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Base/use.defaults, eds as a X86 default use
Would like to first thank Carsten Lohrke, Carlo, for helping me find the exact
location of the mysterious appearance of eds to a on default status.

*story time* After a recent emerge sync, I came face to face with quite a
pecular list of packages that wanted to be installed. As I have -gnome in my
make.conf it just was confusing. Until I did a emerge -avuDt world. I noticed
that gaim had turned up with a eds use flag. Evolution Data server seems like
something that should not be in the base/use.defaults, at least as far as I can
tell. Anything that can of course make use of eds, will require the new packages
as dependencies. For those not using gnome, this can be a bit of a pain to hunt
down and see what is going on.

Course we all know that a simple -eds will fix the problem, I guess I'm just
looking for a why it was enabled by default?

For reference as to the start of this inquiry:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101129

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Re: Base/use.defaults, eds as a X86 default use [ In reply to ]
On Aug 3, 2005, at 5:16 AM, Tsunam wrote:

> Would like to first thank Carsten Lohrke, Carlo, for helping me
> find the exact
> location of the mysterious appearance of eds to a on default status.
>
> *story time* After a recent emerge sync, I came face to face with
> quite a
> pecular list of packages that wanted to be installed. As I have -
> gnome in my
> make.conf it just was confusing. Until I did a emerge -avuDt world.
> I noticed
> that gaim had turned up with a eds use flag. Evolution Data server
> seems like
> something that should not be in the base/use.defaults, at least as
> far as I can
> tell. Anything that can of course make use of eds, will require the
> new packages
> as dependencies. For those not using gnome, this can be a bit of a
> pain to hunt
> down and see what is going on.

Well, use.defaults has nothing to do with it. It was the addition to
default-linux/$arch/make.defaults that most likely caused this.
There is a reason for it, too. Our default configuration must work
properly. Well, Gnome was not working properly due to the missing
eds and gstreamer USE flags. I added these flags at the request of
the Gnome team, as they had thought that adding them to use.defaults
accomplished the job, when it did not.

> Course we all know that a simple -eds will fix the problem, I guess
> I'm just
> looking for a why it was enabled by default?

Because gnome is enabled by default, and eds/gstreamer are really
needed for a properly working default Gnome configuration.

> For reference as to the start of this inquiry:
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101129

I probably should have sent a note to -dev about this change when I
did it, but I was in a rush of bug-fixes for 2005.1, so I apologize.

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Gentoo Linux



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Re: Base/use.defaults, eds as a X86 default use [ In reply to ]
Chris Gianelloni schrieb:
> Because gnome is enabled by default, and eds/gstreamer are really
> needed for a properly working default Gnome configuration.

Not really. I have a properly working (non-default, true) Gnome
configuration with USE=-eds.

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Re: Base/use.defaults, eds as a X86 default use [ In reply to ]
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
>
>> Course we all know that a simple -eds will fix the problem, I guess
>> I'm just
>> looking for a why it was enabled by default?
>
>
> Because gnome is enabled by default, and eds/gstreamer are really
> needed for a properly working default Gnome configuration.
>

Maybe one day we will have those use flag groups. This really was a
problem to me because emerge -uDpvt does not know how to show PDEPENDS
so I only had new packages in the listing. I just fear that this might
cause a lof of confusion among the users. Maybe someone should send a
mail to gentoo-users.

Regards,
Petteri Räty (Betelgeuse)
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