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On 5 March 2017 at 23:44, Stephen Worthington <stephen_agent@jsw.gen.nz>
wrote:

> It looks as though TV3 have rebranded themselves some time last week,
> and are now known as Three. So the EPG for them has stopped working,
> and there is none on my MythTV boxes after Monday.


I am using the "Over the air" guide (EIT) and it is still working fine.
I probably should use the Channel Editor to update the name and icon.

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Stephen Worthington <
stephen_agent@jsw.gen.nz> wrote:

> It looks as though TV3 have rebranded themselves some time last week,
> and are now known as Three. So the EPG for them has stopped working,
> and there is none on my MythTV boxes after Monday. This also affects
> TV3 PLUS1 which has become ThreePlus1. Should we change the xmltv IDs
> for these channels, or just map the EPG data from the new name to the
> old xmltv IDs?
>

In tv_grab_nz-py data they are still called tv3.freeviewnz.tv and
tv3-plus1.freeviewnz.tv so if that is your data source, leave your xmltvid
as is. You can change the name of the channel from TV3 to Three in mythweb,
but who cares what the channel is called?

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Stephen Worthington <
> stephen_agent@jsw.gen.nz> wrote:
>
>> It looks as though TV3 have rebranded themselves some time last week,
>> and are now known as Three. So the EPG for them has stopped working,
>> and there is none on my MythTV boxes after Monday. This also affects
>> TV3 PLUS1 which has become ThreePlus1. Should we change the xmltv IDs
>> for these channels, or just map the EPG data from the new name to the
>> old xmltv IDs?
>>
>
> In tv_grab_nz-py data they are still called tv3.freeviewnz.tv and
> tv3-plus1.freeviewnz.tv so if that is your data source, leave your
> xmltvid as is. You can change the name of the channel from TV3 to Three in
> mythweb, but who cares what the channel is called?
>


Oh and they actually appear to be called +HR=e by the look of their logo.
Silly bunts.

I also use EIT - has always been hassle-free for me. Attached is the THREE
icon png - two sizes. Add these into the icons foldr as shown here (
http://shoelace.altervista.org/index-3.php#icons).
[image: Inline images 4]

On 6 March 2017 at 12:18, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Stephen Worthington <
> stephen_agent@jsw.gen.nz> wrote:
>
>> It looks as though TV3 have rebranded themselves some time last week,
>> and are now known as Three. So the EPG for them has stopped working,
>> and there is none on my MythTV boxes after Monday. This also affects
>> TV3 PLUS1 which has become ThreePlus1. Should we change the xmltv IDs
>> for these channels, or just map the EPG data from the new name to the
>> old xmltv IDs?
>>
>
> In tv_grab_nz-py data they are still called tv3.freeviewnz.tv and
> tv3-plus1.freeviewnz.tv so if that is your data source, leave your
> xmltvid as is. You can change the name of the channel from TV3 to Three in
> mythweb, but who cares what the channel is called?
>
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Totally see the +HR=E - /me shakes head....

On 06/03/2017 12:39, Karl - skooobie wrote:

> I also use EIT - has always been hassle-free for me. Attached is the THREE icon png - two sizes. Add these into the icons foldr as shown here (http://shoelace.altervista.org/index-3.php#icons).
>
> On 6 March 2017 at 12:18, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Stephen Worthington <stephen_agent@jsw.gen.nz> wrote:
> It looks as though TV3 have rebranded themselves some time last week,
> and are now known as Three. So the EPG for them has stopped working,
> and there is none on my MythTV boxes after Monday. This also affects
> TV3 PLUS1 which has become ThreePlus1. Should we change the xmltv IDs
> for these channels, or just map the EPG data from the new name to the
> old xmltv IDs?
>
> In tv_grab_nz-py data they are still called tv3.freeviewnz.tv [1] and tv3-plus1.freeviewnz.tv [2] so if that is your data source, leave your xmltvid as is. You can change the name of the channel from TV3 to Three in mythweb, but who cares what the channel is called?
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On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:21 PM Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Stephen Worthington <
> stephen_agent@jsw.gen.nz> wrote:
>
> It looks as though TV3 have rebranded themselves some time last week,
> and are now known as Three. So the EPG for them has stopped working,
> and there is none on my MythTV boxes after Monday. This also affects
> TV3 PLUS1 which has become ThreePlus1. Should we change the xmltv IDs
> for these channels, or just map the EPG data from the new name to the
> old xmltv IDs?
>
>
> In tv_grab_nz-py data they are still called tv3.freeviewnz.tv and
> tv3-plus1.freeviewnz.tv so if that is your data source, leave your
> xmltvid as is. You can change the name of the channel from TV3 to Three in
> mythweb, but who cares what the channel is called?
>
>
>
> Oh and they actually appear to be called +HR=e by the look of their logo.
> Silly bunts.
>

