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[nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an ethernet(DSL) link
I have a DSL link that is terminated as an Ethernet connection, I would
like to setup a dialup failover for it. Since it is an Ethernet I can't
watch the physical interface.
I have a cisco 1721 on the remote end.

One way is to run BGP between the two points and then to "watch" a route.

But what is the best way of doing this, I have full control of both ends,
but at the same time I want to protect the central point from the remote.

K
Re: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an ethernet(DSL) link [ In reply to ]
There is no real way to do this right now, without some dynamic
routing/floating statics(or dialer watch). There is a feature request bug
for what you want though...CSCds88143...someone is working on it right now.

josh

----- Original Message -----
From: "Krzysztof Adamski" <k@adamski.org>
To: <cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:15 PM
Subject: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an ethernet(DSL) link


> I have a DSL link that is terminated as an Ethernet connection, I would
> like to setup a dialup failover for it. Since it is an Ethernet I can't
> watch the physical interface.
> I have a cisco 1721 on the remote end.
>
> One way is to run BGP between the two points and then to "watch" a route.
>
> But what is the best way of doing this, I have full control of both ends,
> but at the same time I want to protect the central point from the remote.
>
> K
>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an ethernet(DSL) link [ In reply to ]
What I'm asking is, from all the possible ways that are now available,
what is it best way? Running BGP, is this a good thing, or would RIP be
better, or OSPF? Or should I use DDR?

K

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Josh Duffek wrote:

> There is no real way to do this right now, without some dynamic
> routing/floating statics(or dialer watch). There is a feature request bug
> for what you want though...CSCds88143...someone is working on it right now.
>
> josh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Krzysztof Adamski" <k@adamski.org>
> To: <cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net>
> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:15 PM
> Subject: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an ethernet(DSL) link
>
>
> > I have a DSL link that is terminated as an Ethernet connection, I would
> > like to setup a dialup failover for it. Since it is an Ethernet I can't
> > watch the physical interface.
> > I have a cisco 1721 on the remote end.
> >
> > One way is to run BGP between the two points and then to "watch" a route.
> >
> > But what is the best way of doing this, I have full control of both ends,
> > but at the same time I want to protect the central point from the remote.
> >
> > K
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > cisco-nsp mailing list real_name)s@puck.nether.net
> > http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp
> > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
>
Re: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an ethernet(DSL) link [ In reply to ]
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Krzysztof Adamski <k@adamski.org> wrote:
> What I'm asking is, from all the possible ways that are now available,
> what is it best way? Running BGP, is this a good thing, or would RIP be
> better, or OSPF? Or should I use DDR?

Personally, I'd use OSPF and dialer watch routes. (You need 12.x for this,
11.x is buggy if you use OSPF with dialer watched routes) I've used this in
the past and once set up it works very well.

Any routing protocol would do, but OSPF has quicker failover than BGP or
RIP. You probably want to find some way of making the upstream withdraw the
watched route when it's connection to the world dies too, but without
knonig your architecture I don't know what the best way of doing that would be.

--
Ryan O'Connell - CCIE #8174
<ryan@complicity.co.uk> - http://www.complicity.co.uk

I'm not losing my mind, no I'm not changing my lines,
I'm just learning new things with the passage of time
Re: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an ethernet(DSL) link [ In reply to ]
If your eth0 will never go down, the floating route will not work. so me
be is better to use a simple and FAST routing protocol. (we should
reconfigure protocolo's time)



