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Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn [ In reply to ]
Doesn't he know that Dial is Dead(tm)? ;)


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Eric

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Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn [ In reply to ]
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Eric Knudson wrote:

> Doesn't he know that Dial is Dead(tm)? ;)

Believe it or not, some people are still doing new dial-up gateway
installations. It's a bit more complicated now as all of cisco's
dedicated dial-up gateways have gone EOL...and you now have to piece
together a dial-up gateway using a modular router and various modules
rather than just order an AS5xxx of suitable size.

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Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn [ In reply to ]
Hopefully those people ordered their last digital modems before they
went end-of-sale two weeks ago:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/modules/ps2641/end_of_life_notice_c51-726696.html

... bringing to an end Cisco's proud history selling digital modem
systems, which began ingloriously with the AS5100, but which utlimately
achieved world domination via the triumph of the AS5300/AS5350/AS5400.

Aaro

(who is, weirdly enough, stuck as we speak on an interminable conference
call where a customer is troubleshooting V.34 modem calls.)

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On 8/21/2013 6:43 AM, jlewis@lewis.org (Jon Lewis) wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Eric Knudson wrote:
>
>> Doesn't he know that Dial is Dead(tm)? ;)
>
> Believe it or not, some people are still doing new dial-up gateway
> installations. It's a bit more complicated now as all of cisco's
> dedicated dial-up gateways have gone EOL...and you now have to piece
> together a dial-up gateway using a modular router and various modules
> rather than just order an AS5xxx of suitable size.
>
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Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn [ In reply to ]
Holy crap. I just helped a previous employer spec out a "patchwork cisco
NAS" using a router, PRI interface card, and DMMs a couple months ago.
AFAIK, they already have the gear by now. So, cisco is officially out of
the dial-up hardware business now?

Product Migration Options
There is no replacement available for the Cisco Digital Modem Modules at
this time.

On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Aaron Leonard wrote:

> Hopefully those people ordered their last digital modems before they went
> end-of-sale two weeks ago:
>
> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/modules/ps2641/end_of_life_notice_c51-726696.html
>
> ... bringing to an end Cisco's proud history selling digital modem systems,
> which began ingloriously with the AS5100, but which utlimately achieved world
> domination via the triumph of the AS5300/AS5350/AS5400.
>
> Aaro
>
> (who is, weirdly enough, stuck as we speak on an interminable conference call
> where a customer is troubleshooting V.34 modem calls.)
>
> ----
>
> On 8/21/2013 6:43 AM, jlewis@lewis.org (Jon Lewis) wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Eric Knudson wrote:
>>
>>> Doesn't he know that Dial is Dead(tm)? ;)
>>
>> Believe it or not, some people are still doing new dial-up gateway
>> installations. It's a bit more complicated now as all of cisco's
>> dedicated dial-up gateways have gone EOL...and you now have to piece
>> together a dial-up gateway using a modular router and various modules
>> rather than just order an AS5xxx of suitable size.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route
>> | therefore you are
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>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nas
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>

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Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn [ In reply to ]
> So, cisco is officially out of the dial-up hardware business now?
>
> Product Migration Options
> There is no replacement available for the Cisco Digital Modem Modules
> at this time.

'Fraid so, sorry if this comes as a shock to you.

The good news is that the PVDM2-DM modems don't hit Last Date of Support
till Aug. 31, 2018, so I still have to support your installation for
another 5 years (unless I retire first :-)

If I were consumed by the desire to bring up some kind of digital modem
bank at a customer site, I think I'd probably go onto eBay and buy a
couple hundred pounds of AS5300/AS5350/AS5400 hardware. Rack up half of
them, and mound up the other half to be used as spares.

AS5300 - 4CT1 - 96 MICA modems - street price $300

Seems to me that we ought somehow to hold a proper wake for Cisco's
digital modem business. And I guess for this list, which started life
as as5200 @ wwa.com ... then became cisco-nas @ external.cisco.com, then
moved to puck.nether.net. (Maybe I'm missing a hop in there.)

You can take a trip down memory lane via the archives at yahoo
(http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cisco-nas/) - you can see about 300
messages a day at the peak in Feb. '02, gradually trailing off till it
sank beneath the noise floor, somewhere in '06.

