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Hello,

On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 at 15:59, Muhammad Asif Rao <masif.rao@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Going through ASR 920 and look like EOL announced already.

I don't see any EOL announcement for the ASR920 (other then software).

Can you clarify what you mean and link to that EOL announcement please?



cheers,
lukas
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Hi,

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 09:58:14AM -0400, Muhammad Asif Rao wrote:
> Going through ASR 920 and look like EOL announced already. What is the best
> replacement capable of handling 10g aggregation. So far this been best
> option for considering value for $$ spent.

What is it that you want to do with it?

Routing, switching, MPLSing, ...?

How many ports?

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Hi,

Haven't looked at prices yet but, IIRC , the product Cisco is pushing as a replacement is the ncs 540 .


On 26 Jun 2019 16:58, Muhammad Asif Rao <masif.rao@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Going through ASR 920 and look like EOL announced already. What is the best
replacement capable of handling 10g aggregation. So far this been best
option for considering value for $$ spent.

Regards,
Asif
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We are using features like BGP, EIGRP, ACLs and net flow.

Routes are 2k and ACL is about max 500 entries.

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 10:08 Gert Doering <gert@greenie.muc.de> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 09:58:14AM -0400, Muhammad Asif Rao wrote:
> > Going through ASR 920 and look like EOL announced already. What is the
> best
> > replacement capable of handling 10g aggregation. So far this been best
> > option for considering value for $$ spent.
>
> What is it that you want to do with it?
>
> Routing, switching, MPLSing, ...?
>
> How many ports?
>
> gert
>
> --
> "If was one thing all people took for granted, was conviction that if you
> feed honest figures into a computer, honest figures come out. Never
> doubted
> it myself till I met a computer with a sense of humor."
> Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh
> Mistress
>
> Gert Doering - Munich, Germany
> gert@greenie.muc.de
>
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Also we using 4x10g ports.

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 11:41 Muhammad Asif Rao <masif.rao@gmail.com> wrote:

> We are using features like BGP, EIGRP, ACLs and net flow.
>
> Routes are 2k and ACL is about max 500 entries.
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 10:08 Gert Doering <gert@greenie.muc.de> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 09:58:14AM -0400, Muhammad Asif Rao wrote:
>> > Going through ASR 920 and look like EOL announced already. What is the
>> best
>> > replacement capable of handling 10g aggregation. So far this been best
>> > option for considering value for $$ spent.
>>
>> What is it that you want to do with it?
>>
>> Routing, switching, MPLSing, ...?
>>
>> How many ports?
>>
>> gert
>>
>> --
>> "If was one thing all people took for granted, was conviction that if you
>> feed honest figures into a computer, honest figures come out. Never
>> doubted
>> it myself till I met a computer with a sense of humor."
>> Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh
>> Mistress
>>
>> Gert Doering - Munich, Germany
>> gert@greenie.muc.de
>>
>
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On 26/Jun/19 15:58, Muhammad Asif Rao wrote:
> Hi,
> Going through ASR 920 and look like EOL announced already. What is the best
> replacement capable of handling 10g aggregation. So far this been best
> option for considering value for $$ spent.

MX204.

Mark.
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NCS5xx might be an option for you.
Had a look on these guys in the lab recently - not so bad.
Some minor issues with the SW still exist since it is a new platform, but I
would buy that thing if the budget allows.

Rgds,
Igor

??, 27 ???. 2019 ?., 6:19 Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu>:

>
>
> On 26/Jun/19 15:58, Muhammad Asif Rao wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Going through ASR 920 and look like EOL announced already. What is the
> best
> > replacement capable of handling 10g aggregation. So far this been best
> > option for considering value for $$ spent.
>
> MX204.
>
> Mark.
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I haven’t seen a roadmap where the hardware has been discontinued. Just
put in a grant application to use a bunch of the new 12x 10 gig models and
none of our research nor talking to Cisco directly showed any EOL any time
soon


On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 6:17 PM Igor Sukhomlinov <dvalinswamp@gmail.com>
wrote:

> NCS5xx might be an option for you.
> Had a look on these guys in the lab recently - not so bad.
> Some minor issues with the SW still exist since it is a new platform, but I
> would buy that thing if the budget allows.
>
> Rgds,
> Igor
>
> ??, 27 ???. 2019 ?., 6:19 Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu>:
>
> >
> >
> > On 26/Jun/19 15:58, Muhammad Asif Rao wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > Going through ASR 920 and look like EOL announced already. What is the
> > best
> > > replacement capable of handling 10g aggregation. So far this been best
> > > option for considering value for $$ spent.
> >
> > MX204.
> >
> > Mark.
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On 27/Jun/19 00:33, Shawn L wrote:
> I haven’t seen a roadmap where the hardware has been discontinued. Just
> put in a grant application to use a bunch of the new 12x 10 gig models and
> none of our research nor talking to Cisco directly showed any EOL any time
> soon

The ASR920 is still present.

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Overall, it looks like specific IOS versions are being eol-ed. Has anyone
seen any indication that the hardware platform itself would be phased out?

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 7:10 PM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:

>
>
> On 27/Jun/19 00:33, Shawn L wrote:
> > I haven’t seen a roadmap where the hardware has been discontinued. Just
> > put in a grant application to use a bunch of the new 12x 10 gig models
> and
> > none of our research nor talking to Cisco directly showed any EOL any
> time
> > soon
>
> The ASR920 is still present.
>
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Laurent,

The HW platform isn't, but the older SW (3.16/3.18) are EOL'd, I was advised by the TAC.

With good reason too - We hit a bad VPLS bug in them that was fixed only in everest and beyond
with no plans to backport. As such our fleet are now running 16.6 and we've been good on that.

Patrick

Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 07:46:04PM -0400, Laurent Dumont wrote:


> Overall, it looks like specific IOS versions are being eol-ed. Has anyone
> seen any indication that the hardware platform itself would be phased out?
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 7:10 PM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 27/Jun/19 00:33, Shawn L wrote:
> > > I haven’t seen a roadmap where the hardware has been discontinued. Just
> > > put in a grant application to use a bunch of the new 12x 10 gig models
> > and
> > > none of our research nor talking to Cisco directly showed any EOL any
> > time
> > > soon
> >
> > The ASR920 is still present.
> >
> > Mark.
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Thank you, yes its only code, not the hw.


On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 20:15 Patrick Cole <z@amused.net> wrote:

> Laurent,
>
> The HW platform isn't, but the older SW (3.16/3.18) are EOL'd, I was
> advised by the TAC.
>
> With good reason too - We hit a bad VPLS bug in them that was fixed only
> in everest and beyond
> with no plans to backport. As such our fleet are now running 16.6 and
> we've been good on that.
>
> Patrick
>
> Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 07:46:04PM -0400, Laurent Dumont wrote:
>
>
> > Overall, it looks like specific IOS versions are being eol-ed. Has anyone
> > seen any indication that the hardware platform itself would be phased
> out?
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 7:10 PM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 27/Jun/19 00:33, Shawn L wrote:
> > > > I haven’t seen a roadmap where the hardware has been discontinued.
> Just
> > > > put in a grant application to use a bunch of the new 12x 10 gig
> models
> > > and
> > > > none of our research nor talking to Cisco directly showed any EOL any
> > > time
> > > > soon
> > >
> > > The ASR920 is still present.
> > >
> > > Mark.
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Can you share the details of the VPLS bug? BugID?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:15 PM, Patrick Cole <z@amused.net> wrote:
>
> Laurent,
>
> The HW platform isn't, but the older SW (3.16/3.18) are EOL'd, I was advised by the TAC.
>
> With good reason too - We hit a bad VPLS bug in them that was fixed only in everest and beyond
> with no plans to backport. As such our fleet are now running 16.6 and we've been good on that.
>
> Patrick
>
> Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 07:46:04PM -0400, Laurent Dumont wrote:
>
>
>> Overall, it looks like specific IOS versions are being eol-ed. Has anyone
>> seen any indication that the hardware platform itself would be phased out?
>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 7:10 PM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 27/Jun/19 00:33, Shawn L wrote:
>>>> I haven’t seen a roadmap where the hardware has been discontinued. Just
>>>> put in a grant application to use a bunch of the new 12x 10 gig models
>>> and
>>>> none of our research nor talking to Cisco directly showed any EOL any
>>> time
>>>> soon
>>>
>>> The ASR920 is still present.
>>>
>>> Mark.
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Jason,