On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 22:29, Krzysztof Adamski wrote:
> What I'm asking is, from all the possible ways that are now available,
> what is it best way? Running BGP, is this a good thing, or would RIP be
> better, or OSPF? Or should I use DDR?
>
> K
>
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Josh Duffek wrote:
>
> > There is no real way to do this right now, without some dynamic
> > routing/floating statics(or dialer watch). There is a feature request bug
> > for what you want though...CSCds88143...someone is working on it right now.
> >
> > josh
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Krzysztof Adamski" <k@adamski.org>
> > To: <cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:15 PM
> > Subject: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an ethernet(DSL) link
> >
> >
> > > I have a DSL link that is terminated as an Ethernet connection, I would
> > > like to setup a dialup failover for it. Since it is an Ethernet I can't
> > > watch the physical interface.
> > > I have a cisco 1721 on the remote end.
> > >
> > > One way is to run BGP between the two points and then to "watch" a route.
> > >
> > > But what is the best way of doing this, I have full control of both ends,
> > > but at the same time I want to protect the central point from the remote.
> > >
> > > K
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > cisco-nsp mailing list real_name)s@puck.nether.net
> > > http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp
> > > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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RE: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an ethernet(DSL) link [ In reply to ]
i have used DDR on Serials and when the primary serial is down, the 0/0
is removed from FIB and then, 0/0 poiting to ASYC interface takes place
in the FIB.

But i think that this is not possible if the eth0 never go down :)

so we need a keepalive method. :)


On Fri, 2002-08-02 at 11:30, Brad Bonin (bbonin) wrote:
> Sounds like a question I had on my ccie exam a few years back.
>
> The trick was to use an ospf demand circuit over the backup
> connection....
>
> Or you could use another routing protocol and dink around with Admin
> Distances....
>
> brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cisco-nsp-admin@puck.nether.net
> [mailto:cisco-nsp-admin@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ezequiel Carson
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 6:52 AM
> To: Krzysztof Adamski
> Cc: Josh Duffek; cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an ethernet(DSL)
> link
>
>
> If your eth0 will never go down, the floating route will not work. so me
> be is better to use a simple and FAST routing protocol. (we should
> reconfigure protocolo's time)
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 22:29, Krzysztof Adamski wrote:
> > What I'm asking is, from all the possible ways that are now available,
>
> > what is it best way? Running BGP, is this a good thing, or would RIP
> > be better, or OSPF? Or should I use DDR?
> >
> > K
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Josh Duffek wrote:
> >
> > > There is no real way to do this right now, without some dynamic
> > > routing/floating statics(or dialer watch). There is a feature
> > > request bug for what you want though...CSCds88143...someone is
> > > working on it right now.
> > >
> > > josh
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Krzysztof Adamski" <k@adamski.org>
> > > To: <cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:15 PM
> > > Subject: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an ethernet(DSL)
> > > link
> > >
> > >
> > > > I have a DSL link that is terminated as an Ethernet connection, I
> > > > would like to setup a dialup failover for it. Since it is an
> > > > Ethernet I can't watch the physical interface. I have a cisco 1721
>
> > > > on the remote end.
> > > >
> > > > One way is to run BGP between the two points and then to "watch" a
>
> > > > route.
> > > >
> > > > But what is the best way of doing this, I have full control of
> > > > both ends, but at the same time I want to protect the central
> > > > point from the remote.
> > > >
> > > > K
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > cisco-nsp mailing list real_name)s@puck.nether.net
> > > > http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp
> > > > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > cisco-nsp mailing list real_name)s@puck.nether.net
> > http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp
> > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
RE: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an ethernet(DSL) link [ In reply to ]
Sounds like a question I had on my ccie exam a few years back.

The trick was to use an ospf demand circuit over the backup
connection....