Cheers,

Aaron

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On 8/21/2013 1:36 PM, jlewis@lewis.org (Jon Lewis) wrote:
> Holy crap. I just helped a previous employer spec out a "patchwork cisco
> NAS" using a router, PRI interface card, and DMMs a couple months ago.
> AFAIK, they already have the gear by now.
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Aaron Leonard wrote:
>
>> Hopefully those people ordered their last digital modems before they went
>> end-of-sale two weeks ago:
>>
>> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/modules/ps2641/end_of_life_notice_c51-726696.html
>>
>> ... bringing to an end Cisco's proud history selling digital modem systems,
>> which began ingloriously with the AS5100, but which utlimately achieved world
>> domination via the triumph of the AS5300/AS5350/AS5400.
>>
>> Aaro
>>
>> (who is, weirdly enough, stuck as we speak on an interminable conference call
>> where a customer is troubleshooting V.34 modem calls.)
>>
>> ----
>>
>> On 8/21/2013 6:43 AM, jlewis@lewis.org (Jon Lewis) wrote:
>>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Eric Knudson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doesn't he know that Dial is Dead(tm)? ;)
>>>
>>> Believe it or not, some people are still doing new dial-up gateway
>>> installations. It's a bit more complicated now as all of cisco's
>>> dedicated dial-up gateways have gone EOL...and you now have to piece
>>> together a dial-up gateway using a modular router and various modules
>>> rather than just order an AS5xxx of suitable size.
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route
>>> | therefore you are
>>> _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> cisco-nas mailing list
>>> cisco-nas@puck.nether.net
>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nas
>>>
>>
>
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Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn [ In reply to ]
Aaron,

My prediction, You will be "modem whispering" way in the 2020!

I can see an action movie in this, where some old dialup equipment is
controlling a dam and hijackers have rigged it
A 2100hz tone will open the flood gatesŠ.Out of retirements comes Aaron
"modem whisper" Leonard.

The rest writes itself! :)

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On 8/21/13 2:58 PM, "Aaron Leonard (aaron)" <aaron@cisco.com> wrote:

> > So, cisco is officially out of the dial-up hardware business now?
> >
> > Product Migration Options
> > There is no replacement available for the Cisco Digital Modem Modules
> > at this time.
>
>'Fraid so, sorry if this comes as a shock to you.
>
>The good news is that the PVDM2-DM modems don't hit Last Date of Support
>till Aug. 31, 2018, so I still have to support your installation for
>another 5 years (unless I retire first :-)
>
>If I were consumed by the desire to bring up some kind of digital modem
>bank at a customer site, I think I'd probably go onto eBay and buy a
>couple hundred pounds of AS5300/AS5350/AS5400 hardware. Rack up half of
>them, and mound up the other half to be used as spares.
>
>AS5300 - 4CT1 - 96 MICA modems - street price $300
>
>Seems to me that we ought somehow to hold a proper wake for Cisco's
>digital modem business. And I guess for this list, which started life
>as as5200 @ wwa.com ... then became cisco-nas @ external.cisco.com, then
>moved to puck.nether.net. (Maybe I'm missing a hop in there.)
>
>You can take a trip down memory lane via the archives at yahoo
>(http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cisco-nas/) - you can see about 300
>messages a day at the peak in Feb. '02, gradually trailing off till it
>sank beneath the noise floor, somewhere in '06.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Aaron
>
>----
>
>On 8/21/2013 1:36 PM, jlewis@lewis.org (Jon Lewis) wrote:
>> Holy crap. I just helped a previous employer spec out a "patchwork
>>cisco
>> NAS" using a router, PRI interface card, and DMMs a couple months ago.
>> AFAIK, they already have the gear by now.
>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Aaron Leonard wrote:
>>
>>> Hopefully those people ordered their last digital modems before they
>>>went
>>> end-of-sale two weeks ago:
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/modules/ps2641/end_of_life_no
>>>tice_c51-726696.html
>>>
>>> ... bringing to an end Cisco's proud history selling digital modem
>>>systems,
>>> which began ingloriously with the AS5100, but which utlimately
>>>achieved world
>>> domination via the triumph of the AS5300/AS5350/AS5400.
>>>
>>> Aaro
>>>
>>> (who is, weirdly enough, stuck as we speak on an interminable
>>>conference call
>>> where a customer is troubleshooting V.34 modem calls.)
>>>
>>> ----
>>>
>>> On 8/21/2013 6:43 AM, jlewis@lewis.org (Jon Lewis) wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Eric Knudson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't he know that Dial is Dead(tm)? ;)
>>>>
>>>> Believe it or not, some people are still doing new dial-up gateway
>>>> installations. It's a bit more complicated now as all of cisco's
>>>> dedicated dial-up gateways have gone EOL...and you now have to piece
>>>> together a dial-up gateway using a modular router and various modules
>>>> rather than just order an AS5xxx of suitable size.
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route
>>>> | therefore you are
>>>> _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>
>>
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>> | therefore you are
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>>
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Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn [ In reply to ]
Maybe so, maybe so.