I had a look this morning and also found I had no listings for TV3 (or
Three). I downloaded http://epg.org.nz/freeview.xml.gz and I could see:

<channel id="tv3.freeviewnz.tv">
<display-name>Three</display-name>
</channel>
<channel id="tv3-plus1.freeviewnz.tv">
<display-name>ThreePlus1</display-name>
</channel>

But, there were no programs for these channel id's.

I've gone through the same process again this afternoon and now I can see
the listings, and they still have channel id tv3.freeviewnz.tv.

I ran mythfilldatabase and now I can see all the listings as normal.

I don't know who fixed it, but thank you.


David

I have been promoting MythTV as an alternative to TiVo on Geekzone.co.nz.

Unfortunately much of what I have said has been rebuffed. They seem to want
an off the shelf replacement which seems to me a bit weird on Geekzone.

This morning when someone said ".lack of a full 7 day EPG via standard EIT
data is what's limiting the alternatives."
I replied - "My MythTV setup is still receiving up to 8 days of EIT data."
to which he replied - "Depends on where you are getting it from. I can
guarantee it's not from the terrestrial EIT service."

I give up.



On 6 March 2017 at 12:39, Karl - skooobie <skooobie@gmail.com> wrote:

> I also use EIT - has always been hassle-free for me. Attached is the THREE
> icon png - two sizes. Add these into the icons foldr as shown here (
> http://shoelace.altervista.org/index-3.php#icons).
> [image: Inline images 4]
>
> On 6 March 2017 at 12:18, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Stephen Worthington <
>> stephen_agent@jsw.gen.nz> wrote:
>>
>>> It looks as though TV3 have rebranded themselves some time last week,
>>> and are now known as Three. So the EPG for them has stopped working,
>>> and there is none on my MythTV boxes after Monday. This also affects
>>> TV3 PLUS1 which has become ThreePlus1. Should we change the xmltv IDs
>>> for these channels, or just map the EPG data from the new name to the
>>> old xmltv IDs?
>>>
>>
>> In tv_grab_nz-py data they are still called tv3.freeviewnz.tv and
>> tv3-plus1.freeviewnz.tv so if that is your data source, leave your
>> xmltvid as is. You can change the name of the channel from TV3 to Three in
>> mythweb, but who cares what the channel is called?
>>
>>
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On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Robert Fisher <robert@fisher.net.nz> wrote:

> I have been promoting MythTV as an alternative to TiVo on Geekzone.co.nz.
>
> Unfortunately much of what I have said has been rebuffed. They seem to
> want an off the shelf replacement which seems to me a bit weird on Geekzone.
>
> This morning when someone said ".lack of a full 7 day EPG via standard
> EIT data is what's limiting the alternatives."
> I replied - "My MythTV setup is still receiving up to 8 days of EIT data."
> to which he replied - "Depends on where you are getting it from. I can
> guarantee it's not from the terrestrial EIT service."
>
> I give up.
>

Are you saying DVB-T now has 8 days EIT data. At one point EIT data was
now/next and the 7 day data was coming from MHEG.




