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> This release will be the YFTVNZ release.

I get the last four chars, but not sure on the others...

You Found
Yeah, F***
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Your Finger
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On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 22:45 +1300, criggie@criggie.dyndns.org wrote:
> > This release will be the YFTVNZ release.

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On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:07:44 +1300
Drew Whittle <talk@mr.geek.nz> wrote:

>
> Sorry for the delay folks, I'm almost ready to go....shouldn't be more
> than a couple more days at most...I've been very busy lately, websites
> to manage, work to do, conferences to organise!
>
> Anyhow the unencumbered epg service is nearly here and it will need
> _YOU_ to make it work

Ready and awaiting orders maestro

> ....details soon...I pwomise...
>
> This release will be the YFTVNZ release.
>

I can only begin to imagine what that may stand for!

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On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Barry Clearwater
<barryc@bcsystems.co.nz> wrote:
> Am I right in assuming that someone who uses only DVB-T  can only get
> 2 days of data from the EPG?
> I get mine from satellite, and haven't plugged my HD receiver card in yet.

You can only get two days (or so) from EIT. BUT:

1. the data is essentially the same as for the satellite feeds (bar a
couple of channels) so use your exiting data source; or

2. There is a method (present status unknown to me, search the
archives) to get the info from MHEG, which is the method Freeview
DVB-T distrbutes its EPG info.

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> Am I right in assuming that someone who uses only DVB-T can only get
> 2 days of data from the EPG?

Not exactly.

One of the nice things about MythTV is the ability to separate the
listings source from the actual viewing source. You can still get your
listings from where you normally do but use these for the DVB-T
channels.

Long(ish) range DVB-T listings data in NZ is not transmitted via EIT
like on DVB-S, but rather in a proprietary MHEG5 container. There have
been projects discussed on this list before on how to extract the data
from this, so it is possible if you wanted to go that route.

Personally I use epgnsoop to grab the listings data off the satellite
and then use this data on all my sources including DVB-T.

There are a number of options for listings but several ways are (in no
particular order):

* Downloading listings off the web (eg nzepg.org)
* Grabbing data from DVB-S using epgsnoop and friends
* Extracted MHEG5 data from DVB-T


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On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Ross Williamson <ross@inertia.net.nz> wrote:

>
> > Am I right in assuming that someone who uses only DVB-T can only get
> > 2 days of data from the EPG?
>
>
> I have only noticed EIT to contain program info in the last 2 hours? Or
have I got this wrong?

Rama

> > Am I right in assuming that someone who uses only DVB-T can only get
> > 2 days of data from the EPG?
> I have only noticed EIT to contain program info in the last 2 hours? Or
> have I got this wrong?

On DVB-T the EIT data is very limited, as far as I know it only shows
the current programme and the next programme. The full data is in MHEG5.


Ross

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>>      > Am I right in assuming that someone who uses only DVB-T  can only get
>>      > 2 days of data from the EPG?
>> I have only noticed EIT to contain program info in the last 2 hours?  Or
>> have I got this wrong?
>
> On DVB-T the EIT data is very limited, as far as I know it only shows
> the current programme and the next programme. The full data is in MHEG5.

I'm guessing that most people just use the XMLTV data from nzepg.org.
For me, feeding and watering an MHEG5 scraper would be an exercise in
WAF reduction.

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On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Jonathan Hoskin
<jonathan.hoskin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>      > Am I right in assuming that someone who uses only DVB-T  can only get
>>>      > 2 days of data from the EPG?
>>> I have only noticed EIT to contain program info in the last 2 hours?  Or
>>> have I got this wrong?
>>
>> On DVB-T the EIT data is very limited, as far as I know it only shows
>> the current programme and the next programme. The full data is in MHEG5.
>
> I'm guessing that most people just use the XMLTV data from nzepg.org.
> For me, feeding and watering an MHEG5 scraper would be an exercise in
> WAF reduction.

Certainly the tv_grab_nz-py script that downloads from nzepg.org is
(IMHO) the easiest way to go, but either should be fully automated
once set up. The W shouldn't even know or care how the data gets
there.


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>> I'm guessing that most people just use the XMLTV data from nzepg.org.
>> For me, feeding and watering an MHEG5 scraper would be an exercise in
>> WAF reduction.
>
> Certainly the tv_grab_nz-py script that downloads from nzepg.org is
> (IMHO) the easiest way to go, but either should be fully automated
> once set up. The W shouldn't even know or care how the data gets
> there.