It was an internally raised bug, so you probably won't find any mention of it anywhere on any release notes. Classic case of the "fix it before someone notices" :

CSCvb80108 - "On disposition VPLS traffic getting dropped and disposition label info is not present on hw"

Fixed code releases are Everest-16.6.1a Everest-16.6.1 Everest-16.5.2 16.6.1s 16.6.1a 16.6.1 16.5.2 16.5(1.149).

Regards,

Patrick

Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 11:52:33PM -0400, Jason Lixfeld wrote:

> Can you share the details of the VPLS bug? BugID?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:15 PM, Patrick Cole <z@amused.net> wrote:
> >
> > Laurent,
> >
> > The HW platform isn't, but the older SW (3.16/3.18) are EOL'd, I was advised by the TAC.
> >
> > With good reason too - We hit a bad VPLS bug in them that was fixed only in everest and beyond
> > with no plans to backport. As such our fleet are now running 16.6 and we've been good on that.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 07:46:04PM -0400, Laurent Dumont wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Overall, it looks like specific IOS versions are being eol-ed. Has anyone
> >> seen any indication that the hardware platform itself would be phased out?
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 7:10 PM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 27/Jun/19 00:33, Shawn L wrote:
> >>>> I haven’t seen a roadmap where the hardware has been discontinued. Just
> >>>> put in a grant application to use a bunch of the new 12x 10 gig models
> >>> and
> >>>> none of our research nor talking to Cisco directly showed any EOL any
> >>> time
> >>>> soon
> >>>
> >>> The ASR920 is still present.
> >>>
> >>> Mark.
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On 27/Jun/19 01:46, Laurent Dumont wrote:
> Overall, it looks like specific IOS versions are being eol-ed.

That is common, and expected.

> Has anyone seen any indication that the hardware platform itself would
> be phased out?

Nope.

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> On 27 Jun 2019, at 10:15, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
>
> On 27/Jun/19 01:46, Laurent Dumont wrote:
>> Overall, it looks like specific IOS versions are being eol-ed.
>
> That is common, and expected.
>
>> Has anyone seen any indication that the hardware platform itself would
>> be phased out?
>
> Nope.


Putting my Cisco hat for a moment:

There are currently no such plans, but the natural current replacement would
be NCS 540 (IOS-XR box) and NCS 560 (XR box as well, more alike
ASR 903/907 if you need modularity).

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On 27/Jun/19 17:49, ?ukasz Bromirski wrote:

>
>
> Putting my Cisco hat for a moment:
>
> There are currently no such plans, but the natural current replacement
> would
> be NCS 540 (IOS-XR box) and NCS 560 (XR box as well, more alike
> ASR 903/907 if you need modularity).

I don't know why for a Metro-E application, IOS XR is simply too
heavy... maybe it's just me.

I've not ran IOS XR in anything other than a CRS or ASR9000, so can't
say whether it's any quicker in an NCS*. But if not, I wouldn't want to
be the one speaking to the NOC about why 700 boxes in the Metro are down
for longer than what we had on an ASR920 (IOS XE) for a simple code
upgrade :-).