>
>
>
> On 6 March 2017 at 12:39, Karl - skooobie <skooobie@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I also use EIT - has always been hassle-free for me. Attached is the
>> THREE icon png - two sizes. Add these into the icons foldr as shown here (
>> http://shoelace.altervista.org/index-3.php#icons).
>> [image: Inline images 4]
>>
>> On 6 March 2017 at 12:18, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Stephen Worthington <
>>> stephen_agent@jsw.gen.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It looks as though TV3 have rebranded themselves some time last week,
>>>> and are now known as Three. So the EPG for them has stopped working,
>>>> and there is none on my MythTV boxes after Monday. This also affects
>>>> TV3 PLUS1 which has become ThreePlus1. Should we change the xmltv IDs
>>>> for these channels, or just map the EPG data from the new name to the
>>>> old xmltv IDs?
>>>>
>>>
>>> In tv_grab_nz-py data they are still called tv3.freeviewnz.tv and
>>> tv3-plus1.freeviewnz.tv so if that is your data source, leave your
>>> xmltvid as is. You can change the name of the channel from TV3 to Three in
>>> mythweb, but who cares what the channel is called?
>>>
>>>
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On 6 March 2017 at 15:08, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Are you saying DVB-T now has 8 days EIT data. At one point EIT data was
> now/next and the 7 day data was coming from MHEG.
>
> Yep. I checked out Karl's page months ago when there was a small problem
> with tv_grab_nz-py and thought that I would give it a try.
>

It seems to work fine.

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On 06/03/17 15:01, Robert Fisher wrote:
> I have been promoting MythTV as an alternative to TiVo on
> Geekzone.co.nz <http://Geekzone.co.nz>.
>
> Unfortunately much of what I have said has been rebuffed. They seem to
> want an off the shelf replacement which seems to me a bit weird on
> Geekzone.
>
> This morning when someone said ".lack of a full 7 day EPG via standard
> EIT data is what's limiting the alternatives."
> I replied - "My MythTV setup is still receiving up to 8 days of EIT data."
> to which he replied - "Depends on where you are getting it from. I
> can guarantee it's not from the terrestrial EIT service."
>
> I give up.
>
Last time I checked (a few years back using dvbsnoop) the NZ EIT (Event
Information Table) was only one or two days. It is encoded differently
to the MHEG (Multimedia and Hypermedia Experts Group) EPG and carried in
a different part of the broadcast data stream. I believe your TV pulls
info from the EIT when you press the info button on your remote but it
pulls the 7 day EPG from the MHEG EPG data if you press guide. Makes
sense when you notice that info is instant but guide sometimes takes a
while to show because it's more data to download to the telly.

So I suspect the confusion is about EIT vs MHEG EPG which are different
beasts.

Can't check (broken system) if the EIT has been improved to cover 7
days. Anyone else up for some dvbsnooping? I think it's relatively easy
to find the PID which carries the EIT. I think it's standardized from
memory.

How about "my mythbox has been running for ~12 years, and isn't beholden
to a specific appliance supplier staying in business"

That said, its just TV and I probably wouldn't go to the effort of
replacing it if it died. Television just isn't that interesting.

Even my teenager has discovered youtube on his tablet and that's much more
involving.

On-demand playback and streaming will eventually replace all broadcast TV.

Another part of the reluctance comes from WAF / FAF / SOAF, and maybe
older geek users with brain ossification who just don't want to change.



Robert Fisher wrote:
> I have been promoting MythTV as an alternative to TiVo on Geekzone.co.nz.
>
> Unfortunately much of what I have said has been rebuffed. They seem to
> want an off the shelf replacement which seems to me a bit weird
> on Geekzone.
>
> This morning when someone said ".lack of a full 7 day EPG via standard EIT
> data is what's limiting the alternatives."
> I replied - "My MythTV setup is still receiving up to 8 days of EIT data."
> to which he replied - "Depends on where you are getting it from. I can
> guarantee it's not from the terrestrial EIT service."
>
> I give up.
>
>
>
> On 6 March 2017 at 12:39, Karl - skooobie <skooobie@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I also use EIT - has always been hassle-free for me. Attached is the
>> THREE
>> icon png - two sizes. Add these into the icons foldr as shown here (
>> http://shoelace.altervista.org/index-3.php#icons).
>> [image: Inline images 4]
>>
>> On 6 March 2017 at 12:18, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Stephen Worthington <
>>> stephen_agent@jsw.gen.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It looks as though TV3 have rebranded themselves some time last week,
>>>> and are now known as Three. So the EPG for them has stopped working,
>>>> and there is none on my MythTV boxes after Monday. This also affects
>>>> TV3 PLUS1 which has become ThreePlus1. Should we change the xmltv IDs
>>>> for these channels, or just map the EPG data from the new name to the
>>>> old xmltv IDs?
>>>>
>>>
>>> In tv_grab_nz-py data they are still called tv3.freeviewnz.tv and
>>> tv3-plus1.freeviewnz.tv so if that is your data source, leave your
>>> xmltvid as is. You can change the name of the channel from TV3 to Three
>>> in
>>> mythweb, but who cares what the channel is called?
>>>
>>>
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On 6 March 2017 at 15:22, David Moore <dmoo1790@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
> So I suspect the confusion is about EIT vs MHEG EPG which are different
> beasts.
>
> Can't check (broken system) if the EIT has been improved to cover 7 days.
> Anyone else up for some dvbsnooping? I think it's relatively easy to find
> the PID which carries the EIT. I think it's standardized from memory.
>

