... is this a bug in the list software?

It's Orn's X-Face header that is breaking things. I can read the emails
fine in mutt, but I checked in Outlook, and it doesn't handle them
properly:

X-Face:
E_zcq`4tZ?pgKcXl2Vy?E.DsIl,aDED%mZEkq[i"_{2x`!#2uiyC(,`^P1u?ni#lDs+k4W.uCn!,W3ZKV0Tpu~p?jOKxKPUJnTZO%$^CW_2zcS\Nx2JJ0QlHJt,C#G+$YYcVcxf`%&@UT[q*4o5~Z>{WG]uJ--;VAJ31/$f`C}4D}F%cL~D<mh/>S6MiL@gNa:wG_Z`T@b])f~LA_0nj6eB&O.Z$~VM|~jX1073)G6i3r$Z=IZy~=I|%_1<t;nsUbmr3%N60Xq]0{enl21/K_\N$+h:LTO}NI{iDD%Q!iKAd


It's probably that last line with a single tab that is throwing ignorant
mail clients off. I'd suggest that you talk to the mail client's
author about fixing the client or ask Orn to kindly shut off the X-Face
header for this mailing list.

Also, it's better to filter on "Return-Path:
<mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net>" or some such instead of subject
filtering. I'd suggest using the List-Id header, but that comes after
the X-Face header, so it would also not work.

-c

torsdag 12 juni 2003 23:27 skrev Tom Panning:
> I'm seeing the same thing, and I filter on the List-Id. From what I can
> tell, my email reader (KMail) can't seem to understand the headers on his
> mail, because it shows me the headers as part of the body. The interesting
> thing is, KMail can still figure out that the email is from Orn.
>

That's strange, because I'm using kmail too ... and the folder I keep the
email in is defined as a list folder. On the same subject, I too filter on
the List-Id and do get occasional email into my inbox. Most notably, my own,
which has made me wonder. Now I know why.

torsdag 12 juni 2003 23:30 skrev Ray Olszewski:
>
> Note that a Subject: line is present, right below the X-Face header.
> Perhaps the X-Face header is causing some sort of processing problem for
> you locally?
>
I've removed the X-Face header, so let's see if it is that what is causing
this.


Orn