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> On 27 Jun 2019, at 17:53, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
>
> On 27/Jun/19 17:49, ?ukasz Bromirski wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Putting my Cisco hat for a moment:
>>
>> There are currently no such plans, but the natural current replacement
>> would
>> be NCS 540 (IOS-XR box) and NCS 560 (XR box as well, more alike
>> ASR 903/907 if you need modularity).
>
> I don't know why for a Metro-E application, IOS XR is simply too
> heavy... maybe it's just me.
>
> I've not ran IOS XR in anything other than a CRS or ASR9000, so can't
> say whether it's any quicker in an NCS*. But if not, I wouldn't want to
> be the one speaking to the NOC about why 700 boxes in the Metro are down
> for longer than what we had on an ASR920 (IOS XE) for a simple code
> upgrade :-).

:D “Good old days of solid iron with QNX-running XR”.

NCS 540 boots in ~90 seconds depending on the complexity of the
configuration. I just did reboot one to check if I’m right.

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Hi,

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 05:49:42PM +0200, ??ukasz Bromirski wrote:
> There are currently no such plans, but the natural current replacement would
> be NCS 540 (IOS-XR box) and NCS 560 (XR box as well, more alike
> ASR 903/907 if you need modularity).

The boxes look very nice.

The table on software licensing looks like the usual Cisco nightmare,
just more of it.

ESS-AC-10G-RTU-1 Essentials SW Right-to-Use per 10G
ADV-AC-10G-RTU-1 Advanced SW Right-to-Use per 10G
ESS-10G-SIA-3 Essentials SW Innovation Access per 10G 3 year subscription
ESS-10G-SIA-5 Essentials SW Innovation Access per 10G 5 year subscription
ADV-10G-SIA-3 Advanced SW Innovation Access per 10G 3 year subscription
ADV-10G-SIA-5 Advanced SW Innovation Access per 10G 5 year subscription

and of course you'd need a SmartNet coverage for every single license
bit...

gert
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Gert,

> On 27 Jun 2019, at 18:00, Gert Doering <gert@greenie.muc.de> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 05:49:42PM +0200, ??ukasz Bromirski wrote:
>> There are currently no such plans, but the natural current replacement would
>> be NCS 540 (IOS-XR box) and NCS 560 (XR box as well, more alike
>> ASR 903/907 if you need modularity).
>
> The boxes look very nice.
>
> The table on software licensing looks like the usual Cisco nightmare,
> just more of it.

Oh c’mon, what would happen if we’d nail down *both* product and
licensing? Hell would freeze ;)

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On 27/Jun/19 17:59, ?ukasz Bromirski wrote:
> :D “Good old days of solid iron with QNX-running XR”.
>
> NCS 540 boots in ~90 seconds depending on the complexity of the
> configuration. I just did reboot one to check if I’m right.

And a full software upgrade?

Mark.
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Hi,

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 06:02:15PM +0200, ??ukasz Bromirski wrote:
> > The table on software licensing looks like the usual Cisco nightmare,
> > just more of it.
>
> Oh c???mon, what would happen if we???d nail down *both* product and
> licensing? Hell would freeze ;)

*sigh*. Well said.

(And, if you get the list price / discount thingie in order, *and* fix
the web site, then you might just squash the competition out there... :-) )

gert
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feed honest figures into a computer, honest figures come out. Never doubted
it myself till I met a computer with a sense of humor."
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Gert Doering - Munich, Germany gert@greenie.muc.de

A 920 taking 13 minutes too boot is quite a thing to see. Especially a dual
reboot for a software upgrade ????

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 12:04 PM Gert Doering <gert@greenie.muc.de> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 06:02:15PM +0200, ??ukasz Bromirski wrote:
> > > The table on software licensing looks like the usual Cisco nightmare,
> > > just more of it.
> >
> > Oh c???mon, what would happen if we???d nail down *both* product and
> > licensing? Hell would freeze ;)
>
> *sigh*. Well said.
>
> (And, if you get the list price / discount thingie in order, *and* fix
> the web site, then you might just squash the competition out there... :-) )
>
> gert
> --
> "If was one thing all people took for granted, was conviction that if you
> feed honest figures into a computer, honest figures come out. Never
> doubted
> it myself till I met a computer with a sense of humor."
> Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh
> Mistress
>
> Gert Doering - Munich, Germany
> gert@greenie.muc.de
>
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Hi,

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 06:29:41PM +0200, Brian Turnbow wrote:
> Let's make a smu to disable smart licensing as a fix.