I am by no means an expert and I certainly do not know the details of how
different EPGs work.

What I can say for sure is that my Listings Grabber used to be "
tv_grab_nz-py"
but now it is "Over-the-air" guide (EIT)

and I have 7 to 8 days of info.

Karl???

On 6 March 2017 at 15:26, Criggie <criggie@criggie.org.nz> wrote:
>
> That said, its just TV and I probably wouldn't go to the effort of
> replacing it if it died. Television just isn't that interesting.
>

I find that having the choice to only watch what I want, without adds,
keeps my interest up.

Another part of the reluctance comes from WAF / FAF / SOAF, and maybe
> older geek users with brain ossification who just don't want to change.
>

What they do not seem to grasp though is the the WAF only relates to the
reliability and the Frontend (which IMHO is better than TiVo anyway)

On 6 March 2017 at 15:08, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Robert Fisher <robert@fisher.net.nz>
> wrote:
>
>> I have been promoting MythTV as an alternative to TiVo on Geekzone.co.nz.
>>
>> Unfortunately much of what I have said has been rebuffed. They seem to
>> want an off the shelf replacement which seems to me a bit weird on Geekzone.
>>
>> This morning when someone said ".lack of a full 7 day EPG via standard
>> EIT data is what's limiting the alternatives."
>> I replied - "My MythTV setup is still receiving up to 8 days of EIT
>> data."
>> to which he replied - "Depends on where you are getting it from. I can
>> guarantee it's not from the terrestrial EIT service."
>>
>> I give up.
>>
>
> Are you saying DVB-T now has 8 days EIT data. At one point EIT data was
> now/next and the 7 day data was coming from MHEG.
>
>
I have been getting 7 days of EIT data since Aug 2015

Cheers
Bruce

On 6 March 2017 at 15:52, Bruce Wilson <acaferacer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have been getting 7 days of EIT data since Aug 2015
>

Thanks Bruce. I thought that maybe I was missing something.

On 06/03/17 15:52, Bruce Wilson wrote:
>
>
> On 6 March 2017 at 15:08, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com
> <mailto:nick.rout@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Robert Fisher
> <robert@fisher.net.nz <mailto:robert@fisher.net.nz>> wrote:
>
> I have been promoting MythTV as an alternative to TiVo on
> Geekzone.co.nz <http://Geekzone.co.nz>.
>
> Unfortunately much of what I have said has been rebuffed. They
> seem to want an off the shelf replacement which seems to me a
> bit weird on Geekzone.
>
> This morning when someone said ".lack of a full 7 day EPG via
> standard EIT data is what's limiting the alternatives."
> I replied - "My MythTV setup is still receiving up to 8 days
> of EIT data."
> to which he replied - "Depends on where you are getting it
> from. I can guarantee it's not from the terrestrial EIT service."
>
> I give up.
>
>
> Are you saying DVB-T now has 8 days EIT data. At one point EIT
> data was now/next and the 7 day data was coming from MHEG.
>
>
> I have been getting 7 days of EIT data since Aug 2015
>
> Cheers
> Bruce
I fired up MythTV on my laptop and configured it to use the EIT as
listings grabber and indeed there _is_ 7 days of data in the EPG. Nice.
I wonder if there is any difference now between the data in the EIT and
the MHEG EPG?

