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The hidden fox
Hi,

here is a little quiz for you:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

I promise to delivery 8 bottles of "Füchschen" to the first one who tells me
the plaintext of the following message or is able to forge the signature
on this file. Don't try to get my secret key, it does not exist any longer.
For those who don't know: Füchschen is a beer brewed here in Düsseldorf.
This promise is valid for 2 years from now (29.5.1998).


Good luck,

Werner


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Version: GNUPG v0.2.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: This is an alpha version!

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Version: GNUPG v0.2.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: This is an alpha version!

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=gI9G
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----


The public key is available at ftp.guug.de:/pub/gcrypt/ring1.gpg
or use this copy:

pub 1024G/D060C8FE 1998-05-29 GNUPG Challenger (no. 1) <dd9jn@gnu.org>


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Version: GNUPG v0.2.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: This is an alpha version!

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Have fun,

Werner
The hidden fox [ In reply to ]
Hi,

here is a little quiz for you:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

I promise to delivery 8 bottles of "Füchschen" to the first one who tells me
the plaintext of the following message or is able to forge the signature
on this file. Don't try to get my secret key, it does not exist any longer.
For those who don't know: Füchschen is a beer brewed here in Düsseldorf.
This promise is valid for 2 years from now (29.5.1998).


Good luck,

Werner


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Version: GNUPG v0.2.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: This is an alpha version!

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=o6Ev
- -----END PGP MESSAGE-----


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Version: GNUPG v0.2.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: This is an alpha version!

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=gI9G
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The public key is available at ftp.guug.de:/pub/gcrypt/ring1.gpg
or use this copy:

pub 1024G/D060C8FE 1998-05-29 GNUPG Challenger (no. 1) <dd9jn@gnu.org>


-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GNUPG v0.2.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: This is an alpha version!

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=Zjdk
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----


Have fun,

Werner
Re: The hidden fox [ In reply to ]
Werner Koch wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> here is a little quiz for you:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: RIPEMD160

Shouldn't there be a matching
-----END PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
at the end of the message???
Re: The hidden fox [ In reply to ]
Tomas Fasth <tomas.fasth@twinspot.net> writes:

> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: RIPEMD160
>
> Shouldn't there be a matching
> -----END PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> at the end of the message???

No an armored message ends with ----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
and has a -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE---- in it.

BTW: This armpred stuff is old fashioned, it's better to use MIME
encoding.


Werner
Re: The hidden fox [ In reply to ]
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

In <19980604072620.B7192@isil.d.shuttle.de>, on 06/04/98
at 07:26 AM, Werner Koch <wk@isil.d.shuttle.de> said:

>Tomas Fasth <tomas.fasth@twinspot.net> writes:

>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> > Hash: RIPEMD160
>>
>> Shouldn't there be a matching
>> -----END PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> at the end of the message???

>No an armored message ends with ----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>and has a -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE---- in it.

>BTW: This armpred stuff is old fashioned, it's better to use MIME
>encoding.


I disagree,

There are still quite a few people out there that are *not* using MIME
based mailers. Also very few applications out there are capable of making
use of PGP/MIME formats.

*All* e-mail clients that support PGP can process clear-signed messages.

- --
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii
Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0

Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice
PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail.
OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgp.html
- ---------------------------------------------------------------

Tag-O-Matic: OS/2: Bill Gates' worst nightmare!

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-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Re: The hidden fox [ In reply to ]
"William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@invweb.net> writes:

> *All* e-mail clients that support PGP can process clear-signed messages.

Mutt has _only_ no support to create armored messages - and this is
good has it forces people to switch over to MIME.


Werner
Re: The hidden fox [ In reply to ]
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

In <19980605080633.A8506@isil.d.shuttle.de>, on 06/05/98
at 08:06 AM, Werner Koch <wk@isil.d.shuttle.de> said:

>> *All* e-mail clients that support PGP can process clear-signed messages.

>Mutt has _only_ no support to create armored messages - and this is good
>has it forces people to switch over to MIME.

Well what it does is make it incompatible with the majority of PGP users
thus inconveniencing both the users of Mutt and those who are attempting
to communicate with them.

In my PGP implementations I allow the user 3 settings:

1 - No MIME
2 - When Needed MIME
3 - Always MIME

With option 2 being the default. Option #2 only PGP/MIME formats a message
if the message is already in MIME format *before* being passed on for pgp
processing.

Of the messages that I have received 99% are RFC 822, the other 1% that
are in MIME format the vast majority are so to support such worthless
formats as text/html, text/rtf, vcard attachment and other worthless junk
attached to the message. Occasional I will send/receive files via e-mail
but uuencode works just as well as doing base64 mime attachments.

MIME for the most part is "much to do about nothing" when it comes to
e-mail and *forcing* users to switch when it is not needed is anything but
a GoodThing(tm).

FWIW this is an old issue that has been hashed out on the PGP/MIME mailing
list and also referenced at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/emailpgp_5

- --
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii
Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0

Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice
PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail.
OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgp.html
- ---------------------------------------------------------------


Tag-O-Matic: Have you crashed your Windows today?

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