I would tend to agree. The only issues would arise if the box in
question did not have access to the Internet, although even when you
grab the listings yourself having an Internet connection greatly
improves the quality of the data (with the numerous processors
available.)

I do grab the data using epgsnoop but I use that data to feed a number
of MythTV systems, and I also grab data from other satellites where
available. I also grab data for a certain pay TV operator which is not
available from nzepg.org (for obvious reasons.)

If you have a DVB-T only system and an Internet connection nzepg.org
for your listings source would seem to be the way to go.

Ross

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On 7 October 2010 13:06, Ross Williamson <ross@inertia.net.nz> wrote:
>
>> Am I right in assuming that someone who uses only DVB-T  can only get
>> 2 days of data from the EPG?
>
> Not exactly.
>
> One of the nice things about MythTV is the ability to separate the
> listings source from the actual viewing source. You can still get your
> listings from where you normally do but use these for the DVB-T
> channels.
>
> Long(ish) range DVB-T listings data in NZ is not transmitted via EIT
> like on DVB-S, but rather in a proprietary MHEG5 container. There have
> been projects discussed on this list before on how to extract the data
> from this, so it is possible if you wanted to go that route.
>
> Personally I use epgnsoop to grab the listings data off the satellite
> and then use this data on all my sources including DVB-T.
>
> There are a number of options for listings but several ways are (in no
> particular order):
>
> * Downloading listings off the web (eg nzepg.org)
> * Grabbing data from DVB-S using epgsnoop and friends
> * Extracted MHEG5 data from DVB-T
>
>
> Ross

Right, but mythtv is currently not automatically extracting MGEG5
data, and the person I'm enquiring for has no dish.
so we need a permanent internet connection. Given the traffic that
discussing nzepg.org and
tv_grab_nz-py generate, is it safe to say its a reliable long term
script or will it as Jonathan puts it need "feeding and watering"
or is that minimal, eg once or twice a year?

Barry Clearwater


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> Right, but mythtv is currently not automatically extracting MGEG5
> data, and the person I'm enquiring for has no dish.
> so we need a permanent internet connection. Given the traffic that
> discussing nzepg.org and
> tv_grab_nz-py generate, is it safe to say its a reliable long term
> script or will it as Jonathan puts it need "feeding and watering"
> or is that minimal, eg once or twice a year?

That will be the least maintenance option.

Any form of direct grabbing is going to require considerably more
maintenance over the course of a year than tv_grab_nz-py.

The only time any maintenance is going to be required with
tv_grab_nz-py is if the site with the listings changes, which only tends
to happen when a certain pay TV operator goes on a legal rampage. If
past experiences are anything to go by, this should be _less_ than once
or twice a year.

The volunteer running nzepg.org appears to keep it reasonably well
maintained so usually any issues that arise are sorted before they
become an issue (eg missing guide data is sorted before most people will
have run out of it - assuming a once per day grab.)

Ross

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>> Right, but mythtv is currently not automatically extracting MGEG5
>> data, and the person I'm enquiring for  has no dish.
>> so we need a permanent internet connection. Given the traffic that
>> discussing nzepg.org and
>> tv_grab_nz-py generate, is it safe to say its a reliable long term
>> script or will it as Jonathan puts it need "feeding and watering"
>> or is that minimal, eg once or twice a year?
>
> That will be the least maintenance option.

I agree, using tv_grab_nz has been super reliable for me. My gardening
references were aimed at implementing an MHEG5 scraper, which while
I'm sure some list members are quite happy doing it, has more moving
parts involved.

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On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Jonathan Hoskin
<jonathan.hoskin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Right, but mythtv is currently not automatically extracting MGEG5
>>> data, and the person I'm enquiring for  has no dish.
>>> so we need a permanent internet connection. Given the traffic that
>>> discussing nzepg.org and
>>> tv_grab_nz-py generate, is it safe to say its a reliable long term
>>> script or will it as Jonathan puts it need "feeding and watering"
>>> or is that minimal, eg once or twice a year?
>>
>> That will be the least maintenance option.
>
> I agree, using tv_grab_nz has been super reliable for me.

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On Tue, October 12, 2010 20:52, Jonathan Hoskin wrote:
> I agree, using tv_grab_nz has been super reliable for me. My gardening
> references were aimed at implementing an MHEG5 scraper, which while
> I'm sure some list members are quite happy doing it, has more moving
> parts involved.
>

If you don't want to use a scraping site, you can use the MHEG-5 converter
that I wrote. This is NOT a scraper or service, it converts MHEG-5 data
dumped from the DVB-T stream. The trade-off is that it doesn't have as
much detail such as show category.