On 6 March 2017 at 16:51, David Moore <dmoo1790@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> On 06/03/17 15:52, Bruce Wilson wrote:
>
>
>
> On 6 March 2017 at 15:08, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Robert Fisher <robert@fisher.net.nz>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have been promoting MythTV as an alternative to TiVo on Geekzone.co.nz.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately much of what I have said has been rebuffed. They seem to
>>> want an off the shelf replacement which seems to me a bit weird on Geekzone.
>>>
>>> This morning when someone said ".lack of a full 7 day EPG via standard
>>> EIT data is what's limiting the alternatives."
>>> I replied - "My MythTV setup is still receiving up to 8 days of EIT
>>> data."
>>> to which he replied - "Depends on where you are getting it from. I can
>>> guarantee it's not from the terrestrial EIT service."
>>>
>>> I give up.
>>
>>
>> Are you saying DVB-T now has 8 days EIT data. At one point EIT data was
>> now/next and the 7 day data was coming from MHEG.
>>
>
> I have been getting 7 days of EIT data since Aug 2015
>
> Cheers
> Bruce
>
> I fired up MythTV on my laptop and configured it to use the EIT as listings
> grabber and indeed there _is_ 7 days of data in the EPG. Nice. I wonder if
> there is any difference now between the data in the EIT and the MHEG EPG?
>

Hi David,
As you know, I was using mhegsnoop, but when I updated my system to
the latest debian. Something broke with retrieving the data from the
dvb-t stream, and I turned on the EIT data, and found 7 days! so I
have been too lazy to fix my mhegsnoop problem.

Cheers
Bruce

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I have been using mythtv with EIT for the past 4 years only dabbling with
Internet provided listings info. It has never failed to provide 7 days or
lack of any important info.

On 6/03/2017 17:22, "Bruce Wilson" <acaferacer@gmail.com> wrote:

On 6 March 2017 at 16:51, David Moore <dmoo1790@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> On 06/03/17 15:52, Bruce Wilson wrote:
>
>
>
> On 6 March 2017 at 15:08, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Robert Fisher <robert@fisher.net.nz>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have been promoting MythTV as an alternative to TiVo on Geekzone.co.nz
.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately much of what I have said has been rebuffed. They seem to
>>> want an off the shelf replacement which seems to me a bit weird on
Geekzone.
>>>
>>> This morning when someone said ".lack of a full 7 day EPG via standard
>>> EIT data is what's limiting the alternatives."
>>> I replied - "My MythTV setup is still receiving up to 8 days of EIT
>>> data."
>>> to which he replied - "Depends on where you are getting it from. I can
>>> guarantee it's not from the terrestrial EIT service."
>>>
>>> I give up.
>>
>>
>> Are you saying DVB-T now has 8 days EIT data. At one point EIT data was
>> now/next and the 7 day data was coming from MHEG.
>>
>
> I have been getting 7 days of EIT data since Aug 2015
>
> Cheers
> Bruce
>
> I fired up MythTV on my laptop and configured it to use the EIT as
listings
> grabber and indeed there _is_ 7 days of data in the EPG. Nice. I wonder if
> there is any difference now between the data in the EIT and the MHEG EPG?
>

Hi David,
As you know, I was using mhegsnoop, but when I updated my system to
the latest debian. Something broke with retrieving the data from the
dvb-t stream, and I turned on the EIT data, and found 7 days! so I
have been too lazy to fix my mhegsnoop problem.

Cheers
Bruce

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Robert F and I shared a few images of our respective schedules (mine with
EIT) and Robert's at the time with Schedules Direct, when it was trialed a
little while back. We found the differences to be trivial and amount of
days 7-8 too little to worry about. Meaning EIT (over the air delivered)
was sufficient for our needs. For interest here is a few pics between EIT
and Scheduels Direct. The grabbers show information levels in between the
two. So as you can see no real difference. The first images show the png
icons and how they display of further interest.


I'll send some follow up pics for Schedules Direct, daily mythfill and
Mythweb's replacement.



*EIT* (native in mythtv) =>

[image: Inline images 1]



I used to run a small python script I wrote to check the mythfill remaining
days and if it dropped below 5 it would email me and always wrote to a log
in any case. On checking the log it was never below 5 for well over a year
that I tested it and forgot about it. Then I checked and stopped the daily
cron.