Now that is nice :-) IOS XR FTW.

(I still do not understand why more recent XR platforms can't have
EIGRP, though... we have nicely and willingly moved ourselves into
vendor lock-in because we *like* EIGRP...)

gert
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Gert Doering - Munich, Germany gert@greenie.muc.de

>There are currently no such plans, but the natural current replacement would
>be NCS 540 (IOS-XR box) and NCS 560 (XR box as well, more alike
>ASR 903/907 if you need modularity).

I was told that there are currently no plans to EoL the ASR920. The NCS, while somewhat similar, is not quite as "feature-rich" as the ASR. I've not yet had the pleasure to test one out, but I'm guessing that means the ASR is more edge-focused while NCS is more aggregation-focused.

-evt
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Don't forget the PHD in rocket surgery required for smartnet

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This message originated from outside your organization.

Hi,

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 06:02:15PM +0200, ??ukasz Bromirski wrote:
> > The table on software licensing looks like the usual Cisco
> > nightmare, just more of it.
>
> Oh c???mon, what would happen if we???d nail down *both* product and
> licensing? Hell would freeze ;)

*sigh*. Well said.

(And, if you get the list price / discount thingie in order, *and* fix the web site, then you might just squash the competition out there... :-) )

gert
--
"If was one thing all people took for granted, was conviction that if you feed honest figures into a computer, honest figures come out. Never doubted it myself till I met a computer with a sense of humor."
Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

Gert Doering - Munich, Germany gert@greenie.muc.de

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The NCS540 line is definitely edge focused although the initial hardware release probably fits more in an aggregation role for most. There are differences in feature or scale but I wouldn't say it's less feature rich, in many cases it has more capabilities.

Thanks,
Phil

?On 6/27/19, 1:21 PM, "cisco-nsp on behalf of Eric Van Tol" <cisco-nsp-bounces@puck.nether.net on behalf of eric@atlantech.net> wrote:

>There are currently no such plans, but the natural current replacement would
>be NCS 540 (IOS-XR box) and NCS 560 (XR box as well, more alike
>ASR 903/907 if you need modularity).

I was told that there are currently no plans to EoL the ASR920. The NCS, while somewhat similar, is not quite as "feature-rich" as the ASR. I've not yet had the pleasure to test one out, but I'm guessing that means the ASR is more edge-focused while NCS is more aggregation-focused.

-evt
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Why are we worried about XR boot times ?

RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:g-9k#sh ver | in "uptime|IOS"
Thu Jun 27 14:20:49.013 CDT
Cisco IOS XR Software, Version 4.1.2[Default]
g-9k uptime is 5 years, 14 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes

RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:c-9k#sh ver | in "uptime|IOS"
Thu Jun 27 14:20:55.287 CDT
Cisco IOS XR Software, Version 4.1.2[Default]
c-9k uptime is 5 years, 21 weeks, 4 days, 44 minutes

-Aaron


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On 27/Jun/19 21:22, Aaron Gould wrote:

> Why are we worried about XR boot times ?
>
> RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:g-9k#sh ver | in "uptime|IOS"
> Thu Jun 27 14:20:49.013 CDT
> Cisco IOS XR Software, Version 4.1.2[Default]
> g-9k uptime is 5 years, 14 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes
>
> RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:c-9k#sh ver | in "uptime|IOS"
> Thu Jun 27 14:20:55.287 CDT
> Cisco IOS XR Software, Version 4.1.2[Default]
> c-9k uptime is 5 years, 21 weeks, 4 days, 44 minutes

Again, I'm not so worried about boot time. Whether it takes a box 10
minutes or 10 hours to boot, as my Swedish friend would say, "Det är vad
det är".