Or you could use another routing protocol and dink around with Admin
Distances....

brad

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-nsp-admin@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-nsp-admin@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ezequiel Carson
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 6:52 AM
To: Krzysztof Adamski
Cc: Josh Duffek; cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an ethernet(DSL)
link


If your eth0 will never go down, the floating route will not work. so me
be is better to use a simple and FAST routing protocol. (we should
reconfigure protocolo's time)



On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 22:29, Krzysztof Adamski wrote:
> What I'm asking is, from all the possible ways that are now available,

> what is it best way? Running BGP, is this a good thing, or would RIP
> be better, or OSPF? Or should I use DDR?
>
> K
>
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Josh Duffek wrote:
>
> > There is no real way to do this right now, without some dynamic
> > routing/floating statics(or dialer watch). There is a feature
> > request bug for what you want though...CSCds88143...someone is
> > working on it right now.
> >
> > josh
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Krzysztof Adamski" <k@adamski.org>
> > To: <cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:15 PM
> > Subject: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an ethernet(DSL)
> > link
> >
> >
> > > I have a DSL link that is terminated as an Ethernet connection, I
> > > would like to setup a dialup failover for it. Since it is an
> > > Ethernet I can't watch the physical interface. I have a cisco 1721

> > > on the remote end.
> > >
> > > One way is to run BGP between the two points and then to "watch" a

> > > route.
> > >
> > > But what is the best way of doing this, I have full control of
> > > both ends, but at the same time I want to protect the central
> > > point from the remote.
> > >
> > > K
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > cisco-nsp mailing list real_name)s@puck.nether.net
> > > http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp
> > > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp
> archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
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RE: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an ethernet(DSL) link [ In reply to ]
Ospf demand would work...if the ospf neighbor goes down on the Ethernet
interface, then ospf would reconverge, force the ospf demand circuit to
come up and exchange new routing information....which would cause routes
to be preferred over the backup circuit as this circuit is the only
valid path now...

Give it a shot....if you are running ospf that is.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ezequiel Carson [mailto:ezequiel@ifxnw.com.ar]
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:30 AM
To: brad@cisco.com
Cc: 'Krzysztof Adamski'; 'Josh Duffek'; cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an ethernet(DSL)
link


i have used DDR on Serials and when the primary serial is down, the 0/0
is removed from FIB and then, 0/0 poiting to ASYC interface takes place
in the FIB.

But i think that this is not possible if the eth0 never go down :)

so we need a keepalive method. :)


On Fri, 2002-08-02 at 11:30, Brad Bonin (bbonin) wrote:
> Sounds like a question I had on my ccie exam a few years back.
>
> The trick was to use an ospf demand circuit over the backup
> connection....
>
> Or you could use another routing protocol and dink around with Admin
> Distances....
>
> brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cisco-nsp-admin@puck.nether.net
> [mailto:cisco-nsp-admin@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ezequiel Carson
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 6:52 AM
> To: Krzysztof Adamski
> Cc: Josh Duffek; cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an
> ethernet(DSL) link
>
>
> If your eth0 will never go down, the floating route will not work. so
> me be is better to use a simple and FAST routing protocol. (we should
> reconfigure protocolo's time)
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 22:29, Krzysztof Adamski wrote:
> > What I'm asking is, from all the possible ways that are now
> > available,
>
> > what is it best way? Running BGP, is this a good thing, or would RIP
> > be better, or OSPF? Or should I use DDR?
> >
> > K
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Josh Duffek wrote:
> >
> > > There is no real way to do this right now, without some dynamic
> > > routing/floating statics(or dialer watch). There is a feature
> > > request bug for what you want though...CSCds88143...someone is
> > > working on it right now.
> > >
> > > josh
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Krzysztof Adamski" <k@adamski.org>
> > > To: <cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:15 PM
> > > Subject: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an
> > > ethernet(DSL)
> > > link
> > >
> > >
> > > > I have a DSL link that is terminated as an Ethernet connection,
> > > > I
> > > > would like to setup a dialup failover for it. Since it is an
> > > > Ethernet I can't watch the physical interface. I have a cisco
1721
>
> > > > on the remote end.
> > > >
> > > > One way is to run BGP between the two points and then to "watch"

> > > > a
>
> > > > route.
> > > >
> > > > But what is the best way of doing this, I have full control of
> > > > both ends, but at the same time I want to protect the central
> > > > point from the remote.
> > > >
> > > > K
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > cisco-nsp mailing list real_name)s@puck.nether.net
> > > > http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp
> > > > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > cisco-nsp mailing list real_name)s@puck.nether.net
> > http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp
> > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
RE: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an ethernet(DSL) link [ In reply to ]
I guess I should have included the background. I'm the ISP and the other
end is a customer. For this reason I don't really want to run OSPF with
him. BGP is safer.
Based on the responses the watch-group is the correct way, I got this
working. I'm sending the default route, and I'm watching an other route.
And I have a floating default pointing at the dialer with high metric.