Hope this helps

Karl

On 7 March 2017 at 06:06, Karl - skooobie <skooobie@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have been using mythtv with EIT for the past 4 years only dabbling with
> Internet provided listings info. It has never failed to provide 7 days or
> lack of any important info.
>
> On 6/03/2017 17:22, "Bruce Wilson" <acaferacer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 6 March 2017 at 16:51, David Moore <dmoo1790@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> > On 06/03/17 15:52, Bruce Wilson wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6 March 2017 at 15:08, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Robert Fisher <robert@fisher.net.nz>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have been promoting MythTV as an alternative to TiVo on
> Geekzone.co.nz.
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately much of what I have said has been rebuffed. They seem to
> >>> want an off the shelf replacement which seems to me a bit weird on
> Geekzone.
> >>>
> >>> This morning when someone said ".lack of a full 7 day EPG via standard
> >>> EIT data is what's limiting the alternatives."
> >>> I replied - "My MythTV setup is still receiving up to 8 days of EIT
> >>> data."
> >>> to which he replied - "Depends on where you are getting it from. I can
> >>> guarantee it's not from the terrestrial EIT service."
> >>>
> >>> I give up.
> >>
> >>
> >> Are you saying DVB-T now has 8 days EIT data. At one point EIT data was
> >> now/next and the 7 day data was coming from MHEG.
> >>
> >
> > I have been getting 7 days of EIT data since Aug 2015
> >
> > Cheers
> > Bruce
> >
> > I fired up MythTV on my laptop and configured it to use the EIT as
> listings
> > grabber and indeed there _is_ 7 days of data in the EPG. Nice. I wonder
> if
> > there is any difference now between the data in the EIT and the MHEG EPG?
> >
>
> Hi David,
> As you know, I was using mhegsnoop, but when I updated my system to
> the latest debian. Something broke with retrieving the data from the
> dvb-t stream, and I turned on the EIT data, and found 7 days! so I
> have been too lazy to fix my mhegsnoop problem.
>
> Cheers
> Bruce
>
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*Mythweb replacement (localhost:6544) =>*

[image: Inline images 1]

On 7 March 2017 at 07:32, Karl - skooobie <skooobie@gmail.com> wrote:

> *EIT Mythfill =>*
>
> [image: Inline images 1]
>
> On 7 March 2017 at 07:31, Karl - skooobie <skooobie@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *Schedules Direct =>*
>>
>> *[image: Inline images 1]*
>>
>> On 7 March 2017 at 07:31, Karl - skooobie <skooobie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Robert F and I shared a few images of our respective schedules (mine
>>> with EIT) and Robert's at the time with Schedules Direct, when it was
>>> trialed a little while back. We found the differences to be trivial and
>>> amount of days 7-8 too little to worry about. Meaning EIT (over the air
>>> delivered) was sufficient for our needs. For interest here is a few pics
>>> between EIT and Scheduels Direct. The grabbers show information levels in
>>> between the two. So as you can see no real difference. The first images
>>> show the png icons and how they display of further interest.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll send some follow up pics for Schedules Direct, daily mythfill and
>>> Mythweb's replacement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *EIT* (native in mythtv) =>
>>>
>>> [image: Inline images 1]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I used to run a small python script I wrote to check the mythfill
>>> remaining days and if it dropped below 5 it would email me and always wrote
>>> to a log in any case. On checking the log it was never below 5 for well
>>> over a year that I tested it and forgot about it. Then I checked and
>>> stopped the daily cron.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope this helps
>>>
>>> Karl
>>>
>>> On 7 March 2017 at 06:06, Karl - skooobie <skooobie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been using mythtv with EIT for the past 4 years only dabbling
>>>> with Internet provided listings info. It has never failed to provide 7 days
>>>> or lack of any important info.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/03/2017 17:22, "Bruce Wilson" <acaferacer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 6 March 2017 at 16:51, David Moore <dmoo1790@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>>>> > On 06/03/17 15:52, Bruce Wilson wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 6 March 2017 at 15:08, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Robert Fisher <robert@fisher.net.nz>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I have been promoting MythTV as an alternative to TiVo on
>>>> Geekzone.co.nz.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Unfortunately much of what I have said has been rebuffed. They seem
>>>> to
>>>> >>> want an off the shelf replacement which seems to me a bit weird on
>>>> Geekzone.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> This morning when someone said ".lack of a full 7 day EPG via
>>>> standard
>>>> >>> EIT data is what's limiting the alternatives."
>>>> >>> I replied - "My MythTV setup is still receiving up to 8 days of EIT
>>>> >>> data."
>>>> >>> to which he replied - "Depends on where you are getting it from. I
>>>> can
>>>> >>> guarantee it's not from the terrestrial EIT service."
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I give up.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Are you saying DVB-T now has 8 days EIT data. At one point EIT data
>>>> was
>>>> >> now/next and the 7 day data was coming from MHEG.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > I have been getting 7 days of EIT data since Aug 2015
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers
>>>> > Bruce
>>>> >
>>>> > I fired up MythTV on my laptop and configured it to use the EIT as
>>>> listings
>>>> > grabber and indeed there _is_ 7 days of data in the EPG. Nice. I
>>>> wonder if
>>>> > there is any difference now between the data in the EIT and the MHEG
>>>> EPG?
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Hi David,
>>>> As you know, I was using mhegsnoop, but when I updated my system to
>>>> the latest debian. Something broke with retrieving the data from the
>>>> dvb-t stream, and I turned on the EIT data, and found 7 days! so I
>>>> have been too lazy to fix my mhegsnoop problem.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Is there a difference in the number of days provided by the EIT over
terrestrial and satellite?