However, it provides 7 days worth of listings, HD/Surround
sound/captions/freeview rating flags, descriptions, title and a unique
episode + series reference numbers. It does not need a internet
connection as it works completely offline. It has limited support for
matching categories that is provided in a local file. It matches based on
series ID or title, then sets the categories listed in the file. This
means you need to update the file with the new series name/ID and what
categories you want manually.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/mheg2xmltv/

Cheers,
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On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 09:16 +1300, Solor Vox wrote:
> If you don't want to use a scraping site,

tv_grab_nz-py is not a scraping site.

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On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Stephen Worthington
> <stephen_agent@jsw.gen.nz> wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:07:31 +1300, you wrote:
>>
>>>Just a quick note, has the on line epg source got a problem as my data
>>>stops on Sunday or is it just my box.
>>>Stu
>>
>> I have the same problem.  The FreeviewHD EPG is stopping around
>> midnight on Sunday.
>
> These reports are a little brief on detail. Where are you getting your
> data from? I am using tv_grab_nz-py and have the same problem.
>

Here is the result of a manual mythfilldatabase - it seems there is no new data:

nick@media:~$ mythfilldatabase
2011-03-31 08:01:24.287 Using runtime prefix = /usr
2011-03-31 08:01:24.287 Using configuration directory = /home/nick/.mythtv
2011-03-31 08:01:24.289 Empty LocalHostName.
2011-03-31 08:01:24.290 Using localhost value of media
2011-03-31 08:01:24.350 New DB connection, total: 1
2011-03-31 08:01:24.359 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
2011-03-31 08:01:24.377 Closing DB connection named 'DBManager0'
2011-03-31 08:01:24.378 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
2011-03-31 08:01:24.384 Current locale en_NZ
2011-03-31 08:01:24.384 No locale defaults file for en_NZ, skipping
2011-03-31 08:01:24.398 Loading en_us translation for module mythfrontend
2011-03-31 08:01:24.436 Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1264
2011-03-31 08:01:24.443 New DB connection, total: 2
2011-03-31 08:01:24.444 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
2011-03-31 08:01:24.865 Updating source #1 (Freeview) with grabber tv_grab_nz-py
2011-03-31 08:01:24.866 Found 20 channels for source 1 which use grabber
2011-03-31 08:01:25.298 Grabber has capabilities: baseline
manualconfig preferredmethod cache
2011-03-31 08:01:25.423 Grabber prefers method: allatonce
2011-03-31 08:01:25.434 New DB connection, total: 3
2011-03-31 08:01:25.435 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
2011-03-31 08:01:25.435 XMLTV config file is: /home/nick/.mythtv/Freeview.xmltv
2011-03-31 08:01:25.436 New DB connection, total: 4
2011-03-31 08:01:25.436 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
2011-03-31 08:01:27.019 New DB connection, total: 5
2011-03-31 08:01:27.020 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
2011-03-31 08:01:27.199 New DB connection, total: 6
2011-03-31 08:01:27.199 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
2011-03-31 08:01:27.813 Server returned an error status code 404 for
url: http://nzepg.org/logos/u.jpg
2011-03-31 08:01:27.815 Failed to fetch icon from 'http://nzepg.org/logos/u.jpg'
2011-03-31 08:01:27.827 IconData: Updating icons for sourceid: 1
2011-03-31 08:01:30.687 Updated programs: 2 Unchanged programs: 1718
2011-03-31 08:01:30.726 Data fetching complete.
2011-03-31 08:01:30.726 Adjusting program database end times.
2011-03-31 08:01:30.790 0 replacements made
2011-03-31 08:01:30.790 Marking generic episodes.
2011-03-31 08:01:30.860 Found 0
2011-03-31 08:01:30.860 Fudging non-unique programids with multiple parts.
2011-03-31 08:01:30.876 Found 0
2011-03-31 08:01:30.876 Marking repeats.
2011-03-31 08:01:30.916 Found 0
2011-03-31 08:01:30.916 Unmarking new episode rebroadcast repeats.
2011-03-31 08:01:30.918 Found 0
2011-03-31 08:01:31.119 Marking episode first showings.
2011-03-31 08:01:34.103 Found 1755
2011-03-31 08:01:34.103 Marking episode last showings.
2011-03-31 08:01:36.666 Found 1755
2011-03-31 08:01:36.670
===============================================================
| Attempting to contact the master backend for rescheduling. |
| If the master is not running, rescheduling will happen when |
| the master backend is restarted. |
===============================================================
2011-03-31 08:01:36.677 MythCoreContext: Connecting to backend server:
192.168.1.11:6543 (try 1 of 1)
2011-03-31 08:01:36.679 Using protocol version 63
2011-03-31 08:01:36.738 Received a remote 'Clear Cache' request
2011-03-31 08:01:37.743 mythfilldatabase run complete.
2011-03-31 08:01:37.775 DataDirect: Deleting temporary files