Nowadays I don't get to spend too much time in the 200Hz - 4kHz band ...
I'm usually up around 2.4 or 5GHz (i.e. 802.11) ... but it's pretty hard
to whistle a 2.437 GHz tone! So it is nice to check back into the
voiceband every once in a while.

Cheers,

Aaron

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On 8/21/2013 3:12 PM, dsladden@cisco.com (Darryl Sladden (dsladden)) wrote:
> Aaron,
>
> My prediction, You will be "modem whispering" way in the 2020!
>
> I can see an action movie in this, where some old dialup equipment is
> controlling a dam and hijackers have rigged it
> A 2100hz tone will open the flood gatesŠ.Out of retirements comes Aaron
> "modem whisper" Leonard.
>
> The rest writes itself! :)
>
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Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn [ In reply to ]
No way - far in the future, somewhere in xxxx-istan, there are hostages in an electronically locked cell and the only way to free them is to cross CTS to RTS to TX to RX to DSR to DTR and tunnel the serial data over an ip network to the NSA.

And there's only one man that can do it.

There's only one man that would dare to do it.

aaron@cisco

Hats off for all the years, regardless that you went wireless!

Regards,

Eric


On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:19 PM, Aaron Leonard <Aaron@cisco.com> wrote:

> Maybe so, maybe so.
>
> Nowadays I don't get to spend too much time in the 200Hz - 4kHz band ...
> I'm usually up around 2.4 or 5GHz (i.e. 802.11) ... but it's pretty hard to whistle a 2.437 GHz tone! So it is nice to check back into the voiceband every once in a while.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Aaron
>
> ----
>
> On 8/21/2013 3:12 PM, dsladden@cisco.com (Darryl Sladden (dsladden)) wrote:
>> Aaron,
>>
>> My prediction, You will be "modem whispering" way in the 2020!
>>
>> I can see an action movie in this, where some old dialup equipment is
>> controlling a dam and hijackers have rigged it
>> A 2100hz tone will open the flood gatesŠ.Out of retirements comes Aaron
>> "modem whisper" Leonard.
>>
>> The rest writes itself! :)
>>
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Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn [ In reply to ]
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Aaron Leonard wrote:

> If I were consumed by the desire to bring up some kind of digital modem bank
> at a customer site, I think I'd probably go onto eBay and buy a couple
> hundred pounds of AS5300/AS5350/AS5400 hardware. Rack up half of them, and
> mound up the other half to be used as spares.
>
> AS5300 - 4CT1 - 96 MICA modems - street price $300

I actually suggested that...because AS5300s can be had for nearly free,
but IIRC, IOS support ended some time ago and new/supported hardware was
called for.

> Seems to me that we ought somehow to hold a proper wake for Cisco's digital
> modem business. And I guess for this list, which started life as as5200 @
> wwa.com ... then became cisco-nas @ external.cisco.com, then moved to
> puck.nether.net. (Maybe I'm missing a hop in there.)

I was going to ask, at what point do we kill cisco-nas...but regardless of
EOL, I'm sure people will be using digital modems for many more
years...just fewer and fewer people.


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Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn [ In reply to ]
i hope this list never dies. we should setup some sort of cisco-wireless
one though(guess we never moved those other lists to puck). then we can
all bug aaron with all of our wireless problems...a thought anyway.

jd.

Thanks,
Josh Duffek
(713) 824-4064
jduffek@gmail.com


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Aaron Leonard wrote:
>
> If I were consumed by the desire to bring up some kind of digital modem
>> bank at a customer site, I think I'd probably go onto eBay and buy a couple
>> hundred pounds of AS5300/AS5350/AS5400 hardware. Rack up half of them, and
>> mound up the other half to be used as spares.
>>
>> AS5300 - 4CT1 - 96 MICA modems - street price $300
>>
>
> I actually suggested that...because AS5300s can be had for nearly free,
> but IIRC, IOS support ended some time ago and new/supported hardware was
> called for.
>
> Seems to me that we ought somehow to hold a proper wake for Cisco's
>> digital modem business. And I guess for this list, which started life as
>> as5200 @ wwa.com ... then became cisco-nas @ external.cisco.com, then
>> moved to puck.nether.net. (Maybe I'm missing a hop in there.)
>>
>
> I was going to ask, at what point do we kill cisco-nas...but regardless of
> EOL, I'm sure people will be using digital modems for many more
> years...just fewer and fewer people.
>
>
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