Sorry, that sentence is a little difficult to parse.

I use the EPG.org.nz info, but always leave "use EIT" box checked. When I
was using satellite cards I recall the EIT being insufficient, but there
seems to be plenty on the terrestrial feed.

This is all very vague and anecdotal, but it might account for some
confusion.

Rory

On 7/03/2017 07:31, "Karl - skooobie" <skooobie@gmail.com> wrote:

> Robert F and I shared a few images of our respective schedules (mine with
> EIT) and Robert's at the time with Schedules Direct, when it was trialed a
> little while back. We found the differences to be trivial and amount of
> days 7-8 too little to worry about. Meaning EIT (over the air delivered)
> was sufficient for our needs. For interest here is a few pics between EIT
> and Scheduels Direct. The grabbers show information levels in between the
> two. So as you can see no real difference. The first images show the png
> icons and how they display of further interest.
>
>
> I'll send some follow up pics for Schedules Direct, daily mythfill and
> Mythweb's replacement.
>
>
>
> *EIT* (native in mythtv) =>
>
> [image: Inline images 1]
>
>
>
> I used to run a small python script I wrote to check the mythfill
> remaining days and if it dropped below 5 it would email me and always wrote
> to a log in any case. On checking the log it was never below 5 for well
> over a year that I tested it and forgot about it. Then I checked and
> stopped the daily cron.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Karl
>
> On 7 March 2017 at 06:06, Karl - skooobie <skooobie@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have been using mythtv with EIT for the past 4 years only dabbling with
>> Internet provided listings info. It has never failed to provide 7 days or
>> lack of any important info.
>>
>> On 6/03/2017 17:22, "Bruce Wilson" <acaferacer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 6 March 2017 at 16:51, David Moore <dmoo1790@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>> > On 06/03/17 15:52, Bruce Wilson wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 6 March 2017 at 15:08, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Robert Fisher <robert@fisher.net.nz>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I have been promoting MythTV as an alternative to TiVo on
>> Geekzone.co.nz.
>> >>>
>> >>> Unfortunately much of what I have said has been rebuffed. They seem to
>> >>> want an off the shelf replacement which seems to me a bit weird on
>> Geekzone.
>> >>>
>> >>> This morning when someone said ".lack of a full 7 day EPG via standard
>> >>> EIT data is what's limiting the alternatives."
>> >>> I replied - "My MythTV setup is still receiving up to 8 days of EIT
>> >>> data."
>> >>> to which he replied - "Depends on where you are getting it from. I
>> can
>> >>> guarantee it's not from the terrestrial EIT service."
>> >>>
>> >>> I give up.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Are you saying DVB-T now has 8 days EIT data. At one point EIT data was
>> >> now/next and the 7 day data was coming from MHEG.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I have been getting 7 days of EIT data since Aug 2015
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Bruce
>> >
>> > I fired up MythTV on my laptop and configured it to use the EIT as
>> listings
>> > grabber and indeed there _is_ 7 days of data in the EPG. Nice. I wonder
>> if
>> > there is any difference now between the data in the EIT and the MHEG
>> EPG?
>> >
>>
>> Hi David,
>> As you know, I was using mhegsnoop, but when I updated my system to
>> the latest debian. Something broke with retrieving the data from the
>> dvb-t stream, and I turned on the EIT data, and found 7 days! so I
>> have been too lazy to fix my mhegsnoop problem.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Bruce
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>
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On 7 March 2017 at 07:41, Rory Grant <rorzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there a difference in the number of days provided by the EIT over
> terrestrial and satellite?
>
> Sorry, that sentence is a little difficult to parse.
>
> I use the EPG.org.nz info, but always leave "use EIT" box checked. When I
> was using satellite cards I recall the EIT being insufficient, but there
> seems to be plenty on the terrestrial feed.
>
> This is all very vague and anecdotal, but it might account for some
> confusion.
>
> Rory
>
> On 7/03/2017 07:31, "Karl - skooobie" <skooobie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Robert F and I shared a few images of our respective schedules (mine with
>> EIT) and Robert's at the time with Schedules Direct, when it was trialed a
>> little while back. We found the differences to be trivial and amount of days
>> 7-8 too little to worry about. Meaning EIT (over the air delivered) was
>> sufficient for our needs. For interest here is a few pics between EIT and
>> Scheduels Direct. The grabbers show information levels in between the two.
>> So as you can see no real difference. The first images show the png icons
>> and how they display of further interest.
>>
>>
>> I'll send some follow up pics for Schedules Direct, daily mythfill and
>> Mythweb's replacement.
>>
>>
>>