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On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Stephen Worthington
>> <stephen_agent@jsw.gen.nz> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:07:31 +1300, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>Just a quick note, has the on line epg source got a problem as my data
>>>>stops on Sunday or is it just my box.
>>>>Stu
>>>
>>> I have the same problem.  The FreeviewHD EPG is stopping around
>>> midnight on Sunday.
>>
>> These reports are a little brief on detail. Where are you getting your
>> data from? I am using tv_grab_nz-py and have the same problem.
>>
>
> Here is the result of a manual mythfilldatabase - it seems there is no new data:
>

And this is from the status page in mythweb:

Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2011-03-31 08:01 and ended on
2011-03-31 08:01. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new
data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources. This can indicate a potential
grabber failure.
There's guide data until 2011-04-04 06:00 (4 days).

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On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 07:58 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
> These reports are a little brief on detail. Where are you getting your
> data from? I am using tv_grab_nz-py and have the same problem.

I get my data from there and have 7 days worth at the moment.

From what somebody told me a week or two ago the Telstra or Telecom
proxy has been quite aggressive so it's possible it may be caching an
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On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Hadley Rich <hads@nice.net.nz> wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 07:58 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
>> These reports are a little brief on detail. Where are you getting your
>> data from? I am using tv_grab_nz-py and have the same problem.
>
> I get my data from there and have 7 days worth at the moment.
>
> From what somebody told me a week or two ago the Telstra or Telecom
> proxy has been quite aggressive so it's possible it may be caching an
> old file.

I am on telstra.

How do I get around that?

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> I am on telstra.
>
> How do I get around that?


Maybe try setting a couple of extra headers on the HTTP request, around line 56 in the Python script:

'Pragma': 'no-cache'
'Cache-Control': 'no-cache'

Might override the dodgy Telstra cache.

FYI - I'm on Telecom and I am getting an up-to-date version every time.



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On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 09:18 +1300, Hadley Rich wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 07:58 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
> > These reports are a little brief on detail. Where are you getting your
> > data from? I am using tv_grab_nz-py and have the same problem.
>
> I get my data from there and have 7 days worth at the moment.
>
> >From what somebody told me a week or two ago the Telstra or Telecom
> proxy has been quite aggressive so it's possible it may be caching an
> old file.

I'm on XNET, checked my listings from work a little while ago and they
were also cutting off on Sunday. Manually ran a mythfilldatabase and
it's downloaded them so I presume there was a problem that was recently
fixed.

Mark


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Nick Rout wrote, On 03/31/2011 09:22 AM:
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Hadley Rich<hads@nice.net.nz> wrote:
>> On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 07:58 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
>>> These reports are a little brief on detail. Where are you getting your
>>> data from? I am using tv_grab_nz-py and have the same problem.
>> I get my data from there and have 7 days worth at the moment.
>> From what somebody told me a week or two ago the Telstra or Telecom
>> proxy has been quite aggressive so it's possible it may be caching an
>> old file.
> I am on telstra.
> How do I get around that?
I cheated and pointed my download script at work's squid proxy.
Telstraclear is not very receptive to requests to bypass caching, but
you can try emailing webmaster@paradise.net.nz

Or vote with your feet and change ISP. I'm hanging out for VDSL.

Another option is to use epgsnoop off a DVB card and get your data from
the air rather than a download. Decrease your dependence on the network.




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On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Jonathan Hoskin
<jonathan.hoskin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am on telstra.
>>
>> How do I get around that?
>
>
> Maybe try setting a couple of extra headers on the HTTP request, around line 56 in the Python script:
>
>        'Pragma': 'no-cache'
>        'Cache-Control': 'no-cache'
>
> Might override the dodgy Telstra cache.
>
> FYI - I'm on Telecom and I am getting an up-to-date version every time.

I added those lines, with a comma after each, and then ran
mythfilldatabase and now have 7 days data. Whether it is a
co-incidence, or whether the extra headers made a difference, I cannot
say.

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