My main concern is how long it takes to complete a full upgrade, with a
couple of accompanying SMU's to boot (pun intended).

Mark.
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"Det är vad det är"

'It is what it is"?





A
?Em 27/06/2019 16:41, "cisco-nsp em nome de Mark Tinka" <cisco-nsp-bounces@puck.nether.net em nome de mark.tinka@seacom.mu> escreveu:



On 27/Jun/19 21:22, Aaron Gould wrote:

> Why are we worried about XR boot times ?
>
> RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:g-9k#sh ver | in "uptime|IOS"
> Thu Jun 27 14:20:49.013 CDT
> Cisco IOS XR Software, Version 4.1.2[Default]
> g-9k uptime is 5 years, 14 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes
>
> RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:c-9k#sh ver | in "uptime|IOS"
> Thu Jun 27 14:20:55.287 CDT
> Cisco IOS XR Software, Version 4.1.2[Default]
> c-9k uptime is 5 years, 21 weeks, 4 days, 44 minutes

Again, I'm not so worried about boot time. Whether it takes a box 10
minutes or 10 hours to boot, as my Swedish friend would say, "Det är vad
det är".

My main concern is how long it takes to complete a full upgrade, with a
couple of accompanying SMU's to boot (pun intended).

Mark.
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> Mark Tinka
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 8:41 PM
>
>
>
> On 27/Jun/19 21:22, Aaron Gould wrote:
>
> > Why are we worried about XR boot times ?
> >
> > RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:g-9k#sh ver | in "uptime|IOS"
> > Thu Jun 27 14:20:49.013 CDT
> > Cisco IOS XR Software, Version 4.1.2[Default] g-9k uptime is 5 years,
> > 14 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes
> >
> > RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:c-9k#sh ver | in "uptime|IOS"
> > Thu Jun 27 14:20:55.287 CDT
> > Cisco IOS XR Software, Version 4.1.2[Default] c-9k uptime is 5 years,
> > 21 weeks, 4 days, 44 minutes
>
> Again, I'm not so worried about boot time. Whether it takes a box 10 minutes
> or 10 hours to boot, as my Swedish friend would say, "Det är vad det är".
>
> My main concern is how long it takes to complete a full upgrade, with a
> couple of accompanying SMU's to boot (pun intended).
>
I'd expect the boot(and install) of GISO from USB to be fairly quick.

adam

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On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 12:31:54PM +0100, adamv0025@netconsultings.com wrote:
> I'd expect the boot(and install) of GISO from USB to be fairly quick.
>
> adam

I don't know about USB boot but installing GISO on live router (.iso copied over to RP, then
install update command used) is about 1 hour and 30 minutes process. The router literally
sits there looks like absolutely doing nothing for almost an hour until the reload. I believe
it's probably copying stuff to the LCs.

Is doing it from USB boot any faster? Has anyone actually done clean GISO install from USB?
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On 6/27/19 2:40 PM, Mark Tinka wrote:
>
>
> On 27/Jun/19 21:22, Aaron Gould wrote:
>
>> Why are we worried about XR boot times ?
>>
>> RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:g-9k#sh ver | in "uptime|IOS"
>> Thu Jun 27 14:20:49.013 CDT
>> Cisco IOS XR Software, Version 4.1.2[Default]
>> g-9k uptime is 5 years, 14 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes
>>
>> RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:c-9k#sh ver | in "uptime|IOS"
>> Thu Jun 27 14:20:55.287 CDT
>> Cisco IOS XR Software, Version 4.1.2[Default]
>> c-9k uptime is 5 years, 21 weeks, 4 days, 44 minutes
>
> Again, I'm not so worried about boot time. Whether it takes a box 10
> minutes or 10 hours to boot, as my Swedish friend would say, "Det är vad
> det är".
>
> My main concern is how long it takes to complete a full upgrade, with a
> couple of accompanying SMU's to boot (pun intended).
>
> Mark.

And then there's "TURBOBOOT", which is an oxymoron at best.

Varit där; gjort det.
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