Wow. Just tried DVB-T EIT instead of the good ol' trusty
XMLTV/tv_grab_nz-py combo.

Impressive - there's a 7 full days of data in the programme guide for
all my channels, including the ones previously unserved i.e. Apna, Te
Reo, Bravo Plus 1 et al. My OCD about not haivng missing channel data
is eased.

It's been a good run, XMLTV, but looks like EIT has finally matured.

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On 07/03/17 21:04, Curtis Walker wrote:
> Wow. Just tried DVB-T EIT instead of the good ol' trusty
> XMLTV/tv_grab_nz-py combo.
> Impressive - there's a 7 full days of data in the programme guide for
> all my channels, including the ones previously unserved i.e. Apna, Te
> Reo, Bravo Plus 1 et al. My OCD about not haivng missing channel data
> is eased.
>
> It's been a good run, XMLTV, but looks like EIT has finally matured.
Depends - are you massaging the data to remove "New " or "All New" from
the front of program names?
Or various misspellings and other tweaks ?


--
Criggie

http://criggie.org.nz/

On 7 March 2017 at 21:53, criggie <criggie@criggie.org.nz> wrote:
> On 07/03/17 21:04, Curtis Walker wrote:
>
> Wow. Just tried DVB-T EIT instead of the good ol' trusty XMLTV/tv_grab_nz-py
> combo.
>
> Impressive - there's a 7 full days of data in the programme guide for
> all my channels, including the ones previously unserved i.e. Apna, Te
> Reo, Bravo Plus 1 et al. My OCD about not having missing channel data
> is eased.
>
> It's been a good run, XMLTV, but looks like EIT has finally matured.
>
> Depends - are you massaging the data to remove "New " or "All New" from the
> front of program names?
> Or various misspellings and other tweaks ?
>
>
> --
> Criggie
>
> http://criggie.org.nz/

Heh. No, I guess you choose your poison (unneccessary addendums and
inaccuracies vs incompleteness). I haven't personally yet found this
to be a problem, and don't record that much stuff - although I'm only
1 hour into the EIT data. If I do get OCD over the "new" and "all new"
bollocks there's always the rabbit hole of mhegsnoop and script fixes.
Blue pill, red pill. Either way it's nice to have another choice in
the matter.

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