Now, what should I do for the connection to switch back to Ethernet, the
only way I can think of is by filtering BGP through the modem. Is there a
better way?

K

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Brad Bonin (bbonin) wrote:

> Ospf demand would work...if the ospf neighbor goes down on the Ethernet
> interface, then ospf would reconverge, force the ospf demand circuit to
> come up and exchange new routing information....which would cause routes
> to be preferred over the backup circuit as this circuit is the only
> valid path now...
>
> Give it a shot....if you are running ospf that is.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ezequiel Carson [mailto:ezequiel@ifxnw.com.ar]
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:30 AM
> To: brad@cisco.com
> Cc: 'Krzysztof Adamski'; 'Josh Duffek'; cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
> Subject: RE: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an ethernet(DSL)
> link
>
>
> i have used DDR on Serials and when the primary serial is down, the 0/0
> is removed from FIB and then, 0/0 poiting to ASYC interface takes place
> in the FIB.
>
> But i think that this is not possible if the eth0 never go down :)
>
> so we need a keepalive method. :)
>
>
> On Fri, 2002-08-02 at 11:30, Brad Bonin (bbonin) wrote:
> > Sounds like a question I had on my ccie exam a few years back.
> >
> > The trick was to use an ospf demand circuit over the backup
> > connection....
> >
> > Or you could use another routing protocol and dink around with Admin
> > Distances....
> >
> > brad
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cisco-nsp-admin@puck.nether.net
> > [mailto:cisco-nsp-admin@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ezequiel Carson
> > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 6:52 AM
> > To: Krzysztof Adamski
> > Cc: Josh Duffek; cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
> > Subject: Re: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an
> > ethernet(DSL) link
> >
> >
> > If your eth0 will never go down, the floating route will not work. so
> > me be is better to use a simple and FAST routing protocol. (we should
> > reconfigure protocolo's time)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 22:29, Krzysztof Adamski wrote:
> > > What I'm asking is, from all the possible ways that are now
> > > available,
> >
> > > what is it best way? Running BGP, is this a good thing, or would RIP
> > > be better, or OSPF? Or should I use DDR?
> > >
> > > K
> > >
> > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Josh Duffek wrote:
> > >
> > > > There is no real way to do this right now, without some dynamic
> > > > routing/floating statics(or dialer watch). There is a feature
> > > > request bug for what you want though...CSCds88143...someone is
> > > > working on it right now.
> > > >
> > > > josh
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Krzysztof Adamski" <k@adamski.org>
> > > > To: <cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:15 PM
> > > > Subject: [nsp] Proper way of doing dial backup for an
> > > > ethernet(DSL)
> > > > link
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I have a DSL link that is terminated as an Ethernet connection,
> > > > > I
> > > > > would like to setup a dialup failover for it. Since it is an
> > > > > Ethernet I can't watch the physical interface. I have a cisco
> 1721
> >
> > > > > on the remote end.
> > > > >
> > > > > One way is to run BGP between the two points and then to "watch"
>
> > > > > a
> >
> > > > > route.
> > > > >
> > > > > But what is the best way of doing this, I have full control of
> > > > > both ends, but at the same time I want to protect the central
> > > > > point from the remote.
> > > > >
> > > > > K
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > cisco-nsp mailing list real_name)s@puck.nether.net
> > > > > http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp
> > > > > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp
> > > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
>